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Wood or Gray
Why?
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Re: Wood or Gray
They are both constantly offside.
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Re: Wood or Gray
Wood. Going through a lean spell but that will end.
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If the task involved a bag of cement and trapping it, neither.
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Re: Wood or Gray
No question Gray. By some distance
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Re: Wood or Gray
Let me think. One is the guy who scores goals, and the other one is Wood?
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Re: Wood or Gray
To be fair Gray has scored less goals for Watford than Wood has for us. Gray, however, has banged in loads more than Chris Wood in his career, and is the same age.
Re: Wood or Gray
I think we could easily sell Wood in January, probably to Cardiff.
Then we can buy another striker, and most likely turn him from a good footballer into a non-footballer. Rinse and repeat.
Then we can buy another striker, and most likely turn him from a good footballer into a non-footballer. Rinse and repeat.
Re: Wood or Gray
Wood ....
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Gray...just.
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Re: Wood or Gray
And which strikers have we turned from a good footballer into a non-footballer out of interest?ksrclaret wrote:I think we could easily sell Wood in January, probably to Cardiff.
Then we can buy another striker, and most likely turn him from a good footballer into a non-footballer. Rinse and repeat.
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Re: Wood or Gray
When we sold Gray I expected us to go a striker rather than another centre-forward.
We already had two big CFs in Barnes and Vokes, we needed another option up front, one with pace and control who is happy with the ball at his feet.
We already had two big CFs in Barnes and Vokes, we needed another option up front, one with pace and control who is happy with the ball at his feet.
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Re: Wood or Gray
The two strikers that can be found in the subject of this thread.Rileybobs wrote:And which strikers have we turned from a good footballer into a non-footballer out of interest?
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Re: Wood or Gray
Mmm. Is this the same Gray who became the top scorer in the Championship after joining us?ksrclaret wrote:The two strikers that can be found in the subject of this thread.
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Pace - even for a player of limited technical ability (Gray, no disrespect) always a threat. From a CB perspective you can't turn-off for a second otherwise you are out of the game. Wood, technically better and a more assured finisher but easier to manage/contain. At the highest level an easier threat to nullify. Did better last season when we played to his strengths but not a player who can pose and individual threat, however limited, in the same way as Gray.
Both lower-end PL/top-end Championship. If we survive this season and are serious about sticking around we need better.
Both lower-end PL/top-end Championship. If we survive this season and are serious about sticking around we need better.
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To be fair that's complete bullshiteksrclaret wrote:The two strikers that can be found in the subject of this thread.
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Re: Wood or Gray
Yes, that's the one. Do you know him as well?Rileybobs wrote:Mmm. Is this the same Gray who became the top scorer in the Championship after joining us?
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Worth bearing in mind, before completely turning on one of our players, that Wood scored 10 goals in 24 Premier League appearances last season, which I expect is the best strike rate of any Burnley player in the top flight for a long time. He's bang out of form, but stop being fickle children and get behind him.
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So explain how exactly buying a player who then becomes the Championship's top scorer is making him a 'non-footballer' (whatever that means). Is it possible that Gray's rapid rise through the divisions could have culminated with him playing slightly above his level?ksrclaret wrote:Yes, that's the one. Do you know him as well?
Edit - and seeing as Wood's return last season as posted in my previous post also disproves your point would you care to list any other good strikers who we have bought and turned into 'non footballers'?
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Re: Wood or Gray
When Gray first arrived I thought he was the bees knees. When he left I was delighted.
When Wood first arrived I thought he was the bees knees and never thought I would ask this question
Seems like most agree with me
When Wood first arrived I thought he was the bees knees and never thought I would ask this question
Seems like most agree with me
Re: Wood or Gray
I never thought I would prefer any striker to Gray but Wood is crap, constantly offside and IMO lazy.
Today several times in the first half he ran (slowly) towards Ryan when in possession, and pulled up about 3 yards off him. What a waste of energy! He's really not good enough for the Premier league.
