It gives me no pleasure to pick Michael Keane as our match winner
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It gives me no pleasure to pick Michael Keane as our match winner
For both of our goals, MK was at fault and had a torrid day against Ash today.
I did want to see him do well when he left us but it is now clear that MK isn't the player that he was without Ben Mee.
I did want to see him do well when he left us but it is now clear that MK isn't the player that he was without Ben Mee.
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Re: If gives me no pleasure to pick Michael Keane as our match winner
How on earth was he at fault for the second. Pickford or Williams take your pick
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Re: If gives me no pleasure to pick Michael Keane as our match winner
Thought he was one of their best players, him and Walcott
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Thought he did well, won a lot in the air. Not sure he can be blamed for our goals. Great lad for us. I wish him well for the future.
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Re: If gives me no pleasure to pick Michael Keane as our match winner
For our first goal, Ashley Barnes got behind Michael Keane before lashing the ball in.claretcarrot93 wrote:How on earth was he at fault for the second. Pickford or Williams take your pick
For the second, Chris Wood was marked by (guess who) Michael Keane. Yes, Pickford should have done better for both goals but, Ben Mee or Tarks would not have allowed those two chances.
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Re: If gives me no pleasure to pick Michael Keane as our match winner
No he wasn't - it was Williams who lost Wood completely.RalphCoatesComb wrote:For the second, Chris Wood was marked by (guess who) Michael Keane.
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Re: If gives me no pleasure to pick Michael Keane as our match winner
Keane didn't have a bad game for them.
But Woody did him today!
He left us for a club in temporary disarray. He's class, and will come good again.
We've also two CBs just as good though, still playing for us.
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Re: If gives me no pleasure to pick Michael Keane as our match winner
Thought MK did ok, but Ashley Barnes did a real number on him.
Excellent work by Ash.
Excellent work by Ash.
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Re: If gives me no pleasure to pick Michael Keane as our match winner
Picture above is mk trying to retrieve the situation after Williams completely lost wood who he didn’t go goal side of. A lot of mks season has been trying to cover whichever hapless cb partner he has that game. Did well today.
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Re: If gives me no pleasure to pick Michael Keane as our match winner
He did.ElectroClaret wrote:Thought MK did ok, but Ashley Barnes did a real number on him.
Excellent work by Ash.
Goal apart, Ash had a cracking game today.
It's been said often, but he must be one of the most annoying forwards in the Prem to play against!
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Re: If gives me no pleasure to pick Michael Keane as our match winner
first goal was a world class pass that would have been purred about if de bruyne had done and rightly so. 2nd goal he was covering for his pathetic team mates. he is wasted at everton right now and hope his confidence doesnt suffer because of his team mates short comings.
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Re: If gives me no pleasure to pick Michael Keane as our match winner
A few comments from a Toffees forum...ClaretTony wrote:No he wasn't - it was Williams who lost Wood completely.
"Keane made Barnes look like usain bolt"
"Keane looks like, no is, a scared rabbit. Get him off"
"I find it interesting how Dyche has targetted Keane. It' like he has known how to expose him and done so easily"
"Keane needs an extended period out of this side"
Following our 2nd Goal
"I saw that coming. We're terrible at defending. Keane lost his man again... f**k him"
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Re: If gives me no pleasure to pick Michael Keane as our match winner
RalphCoatesComb wrote:A few comments from a Toffees forum...
"Keane made Barnes look like usain bolt"
"Keane looks like, no is, a scared rabbit. Get him off"
"I find it interesting how Dyche has targetted Keane. It' like he has known how to expose him and done so easily"
"Keane needs an extended period out of this side". He was poor today but not at fault for the second goal
Following our 2nd Goal. He did not play particularly well but he is in no way shape or form at fault for the second goal.
"I saw that coming. We're terrible at defending. Keane lost his man again... f**k him"
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Re: If gives me no pleasure to pick Michael Keane as our match winner
No doubts that Keane has a vulnerability in the air at set pieces, he has improved since but I still wake up with palpitations dreaming of Smalling dominating him at Old Trafford to win after we were the better side. No doubts Dyche targeted him today, He is a Rolls Royce of course, but when you target a Rolls you think of the thing it can’t do, even a Rolls has some.
I felt his fault for the first goal was to do with the Allardyce way of leaving a huge gap between CB and FB - we targeted that relentlessly.
