From the Lancashire Evening Telegraph."It's been the worst I've experienced, the hardest, the worst," Dyche said.
"Even some of the big, big clubs haven't got the player they wanted, very difficult. And even more for us - we're spending pretty decent money now, if you're looking at £10millions and £15million, that's decent money, and yet you can't scratch the surface.
"When you look at some of the clubs, Fulham, Huddersfield, Brighton, Bournemouth again.
"We have a model, everyone knows that, and I'm not crying it in, I would spend everything if we had it, but it's very difficult, even when you have money"
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Re: Dyche on Transfer Window: 'Worst I've Experienced'
You'll find no sympathy from a good number of "fans" on here, Sean.
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First he says "Even some of the big, big clubs haven't got the player they wanted, very difficult"
Then he says "When you look at some of the clubs, Fulham, Huddersfield, Brighton, Bournemouth again" in reference on how much they have spent and the amount of players they have brought in!
SD seems to be contradicting himself there!
Then he says "When you look at some of the clubs, Fulham, Huddersfield, Brighton, Bournemouth again" in reference on how much they have spent and the amount of players they have brought in!
SD seems to be contradicting himself there!
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I don't believe he does looking for sympathy, just telling it the way it is, as he does.evensteadiereddie wrote:You'll find no sympathy from a good number of "fans" on here, Sean.
The fact is we will always be near the bottom of the buying market, no matter how much the Prem brings in. I'm happy to make a profit, as I believe a dry powder store is necessary, and it takes time to fill.
The question is how many years will it take before we can slacken the purse strings without fear of undermining all we've gained.
The first promotion paid off the debt.
The second promotion paid for the training ground.
The last 2 seasons should have seen us banking some money for the future. How much do we need......... debatable.
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Well constructed argument. He just says it as it is. We would be insane to bring in numerous players and break up the team that finished seventh.
Until we increase our gates to mid to top twenties thousand we will always be one of the lowest spenders.
Until we increase our gates to mid to top twenties thousand we will always be one of the lowest spenders.
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Where's the contradiction?BigChaCha wrote:First he says "Even some of the big, big clubs haven't got the player they wanted, very difficult"
Then he says "When you look at some of the clubs, Fulham, Huddersfield, Brighton, Bournemouth again" in reference on how much they have spent and the amount of players they have brought in!
SD seems to be contradicting himself there!
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Where's the contradiction?
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Man Utd struggled. Spurs couldn’t get Grealish.BigChaCha wrote:
Brighton/Fulham spent big
No contradiction at all.
Basically he’s saying teams like Us, Utd, Spurs only want certain players. If they can’t get that player due to high costs they’ll wait rather than signing a similar player.
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Says it after every window, the next one will be worse , getting boring now . Here’s a thought spend some of the 100million
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bfcjg wrote:Well constructed argument. He just says it as it is. We would be insane to bring in numerous players and break up the team that finished seventh.
Until we increase our gates to mid to top twenties thousand we will always be one of the lowest spenders.
What! Who is asking for numerous players? Just needed a couple more. We don't need more money we dont spend enough of what we have. We can't fill the ground now and probably never will unless the top 5 are in town
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We’ve a few other options, or a combination, something along the lines of...
1) Stay as we are and struggle to compete in the market, but know full well we’ve the right characters and great team spirit.
2) Relax the apparent ‘criteria’ which appears to narrow our target market significantly. Potentially running the risk of a few bad eggs
3) Get into a position where we can be active in the foreign market and the risks / rewards that this may bring.
4) Scour the market for the up and comings and look to turn big profits on players whilst benefiting from them in the meantime (Zayek types).
Whichever it may be, I do think that both the club and Dyche need to be a little less tied to the current approach, without of course dispensing entirely with what has served us to well up to now.
We are never going to compete with the big clubs or those with wealthy owners so there needs to either be full acceptance of what we are doing, or we adapt gradually.
The player or two short that we are isn’t unmanageable though it could come back to bite us, but for me the biggest shortcoming is our apparent inability to use the foreign market.
1) Stay as we are and struggle to compete in the market, but know full well we’ve the right characters and great team spirit.
2) Relax the apparent ‘criteria’ which appears to narrow our target market significantly. Potentially running the risk of a few bad eggs
3) Get into a position where we can be active in the foreign market and the risks / rewards that this may bring.
4) Scour the market for the up and comings and look to turn big profits on players whilst benefiting from them in the meantime (Zayek types).