Having said all that I still think Gray is poor, just better than Wood though
Today several times in the first half he ran (slowly) towards Ryan when in possession, and pulled up about 3 yards off him. What a waste of energy! He's really not good enough for the Premier league.
Having said all that I still think Gray is poor, just better than Wood though
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Just think of what £15 million would buy you.
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Re: Wood or Gray
In terms of top PL strikers...not a lot, Tim.tim_noone wrote:Just think of what £15 million would buy you.
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One of Wood's biggest critics but the lad is trying his hardest, possibly too hard at times and that's why things
go pear shaped occasionally ... He is wearing a Claret shirt let's get behind him and see what a bit of confidence
can do to a striker ....
go pear shaped occasionally ... He is wearing a Claret shirt let's get behind him and see what a bit of confidence
can do to a striker ....
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Watching Gray play football for us was painful. Bad first touch after bad first touch, balls bouncing off him and flying off into the stands. Granted he was a good goal scorer when in put in the right position, but bloody hell he was rubbish everywhere else.Rileybobs wrote:So explain how exactly buying a player who then becomes the Championship's top scorer is making him a 'non-footballer' (whatever that means). Is it possible that Gray's rapid rise through the divisions could have culminated with him playing slightly above his level?
Edit - and seeing as Wood's return last season as posted in my previous post also disproves your point would you care to list any other good strikers who we have bought and turned into 'non footballers'?
Wood is heading the same way, some of his touches and passes today were just not befitting of a professional footballer. Heavy, laboured, and no technique. Is it a coincidence that these two have both gone the same way after looking good at their previous clubs? I don't believe so.
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It's not a coincidence, it's because their previous clubs play at a lower level.ksrclaret wrote:Watching Gray play football for us was painful. Bad first touch after bad first touch, balls bouncing off him and flying off into the stands. Granted he was a good goal scorer when in put in the right position, but bloody hell he was rubbish everywhere else.
Wood is heading the same way, some of his touches and passes today were just not befitting of a professional footballer. Heavy, laboured, and no technique. Is it a coincidence that these two have both gone the same way after looking good at their previous clubs? I don't believe so.
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Gray was rubbish at the above in the Championship, also.Rileybobs wrote:It's not a coincidence, it's because their previous clubs play at a lower level.
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Am I missing the point or is there some serious revisionism going on here?
Gray was phenomenal for us at Championship level and had been previously for Brentford - a club of much more limited means than us. I know one of his coaches from his days at Hinckley who described him as 'raw' even at that level. However he also said he's never worked with a player who had such a relentless desire to succeed or belief in his own ability.
His first PL season for us shows that can take you a long way.
It seems there's a tendency to talk down all of our strikers but what some people seem to conveniently forget is that for the most part they feed off scraps. We create very little for them. It's not like being Andrew Cole at Manchester United where you can be one of the most prolific strikers in the league despite a goal to chance conversion rate of 1/6
Gray was phenomenal for us at Championship level and had been previously for Brentford - a club of much more limited means than us. I know one of his coaches from his days at Hinckley who described him as 'raw' even at that level. However he also said he's never worked with a player who had such a relentless desire to succeed or belief in his own ability.
His first PL season for us shows that can take you a long way.
It seems there's a tendency to talk down all of our strikers but what some people seem to conveniently forget is that for the most part they feed off scraps. We create very little for them. It's not like being Andrew Cole at Manchester United where you can be one of the most prolific strikers in the league despite a goal to chance conversion rate of 1/6
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So we didn’t turn him into a ‘non-footballer’ then?ksrclaret wrote:Gray was rubbish at the above in the Championship, also.
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I agree, I am guilty of talking them down, but the real problem is what you've highlighted above.EarbyClaret wrote:It seems there's a tendency to talk down all of our strikers but what some people seem to conveniently forget is that for the most part they feed off scraps. We create very little for them.
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Gray, excellent in the championship, very average at PL level
Wood, excellent in the championship, very average at PL level
Wood, excellent in the championship, very average at PL level
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I'm afraid we did. Or rather, our style of play did, as he had no opportunity to practice.Rileybobs wrote:So we didn’t turn him into a ‘non-footballer’ then?