In many ways, Dyche came of age today.
I felt his fault for the first goal was to do with the Allardyce way of leaving a huge gap between CB and FB - we targeted that relentlessly.
In many ways, Dyche came of age today.
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Re: If gives me no pleasure to pick Michael Keane as our match winner
Quite true, a Rolls is terrible on cornersCrosspoolClarets wrote:No doubts that Keane has a vulnerability in the air at set pieces, he has improved since but I still wake up with palpitations dreaming of Smalling dominating him at Old Trafford to win after we were the better side. No doubts Dyche targeted him today, He is a Rolls Royce of course, but when you target a Rolls you think of the thing it can’t do, even a Rolls has some.
I felt his fault for the first goal was to do with the Allardyce way of leaving a huge gap between CB and FB - we targeted that relentlessly.
In many ways, Dyche came of age today.
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Re: If gives me no pleasure to pick Michael Keane as our match winner
How could Michael Keane go from the player we and England had to that shadow?
It's not just today, it's every time I see him at Everton.
Have to feel for him having to play alongside Williams, whose career is done, and there is zero midfield cover in front of him. Sign him up.
It's not just today, it's every time I see him at Everton.
Have to feel for him having to play alongside Williams, whose career is done, and there is zero midfield cover in front of him. Sign him up.
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Re: If gives me no pleasure to pick Michael Keane as our match winner
Hope MK does well and prospers in his career, but what a great
bit of business by the club.
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bit of business by the club.
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Re: If gives me no pleasure to pick Michael Keane as our match winner
[quote="piston broke"]How could Michael Keane go from the player we and England had to that shadow?
It's not just today, it's every time I see him at Everton.
Two words: Ashley Williams, one of the worst ever PL defenders
It's not just today, it's every time I see him at Everton.
Two words: Ashley Williams, one of the worst ever PL defenders
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Re: If gives me no pleasure to pick Michael Keane as our match winner
[quote="Belgianclaret"][/quote] (plus not being alongside Ben Mee)
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Re: If gives me no pleasure to pick Michael Keane as our match winner
two reasons:piston broke wrote:How could Michael Keane go from the player we and England had to that shadow?
he gets no cover from midfield and everton are playing him on the left to accomodate ashley williams, just as we did with duff.
keane is a right sided centre half and he's half the player when he's on the left.
that said, he was one of everton's better players today, first half especially, and he can't be blamed for either goal; first one is just a fantastic ball and second one, williams leaves wood to get the run on the ball.
he's still an excellent centre half but he's playing slightly out of position in a poor team.
Re: If gives me no pleasure to pick Michael Keane as our match winner
Yes was great for us, he could have stayed, he didn't and was sad to see him go.
If for the money or to better his career or both, now not looking good enough for England and confidence must be down if the Everton fans are on his back.
Ah well never mind.
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If for the money or to better his career or both, now not looking good enough for England and confidence must be down if the Everton fans are on his back.
Ah well never mind.
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Re: If gives me no pleasure to pick Michael Keane as our match winner
The still picture on this thread doesn't show what happened - Williams is the player who lost Wood.
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Re: If gives me no pleasure to pick Michael Keane as our match winner
Everton fans hate him with a passion sadly.
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Re: If gives me no pleasure to pick Michael Keane as our match winner
Keane somewhat at fault for first goal. Thought Pickford Was more at fault though. Though it was a good ball Barnes picked the ball up deep in their box. I would have been disappointed if pope stayed on his line in that situation. Pickford could have come and got that if he had been more aware and in a better starting position. Pope is very good at positioning himself well. Not Keanes fault for the second goal. Keane is stugging due to lack of midfield protection and poor defensive partner. Williams was a good player but his legs have gone. Overall didn't think Keane had a bad game.
Re: If gives me no pleasure to pick Michael Keane as our match winner
Thought he was their best player in first half but struggled in second once we had 2 up front. Having said that I could probably mark Hendrick !
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Re: If gives me no pleasure to pick Michael Keane as our match winner
Maybe you could argue he was partially responsible for both, but for the first there was abysmal positioning by Pickford and for the second Pickford and Williams made schoolboy errors in marking (Pickford got distracted by Ward and Williams pointed at Wood but then completely lost sight of him.)RalphCoatesComb wrote:For both of our goals, MK was at fault and had a torrid day against Ash today.
