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Team for Palace
Time for something different
Whichever side Zaha plays then Lennon must go
Whichever side Zaha plays then Lennon must go
Re: Team for Palace
How about we go back to the team that got us to 7th last season.
Hart
Lowton
Long
Taylor
JBG
Defour
Cork
Brady
Hendrick
Wood
Hart
Lowton
Long
Taylor
JBG
Defour
Cork
Brady
Hendrick
Wood
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Re: Team for Palace
I’ve solved it:
.........................Heaton
Lowton............Long....Gibson..........Taylor
................Hendrick...Westwood
.........................Defour
.............JBG.....................Vydra
..........................Vokes
-I think we miss Heaton
-Cork is turning into the player Swansea fans will remember
-Mee is turning into the player Burnley fans don’t want to remember
-Long has been our most consistent CB
-Gibson looks quality. Better passer than Tarks, can really get us on the front foot
-Defour could play a little further forward
-Having JBG and Vydra narrow provides support for Sam, an option for Defour, and doesn’t cramp the attacking nuances of the full backs
-A midfield 3, with the engine of Hendrick, provides cover for the back 4, and leaves Hendrick in his best position
-This cover also allows the full backs to get forward
-The dynamic up front completely changes from a turgid hoofball tactic, to one of options: long to Sam / wide using the full backs / into Vydra’s feet / JBG to run at players and get central to shoot / Hendrick to arrive from deep / Defour to thread the pass playing higher up the pitch
-Leaves options on the bench: Wood, Barnes, Brady, Lennon
.........................Heaton
Lowton............Long....Gibson..........Taylor
................Hendrick...Westwood
.........................Defour
.............JBG.....................Vydra
..........................Vokes
-I think we miss Heaton
-Cork is turning into the player Swansea fans will remember
-Mee is turning into the player Burnley fans don’t want to remember
-Long has been our most consistent CB
-Gibson looks quality. Better passer than Tarks, can really get us on the front foot
-Defour could play a little further forward
-Having JBG and Vydra narrow provides support for Sam, an option for Defour, and doesn’t cramp the attacking nuances of the full backs
-A midfield 3, with the engine of Hendrick, provides cover for the back 4, and leaves Hendrick in his best position
-This cover also allows the full backs to get forward
-The dynamic up front completely changes from a turgid hoofball tactic, to one of options: long to Sam / wide using the full backs / into Vydra’s feet / JBG to run at players and get central to shoot / Hendrick to arrive from deep / Defour to thread the pass playing higher up the pitch
-Leaves options on the bench: Wood, Barnes, Brady, Lennon
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Re: Team for Palace
Heaton in for Hart. For no other reason than we seek to lack any organisation and we know that is something Heaton brings to the team.
JBG is for Brady. He’s still looks to be a long way off.
Hendrick in for Wood
Westwood in for Cork who is not even a third of the player he was last season.
JBG is for Brady. He’s still looks to be a long way off.
Hendrick in for Wood
Westwood in for Cork who is not even a third of the player he was last season.
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Re: Team for Palace
Heaton
Bardsley Long Gibson Taylor
JBG Westwood Hendrick McNeill
Vokes Vydra
Bardsley Long Gibson Taylor
JBG Westwood Hendrick McNeill
Vokes Vydra
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Re: Team for Palace
I'm not going to predict the team as in all likelihood it will be the same predictable 4-4-2. However the defence is the main achilles heal at present and I for one would certainly bring Heaton back in before it's too late. Not for one minute suggesting he's better than Hart but he's better for us than Hart.
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Re: Team for Palace
Does it matter? We all know it'll be the same as last night and another defeat
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Re: Team for Palace
Heaton
Lowton Gibson Mee Taylor
Lennon Hendrick Defour JBG
Wood Barnes
Lowton Gibson Mee Taylor
Lennon Hendrick Defour JBG
Wood Barnes
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Re: Team for Palace
------------------Hart
Lowton Long Gibson Taylor
-----------------Westy
-------Defour--------Hendrick
JBG------------------------McNeil
-----------------Vokes
Lowton Long Gibson Taylor
-----------------Westy
-------Defour--------Hendrick
JBG------------------------McNeil
-----------------Vokes
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Re: Team for Palace
Hart
Lowton
Mee
Long
Taylor
Lennon
Hendrick
Defour
Cork
Brady
Vokes
The midfield is being over run and does not have the legs, that is why I have gone 5 across by bringing Hendrick in to do all the leg work. We need someone who is strong and can run with the ball and neither Cork or Defour can do this
Lowton
Mee
Long
Taylor
Lennon
Hendrick
Defour
Cork
Brady
Vokes
The midfield is being over run and does not have the legs, that is why I have gone 5 across by bringing Hendrick in to do all the leg work. We need someone who is strong and can run with the ball and neither Cork or Defour can do this
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Re: Team for Palace
Based on that very brief period with us where he hasn't had a hernia.Roosterbooster wrote: Gibson looks quality.
