Is it time to drop Brady?

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Re: Is it time to drop Brady?

Post by Lancasterclaret » Sat Oct 14, 2017 10:53 pm

Thought he was ok, but no more than ok.

Certainly did some good things today (and I'd agree that he's being unfairly marked) but was he better than say, JBG in his second half performance?

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Re: Is it time to drop Brady?

Post by UpTheClaretsFCBK » Sat Oct 14, 2017 10:54 pm

Didnt have his best game today. However, he's one of our only match winners. He can change a game with one piece of magic. Dropping him would leave us very short of creative spark.

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Re: Is it time to drop Brady?

Post by UpTheClaretsFCBK » Sat Oct 14, 2017 10:56 pm

Also I would of played JBG today instead of Arfield. Scored two goals in the break and obviously full of confidence, looks unstoppable when he's in that mood.

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Re: Is it time to drop Brady?

Post by Iloveyoubrady » Sat Oct 14, 2017 10:57 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Thought he was ok, but no more than ok.

Certainly did some good things today (and I'd agree that he's being unfairly marked) but was he better than say, JBG in his second half performance?
No, JBG did well today and Brady had an off day, but people are now suggesting Brady should be dropped, after one bad day. I think he's been good this season, one of our best players, definitely shouldn't be dropped. Also, people groaning when he Makes mistakes cant help his confidence. They don't do it to arfield, who loses the ball just as much and creates less.

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Re: Is it time to drop Brady?

Post by Iloveyoubrady » Sat Oct 14, 2017 10:58 pm

UpTheClaretsFCBK wrote:Also I would of played JBG today instead of Arfield. Scored two goals in the break and obviously full of confidence, looks unstoppable when he's in that mood.
If there was ever a day when JBG and Brady were both on their game we could see a massacre. I think getting JBG for 2.5m was rediculously good business.

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Re: Is it time to drop Brady?

Post by Lancasterclaret » Sat Oct 14, 2017 11:01 pm

I'm not suggesting at all Brady should be dropped.

The one thing about this season that is ace is having options to replace players who are not doing well. We did that today and it paid off, and I'm sure we will do similar at City (but not sure it will pay off in the same way, but you never know!)

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Re: Is it time to drop Brady?

Post by Steve1956 » Sat Oct 14, 2017 11:03 pm

Iloveyoubrady wrote:If there was ever a day when JBG and Brady were both on their game we could see a massacre. I think getting JBG for 2.5m was rediculously good business.
We evened out that good business by paying over the odds for Brady.

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Re: Is it time to drop Brady?

Post by CrosspoolClarets » Sat Oct 14, 2017 11:06 pm

Very, very good player. I like him a lot. No to dropping him. His assist record is similar to Trippiers.

Terrible today though. Last week took too much out of him emotionally.

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Re: Is it time to drop Brady?

Post by Cirrus_Minor » Sat Oct 14, 2017 11:06 pm

Always seems to drop form after he plays for Ireland.

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Re: Is it time to drop Brady?

Post by Sidney1st » Sat Oct 14, 2017 11:08 pm

Saxoman wrote:This is the truth. Who's the best? De bruyne, Robben, Hazard maybe? I bet even they arent 'on it' every game.
Hazard has been getting slaughtered on the radio tonight whilst I was listening on my drive home.

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Re: Is it time to drop Brady?

Post by Burnleyareback2 » Sat Oct 14, 2017 11:36 pm

Carport wrote:Some good moments but overall free kicks and corner delivery has been average to poor and he’s just too careless with his passing for me to warrant a place in the team just now. Thoughts?
Nope

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Re: Is it time to drop Brady?

Post by IanMcL » Sun Oct 15, 2017 12:34 pm

We need Arfield next week for sure!

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Re: Is it time to drop Brady?

Post by Iloveyoubrady » Sun Oct 15, 2017 12:38 pm

IanMcL wrote:We need Arfield next week for sure!
For me Brady and Gudmundsson should play and arfield is a good utility player to play anywhere in the midfield

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Re: Is it time to drop Brady?