I did want to see him do well when he left us but it is now clear that MK isn't the player that he was without Ben Mee.
Sky Pundits both thought Pickford was at fault in both and Williams with the second.
I know Big Sam blamed Williams and Keane rather than Pickford.
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Re: If gives me no pleasure to pick Michael Keane as our match winner
Depends if you listen to fans or former footballers who you blame.RalphCoatesComb wrote:A few comments from a Toffees forum...
"Keane made Barnes look like usain bolt"
"Keane looks like, no is, a scared rabbit. Get him off"
"I find it interesting how Dyche has targetted Keane. It' like he has known how to expose him and done so easily"
"Keane needs an extended period out of this side"
Following our 2nd Goal
"I saw that coming. We're terrible at defending. Keane lost his man again... f**k him"
But Ederson showed Pickford how to do it in a similar situation against Arsenal - you don't retreat. He was on the edge of the area seconds before Lowton's pass and decided to retreat leaving a huge space for Barnes that wouldn't have been there if he was doing what he should have done.
Re: If gives me no pleasure to pick Michael Keane as our match winner
I thought Keane looked ok today too. Ashley Williams on the other hand looked awful. And overweight. I also breathed a big sigh of relief when they took off the young midfielder with the ladies hair style and replaced him with Rooney.
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Re: If gives me no pleasure to pick Michael Keane as our match winner
What surprised me was not reading how poor they think he’s playing but how slow he is. I was shocked as the Keane I remember has pace to burn. Not seen today game was he slow?
Re: If gives me no pleasure to pick Michael Keane as our match winner
Pickford and Williams the culprits for youemr goals. However, I prefer to say Barnes and Wood were our heroes for the goals.
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Re: If gives me no pleasure to pick Michael Keane as our match winner
As much as I loved having MK as a Claret..... I have to say his overall performance today was I think pretty poor. His distribution was really bad, and Barnes made life very difficult for him. OK he may not have been helped with his defensive partner but I think the problem was more than that.
The confident MK that graced Turf Moor didn't turn up today.
This afternoon the 2 centre backs that would have impressed the watching Southgate, were wearing Claret shirts
The confident MK that graced Turf Moor didn't turn up today.
This afternoon the 2 centre backs that would have impressed the watching Southgate, were wearing Claret shirts
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Re: If gives me no pleasure to pick Michael Keane as our match winner
I don’t know what Everton we’re trying to do for the second goal. They were all lined up on the six-yard line seemingly unconcerned that Wood was goal side. Williams was nearest, but neither he nor Keane had any chance of recovering when the ball came in.
To be fair, they have a right to expect their keeper to deal with it 3 yards out, but he was too busy wrestling with Ward.
To be fair, they have a right to expect their keeper to deal with it 3 yards out, but he was too busy wrestling with Ward.
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Re: If gives me no pleasure to pick Michael Keane as our match winner
Ye but like we said,mee nursed him like he is nursing tarks,but both could go to the world cup.Keanes chances are nil though now no longer a claret.Jeffbfc wrote:Yes was great for us, he could have stayed, he didn't and was sad to see him go.
If for the money or to better his career or both, now not looking good enough for England and confidence must be down if the Everton fans are on his back.
Ah well never mind.
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Re: If gives me no pleasure to pick Michael Keane as our match winner
My point exactly !turfytopper wrote:The confident MK that graced Turf Moor didn't turn up today.
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Re: If gives me no pleasure to pick Michael Keane as our match winner
Probably should have said that in the first place then.RalphCoatesComb wrote:My point exactly !
Instead you've blamed him for a goal where his left back had gone AWOL and his goalie didn't get out of his 6 yard box.
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Re: If gives me no pleasure to pick Michael Keane as our match winner
It was Williams who lost his man for the second goal as CT said.RalphCoatesComb wrote:A few comments from a Toffees forum...
"Keane made Barnes look like usain bolt"
"Keane looks like, no is, a scared rabbit. Get him off"
"I find it interesting how Dyche has targetted Keane. It' like he has known how to expose him and done so easily"
"Keane needs an extended period out of this side"
Following our 2nd Goal
"I saw that coming. We're terrible at defending. Keane lost his man again... f**k him"
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Re: If gives me no pleasure to pick Michael Keane as our match winner
I'll get my hair shirt and start self-flagellation immediatelyBin Ont Turf wrote:Probably should have said that in the first place then.
