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Most divisive Burnley 11

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Fri Aug 17, 2018 11:13 pm

The thread on Hendrick made me think, we have had plenty of scapegoats down the years. Or players who divided opinion despite success.

Who would your 11 be?

Jensen - Played a key role in our promotion. And Played for more games for a far longer period than anyone imagined. Played more games than most keepers we have had. Some loved him. Some loved to hate him. Personally liked him.

Mears - Looked brilliant when he signed him. But that was before the likes of Trippier and Lowton and after years of Dean Wests etc. Was awful at free kicks but thought he was Beckham.

Bikey - Should have realised he was a loose cannon after the play off game against Reading! Had the talent and physical attributes to be a top class defender. Had the mentality to be inside for a long stretch. Once met Howe and Tindall on a pre match ground tour. To say they werent complimentary of him was an understatement.

Gnohere - He was Bikey MK1. Stan didnt manage him the best. Scored one of the most memorable goals ever. Was a real fans favourite. But also threw a few in.

Fox - Some people thought Easton was better than him. Some thought he was premier league quality. The reality is he was somewhere in between and shows that by still playing at that level.

Arfield - To say we got him for nothing when he was unwanted by Huddersfield shows how much value we got from him. Scored some vital goals in The Championship AND Premier League and put some very good, hard working performances in. But some fans expected more without appreciating where he had come from and what he had done.

Hendrick - £13m price tag doesnt help. Does a good job in midfield. But the stats dont lie. His return on goals and assists isnt good enough.

Jones - Probably the most underappreciated player I saw for us. Did the simple stuff extremely well. Rarely lost the ball. Complimented Marney very well. Could never understand why people didnt rate him. Apart from perhaps his low key style.

Boyd - Hardest working player we have ever had. Which is the main thing you want from a Burnley player. Yet he was never fully popular with most fans I spoke to. Never really got to show his skill too often but that was more down to system than talent.

Gray - 23 goals to fire us to The Championship in his first season. 9 Goals in his debut premier league season. Cost £7m sold for £18m. Yet hardly any Burnley fan likes or liked him. Strange one. Was one of best strikers to watch for me. Pure striker.

Fletcher - Had a fantastic touch, had a decent return of 9 on his only premier league season with us. Signed for just £3.5m yet many thought he was awful.

Manager - Steve Cotterill. Did a great job in very different and challenging times. Started with next to no players and first aim was to survive which he did comfortably. Closed the gap on Blackburn with a limited squad. Built a side that would later go onto get promoted. Got a bit stale towards the end but overall did a great job.
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Re: Most divisive Burnley 11

Post by ElectroClaret » Fri Aug 17, 2018 11:19 pm

Arfield divisive? Really?

I know some didn't like him as much as other players, but not divisive, methinks.

Particularly after "that goal" against the Undead. :mrgreen:
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Post by 4:20 » Fri Aug 17, 2018 11:21 pm

Graham branch had a bit of a torrid run with the crowd and then all of a sudden became a bit of a cult hero. I used to think he was getting sympathy cheers, then i realised how much i loved him playing for us
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Post by claretblue » Fri Aug 17, 2018 11:25 pm

that Jimmy Mac has still to convince! :?

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Post by Vegas Claret » Fri Aug 17, 2018 11:26 pm

Cant do an 11 but can add some potential names

Chris Pearce
Steve Harper
Tony Philliskirk
Kurt Nogan

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Re: Most divisive Burnley 11

Post by piston broke » Fri Aug 17, 2018 11:57 pm

Derek Scott. We usually played better with him in and missed him when not but folk couldn’t get over the family connection and abused him.
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Re: Most divisive Burnley 11

Post by If it be your will » Fri Aug 17, 2018 11:57 pm

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Re: Most divisive Burnley 11

Post by Rumbletonk » Sat Aug 18, 2018 12:03 am

Steve Thompson and Adrian Randall (the best **** player ever)
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Re: Most divisive Burnley 11

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sat Aug 18, 2018 12:04 am

If it be your will wrote:Ashley Barnes? Or have we all come round to agreeing he's just totally ace now?
Did nearly add him tbh

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Post by sox8595 » Sat Aug 18, 2018 12:04 am

If it be your will wrote:Ashley Barnes? Or have we all come round to agreeing he's just totally ace now?
YUP

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Post by KRBFC » Sat Aug 18, 2018 12:07 am

Chris McCann
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Post by KRBFC » Sat Aug 18, 2018 12:08 am

ginger James O'Connor another, I rated him
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Re: Most divisive Burnley 11

Post by Wile E Coyote » Sat Aug 18, 2018 12:24 am

chris eagles, barton, tarks, brady, barnes, winstanley, blatherwick, jones, boyd definately.