Whichever it may be, I do think that both the club and Dyche need to be a little less tied to the current approach, without of course dispensing entirely with what has served us to well up to now.
We are never going to compete with the big clubs or those with wealthy owners so there needs to either be full acceptance of what we are doing, or we adapt gradually.
The player or two short that we are isn’t unmanageable though it could come back to bite us, but for me the biggest shortcoming is our apparent inability to use the foreign market.
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We have. And a huge chunk of the revenue will be spent on our growing wage bill.joey13 wrote:Says it after every window, the next one will be worse , getting boring now . Here’s a thought spend some of the 100million
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I'm not too bothered at the transfer window I'm more bothered with the quality of football he serves up
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The bigger the draw the bigger the crowd but those days are long gone with games being all seater and ticket only.summitclaret wrote:What! Who is asking for numerous players? Just needed a couple more. We don't need more money we dont spend enough of what we have. We can't fill the ground now and probably never will unless the top 5 are in town
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So you can't answer the question then.BigChaCha wrote:
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Bizarre. I'm pleased you know how exactly how SD thinks though. Maybe you are correct and we work in exactly the same way in the transfer market as the massive clubs above us and not like the actual teams we are competing with in the league!Man Utd struggled. Spurs couldn’t get Grealish.
Brighton/Fulham spent big
No contradiction at all.
Basically he’s saying teams like Us, Utd, Spurs only want certain players. If they can’t get that player due to high costs they’ll wait rather than signing a similar player.
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Some mid-table type clubs spent big, but what have they got? Value for money?
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What's the point. We all sprang from apes, but some didn't spring far enough.So you can't answer the question then.
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So you want us to compete with clubs that played in the championship and are spending massively to be in this league next year? Rather than those that finished in and around us who just need an odd player or 2?BigChaCha wrote:Bizarre. I'm pleased you know how exactly how SD thinks though. Maybe you are correct and we work in exactly the same way in the transfer market as the massive clubs above us and not like the actual teams we are competing with in the league!
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It's fair to say we under spent last year, and the same this year, we had up to £30m to spend on deadline day if you believe we were in for Jay and a winger, we would have then spent nearly £60m if we had got all our targets.
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He should have more to spend in january but i can see us struggling in the window as players values will be sky high unless players are coming to the end of there contracts
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The point is that if you're unable to explain how it's a contradiction, then it's probably because there isn't one.BigChaCha wrote:What's the point. We all sprang from apes, but some didn't spring far enough.
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Re: Dyche on Transfer Window: 'Worst I've Experienced'
Our transfer dealings will be judged in a few months. A lot hinges on the recoveries of Defour & Brady.
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Re: Dyche on Transfer Window: 'Worst I've Experienced'
In football you compete with your peers, but in terms of finance we have no peers. Clubs in the Prem either have a massive income through massive gates/merchandising and or multi millionaire sugar daddies.
We are unique, therefore we can only compete against ourselves. We can't be measured against anybody else in the Premiership. If nothing else, that should highlight how well we have done. We are still overachieving and will be for a few more years yet. In time the dry powder store might make us more competitive but it isn't today or next year probably.
We are unique, therefore we can only compete against ourselves. We can't be measured against anybody else in the Premiership. If nothing else, that should highlight how well we have done. We are still overachieving and will be for a few more years yet. In time the dry powder store might make us more competitive but it isn't today or next year probably.
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Normally we would be competing against the top Championship sides but there doesn't seem to be a lot of money being spent in the championship plus we have prem football to offer hence why Vydra and Gibson came here.
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It’s the worst transfer window Dyche as experienced using his/BFCs criteria for signing players. I don’t think it’s universally the worst transfer window ever for everybody whose taken part.
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Anyone think some of Sean's comments are "tongue in cheek?"
OK, just me that doesn't think Sean really meant "worst experienced."
Guardiola is reported in today's Times complaining that the Home Office has declined a work permit for a 20 year old from Brazil - that, apparently has not yet played for Brazil - but it already on City's books. Then there's the chap across the other side of Manchester...… and Spurs didn't sign anyone.
Burnley will always find the transfer market a challenge. Not only does the club need to agree a feee with the selling club they also need to agree wages with the player (and his agent) - and all those actors are doing is hearing the figures that the "top 6" and the "billionaire owners" are reported as paying.
And, it was always thus; we have always been a "selling club" needing to produce a number of stars and sell (at least) one on each season to pay the wages of the team for the next season.