Instead you've blamed him for a goal where his left back had gone AWOL and his goalie didn't get out of his 6 yard box.
I was reporting as I saw it and the photo above does show my memory isn't all that bad
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Re: If gives me no pleasure to pick Michael Keane as our match winner
I was actually referring to the first goal.RalphCoatesComb wrote:
I was reporting as I saw it and the photo above does show my memory isn't all that bad
I have heard on good authority that Williams was marking Wood and completely lost him for the second goal (someone trustworthy watching in the pub).
You can barely see Williams in the photo and Pickford should be making a claim for it anyway.
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Re: If gives me no pleasure to pick Michael Keane as our match winner
I was in line with Pickford and thought why the flock didn't he claim that?Bin Ont Turf wrote:Pickford should be making a claim for it anyway.
Good work Stephen Ward !
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Re: If gives me no pleasure to pick Michael Keane as our match winner
He's a decent goalie Ralph but you could put partial blame on him for our two goals today.
He could do with a few weeks working with Billy Mercer.
He could do with a few weeks working with Billy Mercer.
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Re: If gives me no pleasure to pick Michael Keane as our match winner
At one point in the second half MK thought he still played for us he keep passing the ball to our midfield players.
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Re: If gives me no pleasure to pick Michael Keane as our match winner
He made a few decent saves yesterday but BFS wouldn't have been impressed with the two goals.Bin Ont Turf wrote:He could do with a few weeks working with Billy Mercer.
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Just thought that I'd add that evertons left back was as bad, if not worse, than Williams yesterday. there's a big difference in playing between mee and lowton on your better side than playing between worn out Williams and a consistent''ly out of position left back who gives the ball away in daft places on the pitch.
Keane didn't play well yesterday but hes on a hiding to nothing until Baines is back.
Keane didn't play well yesterday but hes on a hiding to nothing until Baines is back.
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Re: If gives me no pleasure to pick Michael Keane as our match winner
or the first.claretcarrot93 wrote:How on earth was he at fault for the second. Pickford or Williams take your pick
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Haven't seen it back yet but at the time I thought his positioning wasn't great getting the wrong side of Barnes. But to be fair the pass by Lowton was superb.Imploding Turtle wrote:or the first.
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Re: If gives me no pleasure to pick Michael Keane as our match winner
I thought Barnes gave him a really uncomfortable afternoon.
Real shame to see him like that. Everton has proven a poor move in the end. Reputations take time to build and Keane is going to have put in a year or two of good performances to get back to where he was when he left us.
Chances are he might have gone to the World Cup if he’d still been at Burnley. That dream is over for him this time around.
Real shame to see him like that. Everton has proven a poor move in the end. Reputations take time to build and Keane is going to have put in a year or two of good performances to get back to where he was when he left us.
Chances are he might have gone to the World Cup if he’d still been at Burnley. That dream is over for him this time around.
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Re: If gives me no pleasure to pick Michael Keane as our match winner
He was good enough to command a £25/£30m fee
If he was still with us in the current team and current position in the table he would be an even better centre half and probably a cert for the World Cup. Put it down to confidence and bad management since his move
If he was still with us in the current team and current position in the table he would be an even better centre half and probably a cert for the World Cup. Put it down to confidence and bad management since his move
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Re: If gives me no pleasure to pick Michael Keane as our match winner
If I remember rightly, MK was in the Man Utd side that got stuffed in the cup at Milton Keynes.
Judging by yesterdays game he obviously just needs to be in a team with a decent defensive coach and someone to manage them. Where would he find that though ?
Judging by yesterdays game he obviously just needs to be in a team with a decent defensive coach and someone to manage them. Where would he find that though ?
Re: If gives me no pleasure to pick Michael Keane as our match winner
Alladyche has blamed both Keane and Williams for the first goal. And no doubt Keane and Pickford to blame for second.
Keane looked like the player who joined Burnley and not the player who left.
Keane looked like the player who joined Burnley and not the player who left.
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Don't see how Keane can be blamed for the second. Williams clearly at fault - terrible positioning and marking.Papabendi wrote:Alladyche has blamed both Keane and Williams for the first goal. And no doubt Keane and Pickford to blame for second.
Keane looked like the player who joined Burnley and not the player who left.