Post by ClaretTony » Sun Oct 15, 2017 12:52 pm

Cirrus_Minor wrote:Always seems to drop form after he plays for Ireland.
Brilliant ball through for what should have been a penalty - Brady at his best

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Re: Is it time to drop Brady?

Post by Im_not_Robbie_Blake » Sun Oct 15, 2017 12:54 pm

He's a good 'un!

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Re: Is it time to drop Brady?

Post by Rileybobs » Sun Oct 15, 2017 12:57 pm

I didn’t think he was that bad to be honest. Sure, a few things didn’t work out but that’s always going to be the case with a player like Brady. He works relentlessly and always looks to be positive. He played the ball of the game which should have resulted in a penalty and generally has been one of our most potent attacking threats this season. So to answer the OP, no, it’s definitely not time to drop him.

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Re: Is it time to drop Brady?

Post by Iloveyoubrady » Sun Oct 15, 2017 12:59 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Brilliant ball through for what should have been a penalty - Brady at his best
People overlook the fact he put two lovely through balls in yesterday and a couple of nice crosses and was often beating his man with the fact that he lost the ball a couple of times and hit a couple of bad corners... I don't think he even played badly yesterday.

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Re: Is it time to drop Brady?

Post by thatdberight » Sun Oct 15, 2017 1:01 pm

Yes if he plays like yesterday. It's not that he's not good enough for us, just not nearly as good as he thinks he is.

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Re: Is it time to drop Brady?

Post by Ziggy Stardust » Sun Oct 15, 2017 1:02 pm

daveisaclaret wrote:100% agree about Hendrick, we're taking him out of the game. Especially behind Wood because he's a much better finisher but doesn't support his midfield well.

We're 8 games into the season - Brady cannot be resting on his assist at Spurs. No way in hell Brady offers more creativity than Gudmondsson who hit the post and created our goal today.
Are all the other players on 1 assist also resting on that assist? Top tackler as well which shows his defensive input.

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Re: Is it time to drop Brady?

Post by ClaretTony » Sun Oct 15, 2017 1:03 pm

thatdberight wrote:Yes if he plays like yesterday. It's not that he's not good enough for us, just not nearly as good as he thinks he is.
Why? How good does he think he is?

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Re: Is it time to drop Brady?

Post by Iloveyoubrady » Sun Oct 15, 2017 1:16 pm

thatdberight wrote:Yes if he plays like yesterday. It's not that he's not good enough for us, just not nearly as good as he thinks he is.
He seems a decent guy. He is ambitious but that is because the things he tries come off quite often. He gets stuck in as well. I don't understand the reference to him thinking he is better than he is. He gets stuck in and tries really hard - not like players like arnoutavic(spelt wrong) who clearly rate them self and don't believe they need to get stuck in.

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Re: Is it time to drop Brady?

Post by bobinho » Sun Oct 15, 2017 1:53 pm

Wasn't particularly effective yesterday, and his corners have been poor. For a dead ball specialist, that's disappointing, but drop him?

Absolutely not. He can be a game changer. There is better to come from him, and with games will come consistency. Let him play I say.

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Re: Is it time to drop Brady?

Post by Top Claret » Sun Oct 15, 2017 2:39 pm

I would drop Hendrick before Brady. Hendrick played like he has been on the lash all week.
Hendrick never performs after an international break and should be rested in future, with Arfield filling his roll

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Re: Is it time to drop Brady?

Post by thatdberight » Sun Oct 15, 2017 2:49 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Why? How good does he think he is?
Based on some of the passes he tries, world class and then some. Like I say, it's not that I think he's rubbish.

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Re: Is it time to drop Brady?

Post by CoolClaret » Sun Oct 15, 2017 2:50 pm

Squawka wrote:This season Robbie Brady has made seven appearances in the English Premier League.
Robbie Brady has a Squawka rating of 3.5 stars out of 5 with a Performance Score of 33. His best game of the season was against Tottenham Hotspur where he earned a Performance Score of 37. His worst game this term was against Crystal Palace where he accrued a score of -40.
Robbie Brady, in the English Premier League, has scored no goals this season, creating 13 chances and one assist. Robbie Brady has completed 120 passes this season with a pass accuracy of 63%, of which 96% were forward passes.