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Re: Team for Palace
Some interesting suggestions re. team for Palace
but I doubt whether Dyche will change it that much.
I do think Roosterbooster's team may be the most promising but think
Dyche will stick with Hart especially if he thinks Heaton is on his way eleswhere
and probably the same back 4 as last night.
I don't think he'll drop Mee for Gibson either.
Wood had a number of chances last night, more so than Vokes (even though his header
was phenomenal) and will put one away eventually whereas Vokes isn't likely to score
goals like he did last night on a regular basis.
Certainly 3 in midfield would be my favoured option with Defour sitting in front.
So for me it would be:
Hart
Lowton............Long....Mee.........Taylor
................Hendrick...Westwood.
.........................Defour
.............JBG.....................Vydra
........................Wood
but I doubt whether Dyche will change it that much.
I do think Roosterbooster's team may be the most promising but think
Dyche will stick with Hart especially if he thinks Heaton is on his way eleswhere
and probably the same back 4 as last night.
I don't think he'll drop Mee for Gibson either.
Wood had a number of chances last night, more so than Vokes (even though his header
was phenomenal) and will put one away eventually whereas Vokes isn't likely to score
goals like he did last night on a regular basis.
Certainly 3 in midfield would be my favoured option with Defour sitting in front.
So for me it would be:
Hart
Lowton............Long....Mee.........Taylor
................Hendrick...Westwood.
.........................Defour
.............JBG.....................Vydra
........................Wood
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Re: Team for Palace
Hart/Heaton- either/or, won't make a difference, it's Pope we have missed.
Lowton, Long, Gibson, Mee, Taylor
Hendrick, Defour, Westwood,
Barnes
Vokes
Lowton, Long, Gibson, Mee, Taylor
Hendrick, Defour, Westwood,
Barnes
Vokes
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Re: Team for Palace
For me Heaton must return!!
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Re: Team for Palace
Hart (can stay in until Pope returns for me)
Lowton Long Gibson Taylor
JBG if fit (Lennon if not) Hendrick Defour Westwood Brady
Vokes
Lowton Long Gibson Taylor
JBG if fit (Lennon if not) Hendrick Defour Westwood Brady
Vokes
Re: Team for Palace
It's getting to the stage where I'd be tempted to make wholesale changes just for the sake of it to try and shake things up a bit. The likes of Lowton, Mee and Cork have been allowed to become far too comfortable and know that they'll play no matter what.
Heaton
Lowton Long Gibson Taylor
Lennon Defour Hendrick JBG/Brady
Vydra
Vokes
Heaton
Lowton Long Gibson Taylor
Lennon Defour Hendrick JBG/Brady
Vydra
Vokes
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Re: Team for Palace
Hart
Lowton Long Mee Taylor
JBG Defour Hendrick Brady
Barnes
Wood
The Barnes/Wood partnership worked wonders during that 5 game winning streak at the end of last season and we desperately miss Barnes breaking up play.
I'd rather Heaton ahead of Hart but Tom's probably leaving in January anyway so we might as well stick with Hart.
Lowton Long Mee Taylor
JBG Defour Hendrick Brady
Barnes
Wood
The Barnes/Wood partnership worked wonders during that 5 game winning streak at the end of last season and we desperately miss Barnes breaking up play.
I'd rather Heaton ahead of Hart but Tom's probably leaving in January anyway so we might as well stick with Hart.
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Re: Team for Palace
Deckchairs on the Titanic
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Re: Team for Palace
-------Heaton
Lowton Long Mee Taylor
Lennon Defour Cork Hendrick
------------Vydra
------------Vokes
If JBG is fit then, you can debate him coming in for Vydra or possibly Lennon. But we need the extra presence in midfield that Hendrick offers, and Vokes and Defour both need a more mobile support act to support both midfield and attack.
