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7/2 for a Grand National favourite?
I've just had a quick look at the ante post betting for the National and seen the favourite Tiger Roll is 7/2 to win in the betting.
Smashing horse that won it last year and probably will this year, but it's the shortest odds I've ever seen in the race with 40 runners.
Usually 8/1 for the favourite
Smashing horse that won it last year and probably will this year, but it's the shortest odds I've ever seen in the race with 40 runners.
Usually 8/1 for the favourite
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Re: 7/2 for a Grand National favourite?
GN really is a tough one ; humongous field, huge track massive jumps = so many variables.....
Incidentally I had Tiger Roll on last year, agreed he really is a special horse.
His most recent victory @ Cheltenham was brilliant to watch.
Incidentally I had Tiger Roll on last year, agreed he really is a special horse.
His most recent victory @ Cheltenham was brilliant to watch.
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Re: 7/2 for a Grand National favourite?
Goes to show how many people are throwing money at it... the Bookies must be dreading it winning againQuickenthetempo wrote:I've just had a quick look at the ante post betting for the National and seen the favourite Tiger Roll is 7/2 to win in the betting.
Smashing horse that won it last year and probably will this year, but it's the shortest odds I've ever seen in the race with 40 runners.
Usually 8/1 for the favourite
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Re: 7/2 for a Grand National favourite?
Reducing the fences slightly has give the owners far more confidence their prized horses can get round safely and come home, this has led to far more classier horses being entered, which is great.CoolClaret wrote:GN really is a tough one ; humongous field, huge track massive jumps = so many variables.....
Incidentally I had Tiger Roll on last year, agreed he really is a special horse.
His most recent victory @ Cheltenham was brilliant to watch.
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Re: 7/2 for a Grand National favourite?
Yeah good point mate, it's an incredible spectacle no doubt.Quickenthetempo wrote:Reducing the fences slightly has give the owners far more confidence their prized horses can get round safely and come home, this has led to far more classier horses being entered, which is great.
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Re: 7/2 for a Grand National favourite?
Absolutely ridiculous odds for such a race.. Anybody taking 7/2 is throwing their money away as it won't win.. You heard it here first ..Don't waste your money on it..
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Re: 7/2 for a Grand National favourite?
ive backed it already. will walk it
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Re: 7/2 for a Grand National favourite?
I agree on the odds being ridiculous but what makes you think it won't win the race?conyoviejo wrote:Absolutely ridiculous odds for such a race.. Anybody taking 7/2 is throwing their money away as it won't win.. You heard it here first ..Don't waste your money on it..
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Re: 7/2 for a Grand National favourite?
I'm afraid your money is down the drain PP..pushpinpussy wrote:ive backed it already. will walk it
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Re: 7/2 for a Grand National favourite?
Simply it will fall.Quickenthetempo wrote:I agree on the odds being ridiculous but what makes you think it won't win the race?
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Re: 7/2 for a Grand National favourite?
The favourite has won 5 times since 1994.
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Re: 7/2 for a Grand National favourite?
conyoviejo wrote:I'm afraid your money is down the drain PP..
what you backing then
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Re: 7/2 for a Grand National favourite?
20/1 on the 25thJan
Re: 7/2 for a Grand National favourite?
I agree, it will either be pulled up or fall as it had a hard race @ Cheltenham n the national is coming to soon for it to go in again.conyoviejo wrote:Absolutely ridiculous odds for such a race.. Anybody taking 7/2 is throwing their money away as it won't win.. You heard it here first ..Don't waste your money on it..
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Re: 7/2 for a Grand National favourite?
Not sure PP. will wait to see what the going is like before wasting my money ..pushpinpussy wrote:what you backing then
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Re: 7/2 for a Grand National favourite?
Don't think it will do much if it is walking.pushpinpussy wrote:ive backed it already. will walk it
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Re: 7/2 for a Grand National favourite?
If it stays up itl **** it
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Re: 7/2 for a Grand National favourite?
Hard race???Claretuk wrote:I agree, it will either be pulled up or fall as it had a hard race @ Cheltenham n the national is coming to soon for it to go in again.
It coasted round and won by 30 lengths.
Re: 7/2 for a Grand National favourite?
I tried a five home win accumulator all against and I lost 3 of the bets.
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Re: 7/2 for a Grand National favourite?
A mate of ours, who reckons he does quite well backing the gee-gees, wouldn't touch the Grand National with Pstotto's.
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Re: 7/2 for a Grand National favourite?
I couldn't win a one ticket raffle, so I don't even bother.
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Re: 7/2 for a Grand National favourite?
I backed Vintage Clouds EW at 50/1 back in October last year. Hoping for a repeat of when I backed Rubstic at 66/1 and 50/1 months before the race many years ago.
Need a couple of horses to come out to get a run otherwise it's stakes refunded.