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96% forward passes, dude is trying to influence the game... He's bound to lose the ball/not pull it off. However, I would like to see a couple more assists there.
He's getting better, just lacks concentration at times.

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Re: Is it time to drop Brady?

Post by Iloveyoubrady » Sun Oct 15, 2017 3:03 pm

CoolClaret wrote:96% forward passes, dude is trying to influence the game... He's bound to lose the ball/not pull it off. However, I would like to see a couple more assists there.
He's getting better, just lacks concentration at times.
Spot on. Also chance creation is much higher than anyone else in the team. I believe second highest is 4, he has 13
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Re: Is it time to drop Brady?

Post by TheOriginalLongsider » Sun Oct 15, 2017 3:12 pm

I wouldn’t drop him unless we have someone to replace him. He’s creative but he’s very frustrating. He forever gives the ball away. Needs to improve.

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Re: Is it time to drop Brady?

Post by CoolClaret » Sun Oct 15, 2017 3:25 pm

We get criticised if we attempt slow build up play to "GET IT FORWARD BURNLEY" then get criticised for players losing the ball trying to play adventurous passes- which is it going to be?

We either retain possession at times and pass it 'sideways' or we risk it, play it forward and lose the ball.... If all we did was play forward passes, get it forward and never gave the ball away then we'd either: win 10+ - 0 every game/the opposition goalkeeper would make 10+ saves every week/we'd have a ridiculous amount of chances off target every game...

It isn't a game of FIFA

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Re: Is it time to drop Brady?

Post by Rileybobs » Sun Oct 15, 2017 3:55 pm

thatdberight wrote:Based on some of the passes he tries, world class and then some. Like I say, it's not that I think he's rubbish.
Like the world class pass through to Wood for our equaliser against Spurs, or the world class cross field pass to Ward leading to our winner against Everton, or the disguised slide-rule, defence splitting pass through to Wood which resulted in Hart bringing him down in the box?
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Re: Is it time to drop Brady?

Post by Vegas Claret » Sun Oct 15, 2017 4:09 pm

Marko Arnautovic cost West Ham 25 million and I would say Brady has been far better value in the PL.

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Re: Is it time to drop Brady?

Post by Stayingup » Sun Oct 15, 2017 4:17 pm

I think all our Irish contingent were off the pace yesterday to varying degrees.

Wood looked ok after his epic journey to the other side of the world. As for Arfield it wasn't his type of game really.

Pity they scored through bad judgement but these things happen.

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Re: Is it time to drop Brady?

Post by Vegas Claret » Sun Oct 15, 2017 4:26 pm

same points as the Champions

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Re: Is it time to drop Brady?

Post by Croydon Claret » Sun Oct 15, 2017 4:32 pm

Brady is a bit like Glen Little. Intermittently turns on the good stuff but we'll worth the wait for when it happens as he's a game changer.

Has to be in the team

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Re: Is it time to drop Brady?

Post by midlander63 » Sun Oct 15, 2017 8:37 pm

Definitely the most frustrating player for Burnley right now. I really want him to succeed because Burnley need a player like him and what he brings but, in a team that's consistently greater than the sum of its parts he stands out as the one player who isn't pulling his weight.
Obviously there's a good player in there but there's too many sloppy passes and unnecessary mistakes. I'm a bit surprised he gets away with it in a team managed by Sean Dyche.
He needs a rocket up his a**e! I think a period starting on the bench would do him some good and make him realise he needs to do something to earn that shirt!

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Re: Is it time to drop Brady?