Lowton Long Mee Taylor
Lennon Defour Cork Hendrick
------------Vydra
------------Vokes
If JBG is fit then, you can debate him coming in for Vydra or possibly Lennon. But we need the extra presence in midfield that Hendrick offers, and Vokes and Defour both need a more mobile support act to support both midfield and attack.
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Re: Team for Palace
---------Heaton---------------
Lowton--- Long--- Gibson--- Taylor
JBG--- Defour--- Hart ---Brady
------------Vileda----------------
------------Wood-----------------
Lowton--- Long--- Gibson--- Taylor
JBG--- Defour--- Hart ---Brady
------------Vileda----------------
------------Wood-----------------
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Re: Team for Palace
Reckon we'd clean up with that line-upSutton-Claret wrote:---------Heaton---------------
Lowton--- Long--- Gibson--- Taylor
JBG--- Defour--- Hart ---Brady
------------Vileda----------------
------------Wood-----------------
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Re: Team for Palace
Heaton
Lowton Long Mee Taylor
Brady Defour Hendrick JBG
Barnes
Vokes
Unlucky for Hart, but it isn't working, even if it isn't his fault, it's time to bring Heats back and see if he can make a difference.
Barnes because we need a fighter playing in the hole, who has the skill on the ball to bring others in, as well as score themselves
Hendrick for Cork, because it is an absolute no brainer. Cork needs time out for his own sake, come back fresh if we can sort the mess out.
Tactically Brady and JBG need to start working the full backs, with or without the ball. They make life far too easy for the opposition and create no spaces for the midfield to push forward.
Fullbacks need to get the ball in the box every time they enter the final third, to get into that attacking position and then lamely pass back to half way is a waste of effort. AND if the forwards aren't in a position to attack the ball they want their arses kicking.
Lowton Long Mee Taylor
Brady Defour Hendrick JBG
Barnes
Vokes
Unlucky for Hart, but it isn't working, even if it isn't his fault, it's time to bring Heats back and see if he can make a difference.
Barnes because we need a fighter playing in the hole, who has the skill on the ball to bring others in, as well as score themselves
Hendrick for Cork, because it is an absolute no brainer. Cork needs time out for his own sake, come back fresh if we can sort the mess out.
Tactically Brady and JBG need to start working the full backs, with or without the ball. They make life far too easy for the opposition and create no spaces for the midfield to push forward.
Fullbacks need to get the ball in the box every time they enter the final third, to get into that attacking position and then lamely pass back to half way is a waste of effort. AND if the forwards aren't in a position to attack the ball they want their arses kicking.
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Re: Team for Palace
I’m fairly certain he also played football before he came to Burnleydeanothedino wrote:Based on that very brief period with us where he hasn't had a hernia.
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Re: Team for Palace
Anyone who has Vydra in the team clearly lives on another planet. In fact your pushing it putting him on the bloody bench!!!
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Re: Team for Palace
I’m now past caring. Cannot remember ever feeling so ‘meh’ about the Clarets. I think it’s the style of play that’s killing me. Turgid, slow, boring, error strewn,frustrating. Something is seriously wrong in the camp. Seems to have coincided with Hart’s arrival, could be wrong but that’s how it feels. Whatever it is it needs sorting as we are currently on a fast route to the Championship. If that happens I doubt we would regain our Premier league status any time soon, if ever.
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Re: Team for Palace
Drop Hart. Anything else is a bonus but a return to 4-5-1 with the inclusion of Hendrick, as there is no one else for the role apparently, is probably our best bet. Not much between our collection of lumps/big lads to play the “1” so I don’t thing it matters greatly.
I certainly wouldn’t be starting Brady so hopefully JBG back in.
I certainly wouldn’t be starting Brady so hopefully JBG back in.
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Re: Team for Palace
Blacklaw, Angus, Elder, O'Neil, Miller, Todd, Morgan, Lochhead, Irvine, Harris, Coates.
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Re: Team for Palace
Not sure who the team will be but I know the tactics.
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Re: Team for Palace
unfortunately so doesbfcjg wrote:Not sure who the team will be but I know the tactics.
Eddie Howe
Unai Emery
Chris Hughton
Neil Warnock
Maurizio Sarri
Roy Hodgson
Marco Silva
Claudio Ranieri
David Wagner
Claude Puel
Jürgen Klopp
Pep Guardiola
José Mourinho
Rafael Benítez
Mark Hughes
Mauricio Pochettino
Javier Gracia
Manuel Pellegrini
Nuno Espírito Santo
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Re: Team for Palace
I wish !! What a team.Quicknick wrote:Blacklaw, Angus, Elder, O'Neil, Miller, Todd, Morgan, Lochhead, Irvine, Harris, Coates.