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Post by majormajor » Sat Aug 18, 2018 12:39 am

I always thought it was just accepted that Blatherwick was fairly useless.

Tony Grant has be in there surely? A classic ‘it’s the things you don’t see that he does well’ player.
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Post by Damo » Sat Aug 18, 2018 12:42 am

Guessing the OP started watching us the season we got promoted to the premier league
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Re: Most divisive Burnley 11

Post by Wile E Coyote » Sat Aug 18, 2018 1:09 am

majormajor wrote:I always thought it was just accepted that Blatherwick was fairly useless.

Tony Grant has be in there surely? A classic ‘it’s the things you don’t see that he does well’ player.
spot on, and it is a truly subjective topic.

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Re: Most divisive Burnley 11

Post by HiroshimaClaret » Sat Aug 18, 2018 1:14 am

You`ve FAR too much time on your hands, cricketfieldclaret!!! :D

It`s a good `un though!! Off the top of my head...

Steve Gardner +/-
Ron Futcher +/-
Joe Jakub ---/+
John Francis (unbelievably for me but had many a row regards one of my favourites) +++++/--
Andy Farrell
Nic Michopolous
Ian Moore
David Jones
Chris Eagles
Jeff Hendrick
Lee Briscoe

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Post by kicker_conspiracy » Sat Aug 18, 2018 4:30 am

Jean Louis Valois

John Oster

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Post by HiroshimaClaret » Sat Aug 18, 2018 4:45 am

kicker_conspiracy wrote:Jean Louis Valois

John Oster
Not more of a shrug of the shoulders?

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Re: Most divisive Burnley 11

Post by ontario claret » Sat Aug 18, 2018 6:00 am

How about 10 most divisive Burnley managers? Actually, it would be a very short list. One name would make up all 10 entries.

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Post by BFCmaj » Sat Aug 18, 2018 6:56 am

Paul Cook used to get a lot of grief if I remember correctly but he was class.
Dean West
Gareth Taylor
Ian Moore

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Post by Down_Rover » Sat Aug 18, 2018 7:18 am

Ade Akinbiyi and most of the players signed by John Bond.
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Post by KellyClaret » Sat Aug 18, 2018 8:30 am

cricketfieldclarets wrote:The thread on Hendrick made me think, we have had plenty of scapegoats down the years. Or players who divided opinion despite success.

Who would your 11 be?

Jensen - Played a key role in our promotion. And Played for more games for a far longer period than anyone imagined. Played more games than most keepers we have had. Some loved him. Some loved to hate him. Personally liked him.

Mears - Looked brilliant when he signed him. But that was before the likes of Trippier and Lowton and after years of Dean Wests etc. Was awful at free kicks but thought he was Beckham.

Bikey - Should have realised he was a loose cannon after the play off game against Reading! Had the talent and physical attributes to be a top class defender. Had the mentality to be inside for a long stretch. Once met Howe and Tindall on a pre match ground tour. To say they werent complimentary of him was an understatement.

Gnohere - He was Bikey MK1. Stan didnt manage him the best. Scored one of the most memorable goals ever. Was a real fans favourite. But also threw a few in.

Fox - Some people thought Easton was better than him. Some thought he was premier league quality. The reality is he was somewhere in between and shows that by still playing at that level.

Arfield - To say we got him for nothing when he was unwanted by Huddersfield shows how much value we got from him. Scored some vital goals in The Championship AND Premier League and put some very good, hard working performances in. But some fans expected more without appreciating where he had come from and what he had done.