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What a load of toss. We signed 2 strikers who were playing at Championship level and they aren’t as prolific at Premier League level, big shock.ksrclaret wrote:I'm afraid we did. Or rather, our style of play did, as he had no opportunity to practice.
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Also the same Gray who we flogged to Watford for 18 million.Rileybobs wrote:Mmm. Is this the same Gray who became the top scorer in the Championship after joining us?
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Good point. Oh hang on, I wasn't talking about how prolific they are. Doh.Rileybobs wrote:What a load of toss. We signed 2 strikers who were playing at Championship level and they aren’t as prolific at Premier League level, big shock.
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Stop digging and just admit that you were chatting ******** when you intimated that we sign good strikers and turn them into bad ones.ksrclaret wrote:Good point. Oh hang on, I wasn't talking about how prolific they are. Doh.
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You should have given up long before you had to resort to something as silly as that.ksrclaret wrote:I'm afraid we did. Or rather, our style of play did, as he had no opportunity to practice.
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Watch your blood pressure Riley, it's only a game.Rileybobs wrote:Stop digging and just admit that you were chatting ******** when you intimated that we sign good strikers and turn them into bad ones.
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Re: Wood or Gray
Different players, different people.
Wood lacks confidence, Gray was arrogant, not in a nasty way.
Gray is a hare, Wood is a tortoise.
They shouldn't be compared in reality.
Wood is a good player, he's just having a hard time recently. Most of the stick he gets is due to the fact SD keeps picking him to start. If we didn't have other options on the bench you could understand it, but we do. If your food tastes bad, you blame the chef not the food.
Wood lacks confidence, Gray was arrogant, not in a nasty way.
Gray is a hare, Wood is a tortoise.
They shouldn't be compared in reality.
Wood is a good player, he's just having a hard time recently. Most of the stick he gets is due to the fact SD keeps picking him to start. If we didn't have other options on the bench you could understand it, but we do. If your food tastes bad, you blame the chef not the food.
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Wood needs to watch his old goal videos, some tidy finishing - his confidence is obviously shot to ****
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Chicken pox is fairly harmless and plenty of research suggests it may even be a beneficial infection to contract in terms of developing a healthy and immune system.boatshed bill wrote:Chicken Pox or Measles?
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Don't we have a form for this re: Vydra ( and poss Bamford?).Ric_C wrote:Gray, excellent in the championship, very average at PL level
Wood, excellent in the championship, very average at PL level
It's unlikely we will attract any other half decent championship striker, CF.
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Re: Wood or Gray
We have a better player then both who's sitting on our bench probably scratching his head.
Sam Vokes.
Sam Vokes.
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Re: Wood or Gray
Why are people writing off Wood when he was brilliant for us last season?
11 goals in 26 matches was fantastic.
Gray got 5 in 33.
Seems the vast majority on this thread haven't got a clue when it comes to the difficulty in buying a striker who can score 10 goals or more in the Prem.
Virtually impossible unless you play for a top six club. Last season only Vardy , Wood and Murray did that.
11 goals in 26 matches was fantastic.
Gray got 5 in 33.
Seems the vast majority on this thread haven't got a clue when it comes to the difficulty in buying a striker who can score 10 goals or more in the Prem.
Virtually impossible unless you play for a top six club. Last season only Vardy , Wood and Murray did that.
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To be fair it’s ksrclaret it’s what he does, we won yesterday therefore he has to target something else with his stupiditytaio wrote:To be fair that's complete bullshite
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Wood was poor yesterday such a lazy player
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Gray by a mile . He wasn’t scared of putting a shift in and he was often left with the merest If scraps to feed off. He was a good finisher too and was quicker than Wood . As for Wood I really want to like the guy but he walks in the shadows of giants like Juke Vossen, Hennings and “ Marvellous “ Marvin Sordell IMO
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I would add though that last yr he had a v good ratio so it’s not that he can’t finish . I genuinely thought Vydra had been bought to play with him ? As he needs balls on the ground and down the middle I’d say .