Where does the North stop being the North?
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Where does the North stop being the North?
I was having a conversation with a few people yesterday.
One couple were from Lincoln, another couple from Macclesfield and then two men from Chesterfield.
What interested me is that one of the men from Chesterfield considered himself Northern, whilst the other said he was from the East Midlands?
Given that Chesterfield is about 11 miles south of Sheffield, and I would consider Sheffield as being North as a Northern town gets (spiritually, not geographically) it surprised me how close everything is.
If you look on a map, and draw a horizontal line through Chesterfield. It virtually cuts through, Macclesfield, Lincoln and Northwich. With Chester just a little bit further south.
Macclesfield and Northwich are Northern towns in my opinion, as is Chester. Lincoln I’m less sure about.
Anyway, where does the North stop being the North and become some part of the Midlands?
Is there an actual point?
One couple were from Lincoln, another couple from Macclesfield and then two men from Chesterfield.
What interested me is that one of the men from Chesterfield considered himself Northern, whilst the other said he was from the East Midlands?
Given that Chesterfield is about 11 miles south of Sheffield, and I would consider Sheffield as being North as a Northern town gets (spiritually, not geographically) it surprised me how close everything is.
If you look on a map, and draw a horizontal line through Chesterfield. It virtually cuts through, Macclesfield, Lincoln and Northwich. With Chester just a little bit further south.
Macclesfield and Northwich are Northern towns in my opinion, as is Chester. Lincoln I’m less sure about.
Anyway, where does the North stop being the North and become some part of the Midlands?
Is there an actual point?
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Re: Where does the North stop being the North?
When you consider it from the south, anything past Watford is northern... so that’s Burnley twice yesterday
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Re: Where does the North stop being the North?
It's where tea becomes dinner and dinner becomes lunch.
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Re: Where does the North stop being the North?
South of Manchester is south to me.
Being northern isn’t about geography though.
Being northern isn’t about geography though.
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Re: Where does the North stop being the North?
Stuart Maconie has written a book about it. Pies and Prejudice. It’s an entertaining read.
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Re: Where does the North stop being the North?
Surely, you can always keep going north? And you can always keep going south?
Re: Where does the North stop being the North?
Lancashire and Yorkshire up.
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Re: Where does the North stop being the North?
Where they stop serving gravy in their chippy.
Where they stop saying thank you to bus drivers.
Where they stop saying thank you to bus drivers.
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Re: Where does the North stop being the North?
Spot on that, I hadn't had Tea for 46 years until I moved back in Dec 2016.john'sroseyspecs wrote:It's where tea becomes dinner and dinner becomes lunch.
I still can't bring myself to call lunch dinner though
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Re: Where does the North stop being the North?
If you carried on going north in a straight line then you would reach the North Pole (wherever you start from). However if you carried on along that straight line you would then be heading south!FreddyK wrote:Surely, you can always keep going north? And you can always keep going south?
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Actually.. I've just read up. The Earth isn't an exact circle. So you wouldn't end up in the same place if you kept going north or south.bfcmik wrote:If you carried on going north in a straight line then you would reach the North Pole (wherever you start from). However if you carried on along that straight line you would then be heading south!
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Re: Where does the North stop being the North?
Read Stuart Maconie's book 'Pies and Prejudice'. Sums up 'the North' perfectly and it's not just about the geography.
Re: Where does the North stop being the North?
Anywhere south of Winterfell
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Re: Where does the North stop being the North?
Whether you headed geographically north/south or magnetically north/south then you would end up exactly where you started from as long as you continued in a straight line (just knackered after the 25-26k miles!). After all, the lines of longitude all manage to meet in the same 2 places i.e. the North and South PolesFreddyK wrote:Actually.. I've just read up. The Earth isn't an exact circle. So you wouldn't end up in the same place if you kept going north or south.
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Re: Where does the North stop being the North?
Only part true I think. It as much of a class thing as a regional thing to call the evening meal "tea". I know Londoners who call it tea as well. Generally ones brought up in the East End.john'sroseyspecs wrote:It's where tea becomes dinner and dinner becomes lunch.
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Re: Where does the North stop being the North?
If we’re talking south of Manchester, that includes Liverpool, Rotherham and Sheffield? So I'd have to disagree.bobinho wrote:South of Manchester is south to me.
Being northern isn’t about geography though.
But I do agree with your point about not being just geographical. Harrogate for example is clearly a Southern Town.
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Re: Where does the North stop being the North?
Stand at the North Pole, and whichever way you travel, you will be going south.
Vice versa at tother end.
Vice versa at tother end.
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Re: Where does the North stop being the North?
At the Neck. And if you believe Jon then also at the Wall.
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Re: Where does the North stop being the North?
If you'd had a skinful the earth not being an exact circle can be ignored.FreddyK wrote:Actually.. I've just read up. The Earth isn't an exact circle. So you wouldn't end up in the same place if you kept going north or south.
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Re: Where does the North stop being the North?