If VC doesn't run will leave the race alone since Gordon Elliott is planning to run his entire stable in the race to land the pot.
Need a couple of horses to come out to get a run otherwise it's stakes refunded.
If VC doesn't run will leave the race alone since Gordon Elliott is planning to run his entire stable in the race to land the pot.
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Re: 7/2 for a Grand National favourite?
Claretuk wrote:I agree, it will either be pulled up or fall as it had a hard race @ Cheltenham n the national is coming to soon for it to go in again.
He had a canter round in a half paced race, where they're always on the turn........ the same race he ran in last year before winning the national. Only difference - last year's race at Cheltenham was classier.
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Re: 7/2 for a Grand National favourite?
It's true it's a ridiculously short price, however imo it's still the one to beat this year.
Tiger Roll if anything is a better horse this season than when it won last years race. Also it's nearly 3/4 of a stone "well in" in the weights, which were handed out before Tiger Roll coasted to an easy victory in Ireland in February. The confirmation of Bristol De Mai declared as a runner means Tiger Roll will retain its weight. If Bristol De Mai had come out Tiger Roll would have gone up in the weights around another 5 lbs at least
It's the 1st time in some years that a returning defending champion hasn't been allocated top weight to my knowledge
The run and subsequent victory was even easier and probably lighter on the horse than when winning the cross country at Cheltenham this year. It was the only reason I didn't back it last year as I thought the tough race in the cross country might have taken too much out of him. I was wrong.
As for falling,Tiger Roll from my memory hasn't fallen so far. The make up of the Aintree fences since 2012 has meant a very high percentage of those not competing the course are actually pulled up as opposed to actually falling, so if anything the task is now easier,which in turn means better quality horses are now in the final 40 declared
A couple I have backed e/w a number of weeks back and imo are worth noting are Rathvinden (backed at 28/1) and Minella Rocco (backed at 33/1) , the latter being well weighted for the race
Tiger Roll if anything is a better horse this season than when it won last years race. Also it's nearly 3/4 of a stone "well in" in the weights, which were handed out before Tiger Roll coasted to an easy victory in Ireland in February. The confirmation of Bristol De Mai declared as a runner means Tiger Roll will retain its weight. If Bristol De Mai had come out Tiger Roll would have gone up in the weights around another 5 lbs at least
It's the 1st time in some years that a returning defending champion hasn't been allocated top weight to my knowledge
The run and subsequent victory was even easier and probably lighter on the horse than when winning the cross country at Cheltenham this year. It was the only reason I didn't back it last year as I thought the tough race in the cross country might have taken too much out of him. I was wrong.
As for falling,Tiger Roll from my memory hasn't fallen so far. The make up of the Aintree fences since 2012 has meant a very high percentage of those not competing the course are actually pulled up as opposed to actually falling, so if anything the task is now easier,which in turn means better quality horses are now in the final 40 declared
A couple I have backed e/w a number of weeks back and imo are worth noting are Rathvinden (backed at 28/1) and Minella Rocco (backed at 33/1) , the latter being well weighted for the race
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Re: 7/2 for a Grand National favourite?
Your latter is also my selection for the race - I have quite liked his last 2 runs in their own way.
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Re: 7/2 for a Grand National favourite?
It definitely is if its going to walk!conyoviejo wrote:I'm afraid your money is down the drain PP..
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Re: 7/2 for a Grand National favourite?
Don't see Wilde Blue Yonder in the ante-post lists Dan ?dandeclaret wrote:Your latter is also my selection for the race - I have quite liked his last 2 runs in their own way.
Two cracking runs recently.
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Re: 7/2 for a Grand National favourite?
While i wont profess to be an expert on horses. One thing i dont do is listen to grand national 'tips' or form or odds.
Its the one race where going with a name or a hunch is probably a better strategy than anything else.
Its the one race where going with a name or a hunch is probably a better strategy than anything else.
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Re: 7/2 for a Grand National favourite?
It's not actually a lottery that people seem to think it is. Theres a list of trends available on the internet for the big race. Out of the 10 or so stat trends you will find since the turn of this century that all previous winners will meet at least 8 of the trends statedcricketfieldclarets wrote:While i wont profess to be an expert on horses. One thing i dont do is listen to grand national 'tips' or form or odds.
Its the one race where going with a name or a hunch is probably a better strategy than anything else.
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Re: 7/2 for a Grand National favourite?
So still a lottery.THEWELLERNUT70 wrote:It's not actually a lottery that people seem to think it is. Theres a list of trends available on the internet for the big race. Out of the 10 or so stat trends you will find since the turn of this century that all previous winners will meet at least 8 of the trends stated
How many horses meet that trend? 3? 10?
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Re: 7/2 for a Grand National favourite?
https://myracing.com/grand-national-trends-2019/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: 7/2 for a Grand National favourite?