Hendrick - £13m price tag doesnt help. Does a good job in midfield. But the stats dont lie. His return on goals and assists isnt good enough.

Jones - Probably the most underappreciated player I saw for us. Did the simple stuff extremely well. Rarely lost the ball. Complimented Marney very well. Could never understand why people didnt rate him. Apart from perhaps his low key style.

Boyd - Hardest working player we have ever had. Which is the main thing you want from a Burnley player. Yet he was never fully popular with most fans I spoke to. Never really got to show his skill too often but that was more down to system than talent.

Gray - 23 goals to fire us to The Championship in his first season. 9 Goals in his debut premier league season. Cost £7m sold for £18m. Yet hardly any Burnley fan likes or liked him. Strange one. Was one of best strikers to watch for me. Pure striker.

Fletcher - Had a fantastic touch, had a decent return of 9 on his only premier league season with us. Signed for just £3.5m yet many thought he was awful.

Manager - Steve Cotterill. Did a great job in very different and challenging times. Started with next to no players and first aim was to survive which he did comfortably. Closed the gap on Blackburn with a limited squad. Built a side that would later go onto get promoted. Got a bit stale towards the end but overall did a great job.
Surely Lee Grant was far more divisive than Jensen? Half the fan base thinking he was the best keeper we'd had in years and the other half thought he was a complete liability.

Then what about Stephen Jordan or even Ben Mee for left back? Maybe too many considered Jordan to be shite for it to be divisive but for quite a while Ben Mee split opinion at LB.

I think Tyrone was pretty much universally considered a decent RB but some questioned his mentality.

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Re: Most divisive Burnley 11

Post by claretblue » Sat Aug 18, 2018 8:40 am

Damo wrote:Guessing the OP started watching us the season we got promoted to the premier league
‘...Gnohere..’ :?

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Re: Most divisive Burnley 11

Post by Quickenthetempo » Sat Aug 18, 2018 8:47 am

Alan Moor and Keith Treacey
Ross Wallace
Wade Elliott

All inconsistent wingers.

All the managers have divided fans throughout my time as a Claret.
But probably Jimmy Mullen gets this by the time he left. Remarkabe what he achieved but the club/Teasedale didn't have the resources to match or maintain it. Got quite hostile at times between the Mullen out brigade and his supporters. Fights, arguments job lot.

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Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sat Aug 18, 2018 9:11 am

Damo wrote:Guessing the OP started watching us the season we got promoted to the premier league
No. It was just universally accepted we were **** before then.

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Re: Most divisive Burnley 11

Post by SammyBoy » Sat Aug 18, 2018 9:24 am

Agree on all the OPs being divisive bar Arfield and possibly Mears and Fletcher who I think were largely considered good players by the majority.

FWIW I still can't figure out if Tony Grant was crap or not.

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Re: Most divisive Burnley 11

Post by Burnley Ace » Sat Aug 18, 2018 9:47 am

McDonald, Gazza, McMahon, Wharton

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Post by bfcjg » Sat Aug 18, 2018 10:01 am

Marney got a lot of stick because Laws signed him.

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Re: Most divisive Burnley 11

Post by Longside4evr » Sat Aug 18, 2018 10:11 am

Wharton was a fan favourite
A bit like big Vince
Probably because he wore his heart on his sleeve and watch us from the longside and sported a Burnley tatto that's all that was required in them days we where bad and heading for worse to come
Divisive player Les Lawrence
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Post by joey13 » Sat Aug 18, 2018 10:32 am

Manager - Steve Cotterill. Did a great job in very different and challenging times. Started with next to no players and first aim was to survive which he did comfortably. Closed the gap on Blackburn with a limited squad. Built a side that would later go onto get promoted. Got a bit stale towards the end but overall did a great job.

Please define 19 games without a win as doing a great job ?

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Post by DCWat » Sat Aug 18, 2018 10:43 am

Martin Paterson
Andy Cooke
Michael Duff (early years)

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Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sat Aug 18, 2018 10:44 am

joey13 wrote:Manager - Steve Cotterill. Did a great job in very different and challenging times. Started with next to no players and first aim was to survive which he did comfortably. Closed the gap on Blackburn with a limited squad. Built a side that would later go onto get promoted. Got a bit stale towards the end but overall did a great job.