That's what it means to be a Burnley fan.
But, things can't be that bad: The Times is forecasting Burnley to finish 8th this season. When was the last time that a pundit placed Burnley in the top half of the top division in his predictions?
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OK, just me that doesn't think Sean really meant "worst experienced."
Guardiola is reported in today's Times complaining that the Home Office has declined a work permit for a 20 year old from Brazil - that, apparently has not yet played for Brazil - but it already on City's books. Then there's the chap across the other side of Manchester...… and Spurs didn't sign anyone.
Burnley will always find the transfer market a challenge. Not only does the club need to agree a feee with the selling club they also need to agree wages with the player (and his agent) - and all those actors are doing is hearing the figures that the "top 6" and the "billionaire owners" are reported as paying.
And, it was always thus; we have always been a "selling club" needing to produce a number of stars and sell (at least) one on each season to pay the wages of the team for the next season.
That's what it means to be a Burnley fan.
But, things can't be that bad: The Times is forecasting Burnley to finish 8th this season. When was the last time that a pundit placed Burnley in the top half of the top division in his predictions?
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The foreign scouting hasnt been very successful yet has it? I suspect belgian claret should have got a few quid from the defour deal going off our inabillity to find any decent foreign players matching our budget and demands.
If we’d have paid 20m we’d have got Rodriguez, Danny Ings has gone for 18m and hes hardly played in 3 years!
If we’d have paid 20m we’d have got Rodriguez, Danny Ings has gone for 18m and hes hardly played in 3 years!
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Huddersfield are certainly comparable in terms of size of club and Hoyle isn’t particularly wealthy, by PL standards.Colburn_Claret wrote:In football you compete with your peers, but in terms of finance we have no peers. Clubs in the Prem either have a massive income through massive gates/merchandising and or multi millionaire sugar daddies.
We are unique, therefore we can only compete against ourselves. We can't be measured against anybody else in the Premiership. If nothing else, that should highlight how well we have done. We are still overachieving and will be for a few more years yet. In time the dry powder store might make us more competitive but it isn't today or next year probably.
Aside from that though, this season, all others I think are ahead of us in terms of size and / or owners wealth.
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Take out the big 6/7 (Including Everton).
And despite all the challenges only Leicester have had more success than us in recent times.
No other clubs can say they've come close to achieving what we have.
And despite all the challenges only Leicester have had more success than us in recent times.
No other clubs can say they've come close to achieving what we have.
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good points you mention there DWat, but i dont think its as simple as that with the foreign market, Burnley often bring in players to nurture and they end up getting binned eventually.DCWat wrote:We’ve a few other options, or a combination, something along the lines of...
1) Stay as we are and struggle to compete in the market, but know full well we’ve the right characters and great team spirit.
2) Relax the apparent ‘criteria’ which appears to narrow our target market significantly. Potentially running the risk of a few bad eggs
3) Get into a position where we can be active in the foreign market and the risks / rewards that this may bring.
4) Scour the market for the up and comings and look to turn big profits on players whilst benefiting from them in the meantime (Zayek types).
Whichever it may be, I do think that both the club and Dyche need to be a little less tied to the current approach, without of course dispensing entirely with what has served us to well up to now.
We are never going to compete with the big clubs or those with wealthy owners so there needs to either be full acceptance of what we are doing, or we adapt gradually.
The player or two short that we are isn’t unmanageable though it could come back to bite us, but for me the biggest shortcoming is our apparent inability to use the foreign market.
Finding players abroad is equally fraught with risk, and if they are even slightly established, then the bigger fish are eager to have them on their books too.
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We need to find the next Defour type player and a better right winger still even though Lennon is ok for now.....
We also need to find a more dynamic striker, Perez went to West Ham for 4m could prove to be a bargain that, time will tell.
We also need to find a more dynamic striker, Perez went to West Ham for 4m could prove to be a bargain that, time will tell.
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What have we achieved that no other club has?Spijed wrote:Take out the big 6/7 (Including Everton).
And despite all the challenges only Leicester have had more success than us in recent times.
No other clubs can say they've come close to achieving what we have.
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Got to agree with that, creativity is still our weak point, but hopefully we are looking for those players now, not waiting until December.Giftonsnoidea wrote:We need to find the next Defour type player and a better right winger still even though Lennon is ok for now.....
We also need to find a more dynamic striker, Perez went to West Ham for 4m could prove to be a bargain that, time will tell.