Post by Iloveyoubrady » Sun Oct 15, 2017 9:09 pm

midlander63 wrote:Definitely the most frustrating player for Burnley right now. I really want him to succeed because Burnley need a player like him and what he brings but, in a team that's consistently greater than the sum of its parts he stands out as the one player who isn't pulling his weight.
Obviously there's a good player in there but there's too many sloppy passes and unnecessary mistakes. I'm a bit surprised he gets away with it in a team managed by Sean Dyche.
He needs a rocket up his a**e! I think a period starting on the bench would do him some good and make him realise he needs to do something to earn that shirt!
I agree there is a good player in there but I think he is definitely pulling his weight. He tries really hard and is defensively improving and has created 4 times as many chances as any other Burnley player. I don't know if we can afford starting him on the bench, who else would create those chances. Anyway, a run in the team could bring the consistency he is lacking. I understand that if he was consistently as brilliant as he sometimes is he would be playing for a bigger club. But he can definitely improve his short passing quite a lot before he is the next Ronaldo!

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Re: Is it time to drop Brady?

Post by boiledclaret » Sun Oct 15, 2017 10:26 pm

Rileybobs wrote:Like the world class pass through to Wood for our equaliser against Spurs, or the world class cross field pass to Ward leading to our winner against Everton, or the disguised slide-rule, defence splitting pass through to Wood which resulted in Hart bringing him down in the box?
That pass to Ward vs Everton was what we were lacking away last season. Saw it early and put them under pressure. Admittedly if it doesn't come off it gets a jeer from the crowd but he does have decent vision and confidence to hit passes like that.

Despite the inconsistency he'll pay back his price tag, for sure.

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Re: Is it time to drop Brady?

Post by RalphCoatesComb » Mon Oct 16, 2017 12:08 pm

No way. He’s a potential match winner every game.

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Re: Is it time to drop Brady?

Post by lucs86 » Mon Oct 16, 2017 1:00 pm

He won't be dropped and nor should he be. We'll get nowhere (in terms of scoring goals) without a player trying the stuff Brady tries. He isn't De Bruyne, a small amount of what he tries will come off, most of it won't, when it doesn't he works hard to get the ball back, you can't ask for much more.

He's given the ball away in bad areas with some poor short passes in previous games and we paid a fair bit for him, some fans have got the blinkers on now and are picking him out for criticism now regardless of whether he's been effective or not. It'll be like this every game he doesn't score or get an assist.

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Re: Is it time to drop Brady?

Post by SalisburyClaret » Mon Oct 16, 2017 1:19 pm

He's at the heart of nearly every good move we make - some of it doesn't come off - some of it does. Many of our goals this season have come from when it does come off

So let's drop him - and that Wood bloke, sometimes he doesn't score from his headers, Mee and Tarka don't win every header and as for Defour bloke, he misplaced a pass yesterday. So let's drop the lot of them.

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Re: Is it time to drop Brady?

Post by IWOODLOVETT » Mon Oct 16, 2017 1:23 pm

I think that Gudmondsson might get the nod against City based purely on his better defensive work and ball retention. Personally I would like them both on the pitch at the same time to give us a real threat from both flanks.

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Re: Is it time to drop Brady?

Post by Iloveyoubrady » Mon Oct 16, 2017 1:31 pm

IWOODLOVETT wrote:I think that Gudmondsson might get the nod against City based purely on his better defensive work and ball retention. Personally I would like them both on the pitch at the same time to give us a real threat from both flanks.
I think the left wing is Brady's for now and arfield and Gudmundsson will fight for the other side. I would like to see Brady and Gudmundsson start for counter attacking threat. I don't understand the better defensive work comment because Brady has been excellent defensively this year. He gives the ball away sometimes, but if he never gave the ball away fans would be getting angry at him for a negative, back and sideways approach.
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Re: Is it time to drop Brady?

Post by summitclaret » Mon Oct 16, 2017 1:34 pm

I am still amazed that Brady is not being tried behind Wood. This would give him a freer role and he would be able to take more risks. This is of course until we sign a proper nr 10 (This is NOT) Wells.

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Re: Is it time to drop Brady?