Re: Team for Palace
Will bringing Tom back turn Lowton, Taylor, Brady and Cork into PL players? Will Tom put some life into Defour's legs? I'm not so sure.
As mentioned in this thread and by myself yesterday afternoon. Shuffling deckchairs on the titanic.
As mentioned in this thread and by myself yesterday afternoon. Shuffling deckchairs on the titanic.
Re: Team for Palace
Heaton
Lowton
Taylor
Gibson
Long
JBG (or Brady if JBG not back)
Defour
Cork
Lennon
Barnes
Wood
Defence don’t seem to have much confidence in Hart. Mee not at the races recently. Barnes and Wood is a proven strike force who somehow have still not started together this season!!
Lowton
Taylor
Gibson
Long
JBG (or Brady if JBG not back)
Defour
Cork
Lennon
Barnes
Wood
Defence don’t seem to have much confidence in Hart. Mee not at the races recently. Barnes and Wood is a proven strike force who somehow have still not started together this season!!
Re: Team for Palace
If I was Hart I'd have no confidence in the defence or midfield in stopping crosses coming in or providing much protection for him.MattBFC wrote:Heaton
Lowton
Taylor
Gibson
Long
JBG (or Brady if JBG not back)
Defour
Cork
Lennon
Barnes
Wood
Defence don’t seem to have much confidence in Hart. Mee not at the races recently. Barnes and Wood is a proven strike force who somehow have still not started together this season!!
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Re: Team for Palace
Heaton
Lowton, Long, Mee, Taylor
Lennon, Westwood, Defour, Hendrick, Brady
Wood
Or
Heaton
Lowton, Long, Mee
Lennon, Westwood, Defour, Hendrick, Brady
Vyagra, Wood
Whatever the eleven, we need five across the middle. The opposition are finding it too easy to advance play in our third, putting us under too much pressure.
Lowton, Long, Mee, Taylor
Lennon, Westwood, Defour, Hendrick, Brady
Wood
Or
Heaton
Lowton, Long, Mee
Lennon, Westwood, Defour, Hendrick, Brady
Vyagra, Wood
Whatever the eleven, we need five across the middle. The opposition are finding it too easy to advance play in our third, putting us under too much pressure.
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Re: Team for Palace
Hart as rush back goalie again, with any combination elsewhere on the pitch for the rest
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Re: Team for Palace
Heaton
Lowton
Mee
Gibson
Taylor
Defour
Westwood
Hendrick
JBG
Lennon
Vokes
Lowton
Mee
Gibson
Taylor
Defour
Westwood
Hendrick
JBG
Lennon
Vokes
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Re: Team for Palace
RVclaret wrote:How about we go back to the team that got us to 7th last season.
Hart
Lowton
Long
Taylor
JBG
Defour
Cork
Brady
Hendrick
Wood
Last season was tremendous but I don't think that we would have done it with playing 10 players.
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Re: Team for Palace
Not but it may give the defence some confidence in their keeper, and one of the things that's sadly missing, "organisation" because that's what last season was built on.NL Claret wrote:Will bringing Tom back turn Lowton, Taylor, Brady and Cork into PL players? Will Tom put some life into Defour's legs? I'm not so sure.
As mentioned in this thread and by myself yesterday afternoon. Shuffling deckchairs on the titanic.
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Re: Team for Palace
having seen last night we could go
Heaton
Lowton Mee Long Taylor
Lennon Defour HART Brady
Vokes Barnes
Heaton
Lowton Mee Long Taylor
Lennon Defour HART Brady
Vokes Barnes
Re: Team for Palace
There was some amateur defending for the goals last night. Watch the 1st , poor header from Wood and Mee waves a foot at shot that's going wide. Hart at fault?alwaysaclaret wrote:Not but it may give the defence some confidence in their keeper, and one of the things that's sadly missing, "organisation" because that's what last season was built on.
2nd , not sure what Brady is doing and you can hear a shout of get to the ball. It may have been Tom shouting from the bench? Lowton and Mee make half arsed attempts at heading / making a challenge. Is that down to Hart?
Hart is probably thinking why have I come to Burnley?