We should do it the Southampton way, start off with a dozen players who can do what we want, then whittle them down on likely cost, likely wages, SDs due diligence. We only need a couple of players a window.
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When did palace, watford, bournemouth, cardiff, huddersfield, brighton, wolves last finish in the top 7 or qualify for europe?KRBFC wrote:What have we achieved that no other club has?
When did any club do it with the lowest wage bill and no paid directors?
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No paid directors Mmmmmmm!!
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People have been so brainwashed by the money what’s in the game that’s all they care about. All the wanna see is Burnley spend big
For instance had we sign Jack Cork for £40m and Chris Wood for £30m last summer and finished 7th they’d have been over the moon. But we “got away” with our gamble.
They just want to see money spent. Regardless of who comes in. £20m on J Rod would have made people happy for that very reason.
We’ve always have been about building steadily. A couple of players each window to strength the starting 11. It’s worked over the past few seasons. Why suddenly start spending big? Especially when players like J Rod wouldn’t improve us imo.
For instance had we sign Jack Cork for £40m and Chris Wood for £30m last summer and finished 7th they’d have been over the moon. But we “got away” with our gamble.
They just want to see money spent. Regardless of who comes in. £20m on J Rod would have made people happy for that very reason.
We’ve always have been about building steadily. A couple of players each window to strength the starting 11. It’s worked over the past few seasons. Why suddenly start spending big? Especially when players like J Rod wouldn’t improve us imo.
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BigChaCha wrote:First he says "Even some of the big, big clubs haven't got the player they wanted, very difficult"
Then he says "When you look at some of the clubs, Fulham, Huddersfield, Brighton, Bournemouth again" in reference on how much they have spent and the amount of players they have brought in!
SD seems to be contradicting himself there!
So your definition of "big big clubs" is............ Fulham, Huddersfield, Brighton and Bournemouth.
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Southampton qualified for Europe 2 years ago, West Ham 3 years ago.cricketfieldclarets wrote:When did palace, watford, bournemouth, cardiff, huddersfield, brighton, wolves last finish in the top 7 or qualify for europe?
When did any club do it with the lowest wage bill and no paid directors?
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Fact of the matter money talks,fees increase & wages increase no point in banging the same old drum. I’m guessing the new deal Dyche signed last season was a vast increase on his previous contract.
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Every other team has benefactors far, far, wealthier than us.DCWat wrote:Huddersfield are certainly comparable in terms of size of club and Hoyle isn’t particularly wealthy, by PL standards.
Aside from that though, this season, all others I think are ahead of us in terms of size and / or owners wealth.
Huddersfield owners have 6 times more wealth than ours. Cardiff 10 times, Fulham 90 and Wolves 120 times wealthier than ours. Richest; ManCity have 550x more backing than us.
The clubs all get the same TV money so these are the finances which matter more & more. Also why it's fanciful to think other teams/agents would want to conclude early deals with us when we have the smallest finances available.
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What about the clubs he mentioned?KRBFC wrote:Southampton qualified for Europe 2 years ago, West Ham 3 years ago.
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Can you prove otherwise?Turfmoor321 wrote:No paid directors Mmmmmmm!!
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Ok pal back to reading the beanoGodIsADeeJay81 wrote:Can you prove otherwise?
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We haven’t even spent what we received for Keane and Graytaio wrote:We have. And a huge chunk of the revenue will be spent on our growing wage bill.
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You only had to say that you couldn't.Turfmoor321 wrote:Ok pal back to reading the beano
Pal
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joey13 wrote:We haven’t even spent what we received for Keane and Gray
We’ve never spent what we got for Austin.
#dycheout
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Why did he mention those clubs though? The post I quoted said all clubs apart from Leicester, Everton and the top 6.GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:What about the clubs he mentioned?
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Hoyle said two years ago when he closed the academy down he wouldn’t be putting anymore of his own money in .CombatClaret wrote:Every other team has benefactors far, far, wealthier than us.
Huddersfield owners have 6 times more wealth than ours. Cardiff 10 times, Fulham 90 and Wolves 120 times wealthier than ours. Richest; ManCity have 550x more backing than us.
The clubs all get the same TV money so these are the finances which matter more & more. Also why it's fanciful to think other teams/agents would want to conclude early deals with us when we have the smallest finances available.
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If only our players didn't require payment for playingjoey13 wrote:We haven’t even spent what we received for Keane and Gray