Please define 19 games without a win as doing a great job ?
Already did

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Post by Quickenthetempo » Sat Aug 18, 2018 11:02 am

I can't remember Cotterill getting much stick in the 19 game winless run.

The 19th game was Preston away if I remember rightly with plenty of Clarets there. No Cotterill out chants or anything like you would expect.

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Post by welsbyswife » Sat Aug 18, 2018 11:07 am

Surely Mark Ford should have been a Burnley legend?
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Post by welsbyswife » Sat Aug 18, 2018 11:09 am

I thought Jason Hardy had the makings of a decent full back until the boo boys got on his back and he seemed to fade away.

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Post by joey13 » Sat Aug 18, 2018 11:29 am

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Already did
You didn’t mention 19 games without a win , please define how this is doing a great job
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Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sat Aug 18, 2018 11:49 am

joey13 wrote:You didn’t mention 19 games without a win , please define how this is doing a great job
:lol: ok then pal.

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Post by Dyched » Sat Aug 18, 2018 12:27 pm

David Jones annoyed me how long it took him to turn with the ball. So one footed, Ive seen oil tankers turn quicker

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Post by joey13 » Sat Aug 18, 2018 1:36 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote::lol: ok then pal.
I’m trying to be divisive :lol:

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Post by ontario claret » Sun Aug 19, 2018 12:18 am

David Jones was the king of the backpass. Would get into a promising position and immediately pass to somebody in the back four.

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Post by tim_noone » Sun Aug 19, 2018 12:22 am

Quickenthetempo wrote:I can't remember Cotterill getting much stick in the 19 game winless run.

The 19th game was Preston away if I remember rightly with plenty of Clarets there. No Cotterill out chants or anything like you would expect.
I heard them at Barnsley...

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Post by THEWELLERNUT70 » Sun Aug 19, 2018 12:30 am

Tommy Hutchinson
Gareth Taylor
Ron Futcher

(Edit: incidentally I thought all three were great!)
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Post by KRBFC » Sun Aug 19, 2018 12:32 am

joey13 wrote:Manager - Steve Cotterill. Did a great job in very different and challenging times. Started with next to no players and first aim was to survive which he did comfortably. Closed the gap on Blackburn with a limited squad. Built a side that would later go onto get promoted. Got a bit stale towards the end but overall did a great job.

Please define 19 games without a win as doing a great job ?
The football was tough to watch and the long winless run was abysmal but we were that bad and short on numbers, Michael Duff played upfront for us..... Kept us up on nothing and built a solid foundation for the next manager.
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Re: Most divisive Burnley 11

Post by THEWELLERNUT70 » Sun Aug 19, 2018 12:33 am

Although I think there could be a special category on here of the 11 most divisive left backs ;)

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Post by KRBFC » Sun Aug 19, 2018 12:35 am

THEWELLERNUT70 wrote:Although I think there could be a special category on here of the 11 most divisive left backs ;)
Mo Mo Mo, mo camara

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Post by KRBFC » Sun Aug 19, 2018 12:36 am

I loved Mo Camara, better than Jon Harley and Jay Mckevely anyway

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Post by Bop » Sun Aug 19, 2018 12:49 am

Mick Docherty?

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Post by CharlieinNewMexico » Sun Aug 19, 2018 5:50 am

Phil Malley. Most thought he was absolutely terrible but without his steel in the middle of the park teams would have walked through us even more.

Ron Futcher. So far ahead in his thinking that no one had a clue what he was doing. Made him look terrible and slow but was light years ahead as far as a football brain.

Steve Taylor. Headless!!! Played about 500 league games and scored 1 in 3 career wise but couldn't even strike a ball right.
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Re: Most divisive Burnley 11

Post by Fretters » Sun Aug 19, 2018 6:03 am

Paul Weller, especially in his early years when he was developing under Mullen. Then some fans never seemed to forgive him for the trial at West Ham. I think only his illness stopped him signing? He was great at times when he got back regularly under Stan, and that goal at Oldham in the Waddle season was something else.

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