FreddyK wrote:Actually.. I've just read up. The Earth isn't an exact circle. So you wouldn't end up in the same place if you kept going north or south.
No. Of course not. You'd fall off.
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Re: Where does the North stop being the North?
When they stop adding an extra R to certain words.
Bath - Barth
Grass - Grarss
Moustache is pronounced Mous-tosh down here aswell for some strange reason.
Even though they admit the shortened version is tash...
Bath - Barth
Grass - Grarss
Moustache is pronounced Mous-tosh down here aswell for some strange reason.
Even though they admit the shortened version is tash...
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Re: Where does the North stop being the North?
there was a recent programme about this, seemingly there is a dividing line from humber estuary to the bristol channel which roughly splits north from south. the divisions take into account wealth, health, work, housing, dialects, speech patterns, farming and industry.
it has solid basis historically too dating back to iron age and beyond.
it has solid basis historically too dating back to iron age and beyond.
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Re: Where does the North stop being the North?
South of the M62 and you aren't a northerner
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Re: Where does the North stop being the North?
Manchester..?Top Claret wrote:South of the M62 and you aren't a northerner
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Re: Where does the North stop being the North?
Prestwich is in the Midlands and Whitefield is in the NorthTranspennine wrote:Manchester..?
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Re: Where does the North stop being the North?
Fair enough, can't argue with that, and Didsbury is clearly in the home counties...Top Claret wrote:Prestwich is in the Midlands and Whitefield is in the North
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Re: Where does the North stop being the North?
Between the Raistrick Greave and Reaps Cross legend has it.
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Re: Where does the North stop being the North?
Where folk get you to say certain words and then all fall about laughing at the correct way to say said word.
Also, when adding gravy to a dinner becomes a spectacle, nay revelation to the locals.
Also, when adding gravy to a dinner becomes a spectacle, nay revelation to the locals.
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Re: Where does the North stop being the North?
When you stop seeing dry stone walls.
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Re: Where does the North stop being the North?
Cheshire is in The South.
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Re: Where does the North stop being the North?
When people stop speaking to each other on public transport, you know you're heading into the north!
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Re: Where does the North stop being the North?
Cheese with Christmas cake. I had a flat mate from Southampton who looked at me like i had two heads when i told him about it. Try it I said. Just try it.
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Re: Where does the North stop being the North?
When shopkeepers stop being nice...
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Re: Where does the North stop being the North?
Junction 19 of the M6 at Knutsford. There you enter the midlands.
At junction 15 of the M1 at Northampton you leave the midlands and enter the south.
That's how I've always thought of it.
At junction 15 of the M1 at Northampton you leave the midlands and enter the south.
That's how I've always thought of it.
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Re: Where does the North stop being the North?
South Derbyshire.
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Re: Where does the North stop being the North?
Great Harwood. Any further West is the middle of nowhere
Re: Where does the North stop being the North?
What about where tea becomes 'supper?'
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Re: Where does the North stop being the North?
South Korea
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Re: Where does the North stop being the North?
Everywhere is north for me, there’s bugger all south!!
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Re: Where does the North stop being the North?
I live in South Manchester. When I walk the dog 300yds west, I come to the river Merseybasil6345789 wrote:Cheshire is in The South.
and a footbridge. My side of the river is the 'City of Manchester', the other side of the footbridge
is 'Sale' which was historically in Cheshire. So by your reckoning Wythenshawe, Stockport
and Manchester Airport are in the south?
Re: Where does the North stop being the North?
The south starts in the pub that serves beer with no head and charges you over 4 pounds a pint for the privilege.
Re: Where does the North stop being the North?
Quite the reverse https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PT0ay9u1gg4Man of Kent wrote:When people stop speaking to each other on public transport, you know you're heading into the north!
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Re: Where does the North stop being the North?
This is still amusing/confusing me.basil6345789 wrote:Cheshire is in The South.
Warrington and Widnes, which are both in Cheshire, are in the South?
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Re: Where does the North stop being the North?
Basil6345789
Warrington, Cheshire: 53.39 degrees North
Sheffield, South Yorkshire: 53.38 degrees North
So Warrington is further North than Sheffield.
Sheffield must be in the deep south then Basil6345789?
Warrington, Cheshire: 53.39 degrees North
Sheffield, South Yorkshire: 53.38 degrees North
So Warrington is further North than Sheffield.
Sheffield must be in the deep south then Basil6345789?
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Re: Where does the North stop being the North?
Wilmslow and anything south of Watford is France!
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Re: Where does the North stop being the North?
I have a friend from Poole who thinks the north starts on the outskirts of Bournemouth. They used to sing ‘Dirty northern b******s at Yeovil
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Re: Where does the North stop being the North?
Anywhere with a stupid accent. So Shadsworth.
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Re: Where does the North stop being the North?
I revolutionised a small part of Dublin with this cuisine (after the funny looks had ceased)john'sroseyspecs wrote:Cheese with Christmas cake. I had a flat mate from Southampton who looked at me like i had two heads when i told him about it. Try it I said. Just try it.