Post by Iloveyoubrady » Mon Oct 16, 2017 1:39 pm

summitclaret wrote:I am still amazed that Brady is not being tried behind Wood. This would give him a freer role and he would be able to take more risks. This is of course until we sign a proper nr 10 (This is NOT) Wells.
Brady or Gudmundsson (who has experience there) could be great at No 10. Wells is not a number 10 at all. He is a pacey stricker who can play wide. I'd have Gudmundsson at 10 because he is (other than last game) not as effective as Brady on the right hand side where he cuts back all of the time and probably doesn't get back as well. Against a team like City next weekend we could play 4411 with the 1 behind the stricker rotating and being able to roam.

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Re: Is it time to drop Brady?

Post by hampsteadclaret » Mon Oct 16, 2017 1:42 pm

No.
He's one of our best players.
He has vision and initiative and plays some excellent long passes...any free kick within 30 yards has a fair chance of smacking the net...who else will do the creating? He played a big game in midweek...

Take a look at the PL table.
We have lost one match..that was 0-1.

- seems like some Burnley fans always need a player to moan about..there have been many of them, most recently Jones then Boyd...now it looks like it's Brady's turn ( sometimes Lowton or the Iceland lad)...pack the groaning in and support the eleven on the pitch...it's not complicated.
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Re: Is it time to drop Brady?

Post by Iloveyoubrady » Mon Oct 16, 2017 1:45 pm

hampsteadclaret wrote:No.
He's one of our best players.
He has vision and initiative and plays some excellent long passes...any free kick within 30 yards has a fair chance of smacking the net...who else will do the creating? He played a big game in midweek...

Take a look at the PL table.
We have lost one match..that was 0-1.

- seems like some Burnley fans always need a player to moan about..there have been many of them, most recently Jones then Boyd...now it looks like it's Brady's turn ( sometimes Lowton or the Iceland lad)...pack the groaning in and support the eleven on the pitch...it's not complicated.
Spot on. A player like Brady does well with confidence and when the crowd groan at him he won't have as much.

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Re: Is it time to drop Brady?

Post by alwaysaclaret » Mon Oct 16, 2017 3:32 pm

Flatters to deceive for me, yes does have the odd moment of magic but gives the ball away far too cheaply and often, was very poor imo on Saturday and needs to redeem himself against city, to be honest I'm still puzzled why arfield was off and Brady stayed on on Saturday arfield has been one of our best performers so far this season and he's likely to pop up with a goal which we needed Saturday.

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Re: Is it time to drop Brady?

Post by Woodleyclaret » Mon Oct 16, 2017 3:42 pm

Robbie Brady is a game changer as is Johann.We play one on the left ,Robbie and one on the right Johann.
Two up front and we can terrorise most teams.
Why on earth Robbie gets a right wing spot is beyond me.
Drop him .a crazy idea.Who would you pick.Scott Arfield or even stranger Sean Marney?

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Re: Is it time to drop Brady?

Post by jrgbfc » Mon Oct 16, 2017 3:49 pm

If the alternative is Arfield definitely not.

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Re: Is it time to drop Brady?

Post by Iloveyoubrady » Mon Oct 16, 2017 4:04 pm

Woodleyclaret wrote:Robbie Brady is a game changer as is Johann.We play one on the left ,Robbie and one on the right Johann.
Two up front and we can terrorise most teams.
Why on earth Robbie gets a right wing spot is beyond me.
Drop him .a crazy idea.Who would you pick.Scott Arfield or even stranger Sean Marney?
True. Especially as we play a 5 man midfield we can defensively afford attacking wingers.

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Re: Is it time to drop Brady?

Post by superdimitri » Mon Oct 16, 2017 4:53 pm

Brady is that annoyingly good kid at school you used to play with, doesn't take the game very seriously, costs you points but capable of bits of magic where you can't help but awe at his ability.

He is basically the opposite of Arfield.

Whilst I agree its frustrating that he has a lack of concentration sometimes, you can't not have him in the team just because he is a game changer.

We have kept far poorer players in our team over the years for worse reasons, not to mention he is our set piece taker.

The team will practice set pieces in training, including different preset variations and balls in the box. Its absolutely integral for that alone that you keep with the same taker if you can.

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