Re: Team for Palace
Heaton
Bardsley Lowton Long Gibson Mee Taylor
Westwood Hendrick Cork
Vydra
I think 6 3 1 will confuse Palace as we clearly park the bus and only lose 3 0
Bardsley Lowton Long Gibson Mee Taylor
Westwood Hendrick Cork
Vydra
I think 6 3 1 will confuse Palace as we clearly park the bus and only lose 3 0
Re: Team for Palace
4-1-4-1
Westwood to stay deep in front of the back four
Cork or Hendrick to play alongside Defour
McNeil instead of Lennon
--------Heaton
Lowton Long Mee Taylor
-------Westwood
JBG Defour Cork McNeil
--------Vokes
Westwood to stay deep in front of the back four
Cork or Hendrick to play alongside Defour
McNeil instead of Lennon
--------Heaton
Lowton Long Mee Taylor
-------Westwood
JBG Defour Cork McNeil
--------Vokes
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Re: Team for Palace
NL Claret wrote: Hart is probably thinking why have I come to Burnley?
Good question! Methinks the ‘fine print’ in his contact may provide the answer. IMHO Hart was a totally unnecessary ‘panic’ buy and may have caused a rift in the camp.
Re: Team for Palace
No fit goalkeeper in the camp is a 'panic' buy? Okay, there may be some logic in there.exilecanada wrote:Good question! Methinks the ‘fine print’ in his contact may provide the answer. IMHO Hart was a totally unnecessary ‘panic’ buy and may have caused a rift in the camp.
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Re: Team for Palace
Individually Hart has been fine but for whatever reason the defence isn't working as a unit so I'd make other changes at the back too - not just scapegoat the 'keeper
Heaton - hopefully improve communication/organisation
Bardsley - a better defender than Lowton and more of a physical presence
Long - been doing OK
Mee - marginal. Give him the benefit of the doubt on the basis that the defence is getting no protection through the centre of the pitch
Taylor - when will Ward be back?
Lennon
Cork - holding role in a central three - might give him a bit more time to play
Hendrick - drive, energy and more of a physical presence
Defour - surely at his best in a three
JBG
Vokes - poses some goal threat. Holds the ball up better than Wood - a better option if we wanted the wide players to get up and support
As others have rightly pointed out the 'units' are not combining at all. Hopefully a formation like that would reduce the distances and maybe enable us to get up the pitch more quickly making better use of the wide players as a genuine threat
It would also make a change of formation - by introducing Vydra for a CM - far less grating than our current substitutes which just seem to finally put to bed any semblance of a meaningful shape
I'd give Brady a complete break until he convinces the management team that he's physically capable of meeting the demands of the PL.
Heaton - hopefully improve communication/organisation
Bardsley - a better defender than Lowton and more of a physical presence
Long - been doing OK
Mee - marginal. Give him the benefit of the doubt on the basis that the defence is getting no protection through the centre of the pitch
Taylor - when will Ward be back?
Lennon
Cork - holding role in a central three - might give him a bit more time to play
Hendrick - drive, energy and more of a physical presence
Defour - surely at his best in a three
JBG
Vokes - poses some goal threat. Holds the ball up better than Wood - a better option if we wanted the wide players to get up and support
As others have rightly pointed out the 'units' are not combining at all. Hopefully a formation like that would reduce the distances and maybe enable us to get up the pitch more quickly making better use of the wide players as a genuine threat
It would also make a change of formation - by introducing Vydra for a CM - far less grating than our current substitutes which just seem to finally put to bed any semblance of a meaningful shape
I'd give Brady a complete break until he convinces the management team that he's physically capable of meeting the demands of the PL.
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Re: Team for Palace
Same as ashtonlongsider.ashtonlongsider wrote:I'm not going to predict the team as in all likelihood it will be the same predictable 4-4-2. However the defence is the main achilles heal at present and I for one would certainly bring Heaton back in before it's too late. Not for one minute suggesting he's better than Hart but he's better for us than Hart.
Well put Sir.
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Re: Team for Palace
Has to start vydra for his pace. People can defend so high against us knowing there’s no threat in behind, and knowing if they squeeze up as a team we will give them the ball back. Has to be an outball over the top into the channels to help us move forward as a team and get out.
Re: Team for Palace
It’s similar to a game of cards really. If you are dealt a bad hand, you can shuffle them around all you like but the outcome will still be the same.
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Re: Team for Palace
Agree on the organisation, but Pope was in goal for most of the season so don't know for sure that Heaton is the answer.alwaysaclaret wrote:Not but it may give the defence some confidence in their keeper, and one of the things that's sadly missing, "organisation" because that's what last season was built on.