Not really when you can in all likelihood discount around at least 50-60% of the field before the race even startscricketfieldclarets wrote:So still a lottery.
How many horses meet that trend? 3? 10?
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Re: 7/2 for a Grand National favourite?
It's a bit like betting on the premind league winner. 20 enter but you can discount 14 straight away.cricketfieldclarets wrote:So still a lottery.
How many horses meet that trend? 3? 10?
But every now and then a Leicester might win it.
Re: 7/2 for a Grand National favourite?
I think Red Rum was 7-2 in 1975. Didn't win, though.
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Re: 7/2 for a Grand National favourite?
Royboyclaret wrote:Don't see Wilde Blue Yonder in the ante-post lists Dan ?
Two cracking runs recently.
He's been in great form Royboy..... heart rate was high on Friday when he loomed up. Just doesn't get 3 miles, but important for us to find out as all the veterans races are over that trip. 133 he was running off on Friday as a 10 year old, he's still full of enthusiasm, and still has a touch of class.
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Re: 7/2 for a Grand National favourite?
It was the previous run that particularly impressed me, was it Haydock ?dandeclaret wrote:He's been in great form Royboy..... heart rate was high on Friday when he loomed up. Just doesn't get 3 miles, but important for us to find out as all the veterans races are over that trip. 133 he was running off on Friday as a 10 year old, he's still full of enthusiasm, and still has a touch of class.
Looked to have have timed his run perfectly to win the race.
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Re: 7/2 for a Grand National favourite?
Just a little info on Tiger Roll
"Tiger Roll's second race for his new owner and trainer was the Triumph Hurdle at the Cheltenham Festival in March 2014. Ridden by Davy Russell, he won by 3¼ lengths. This was the first of four victories at the Cheltenham Festival, the other three being the National Hunt Chase Challenge Cup in March 2017 with jockey Lisa O’Neill, and the Glenfarclas Cross Country Chase in March 2018 and March 2019 with jockey Keith Donoghue. By the time of his second win in the Glenfarcas Cross Country Chase he had won a total of eleven races and not fallen once in 34 starts."
"Tiger Roll's second race for his new owner and trainer was the Triumph Hurdle at the Cheltenham Festival in March 2014. Ridden by Davy Russell, he won by 3¼ lengths. This was the first of four victories at the Cheltenham Festival, the other three being the National Hunt Chase Challenge Cup in March 2017 with jockey Lisa O’Neill, and the Glenfarclas Cross Country Chase in March 2018 and March 2019 with jockey Keith Donoghue. By the time of his second win in the Glenfarcas Cross Country Chase he had won a total of eleven races and not fallen once in 34 starts."
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Re: 7/2 for a Grand National favourite?
Wellernut,To me Stats don't mean nothing in the National ,loose horses taking horses out,horses falling in front of other horses bringing them down..jockey mistakes etc all come into play with the size of the national field.. Tiger Roll may well win but I feel it's such a lottery that the 7/2 odds they are offering are disgusting for a race like this with all that can go wrong.. If Tiger Roll gets round then I will admit he has a great chance of winning..I just have this feeling that he will fall ..Hope I'm wrong though as it will be a great achievment to win it again.. Good luck with your bets ..THEWELLERNUT70 wrote:Just a little info on Tiger Roll
"Tiger Roll's second race for his new owner and trainer was the Triumph Hurdle at the Cheltenham Festival in March 2014. Ridden by Davy Russell, he won by 3¼ lengths. This was the first of four victories at the Cheltenham Festival, the other three being the National Hunt Chase Challenge Cup in March 2017 with jockey Lisa O’Neill, and the Glenfarclas Cross Country Chase in March 2018 and March 2019 with jockey Keith Donoghue. By the time of his second win in the Glenfarcas Cross Country Chase he had won a total of eleven races and not fallen once in 34 starts."
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Re: 7/2 for a Grand National favourite?
I heard a quote from somebody within racing that the modifications to the course and the fences have turned the Grand National into the lottery that everybody always assumed it to be.
Many horses complete the course now, even horses with a history of falling, and the fact that a horse has never fallen is not as relevant as it once was.
Many horses complete the course now, even horses with a history of falling, and the fact that a horse has never fallen is not as relevant as it once was.
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Re: 7/2 for a Grand National favourite?
Not into horses racing but might have a flutter but only on the day so that most of the drop outs will have dropped out.
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Re: 7/2 for a Grand National favourite?
Here's a list of past winners. Price and winning times etc
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of ... al_winners" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of ... al_winners" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: 7/2 for a Grand National favourite?
Update
Indications are that Bristol De Mai will miss the 5 day declaration stage for the Grand National and opt to run in the Betway Bowl on Thursday instead. This means that Annibale Fly will now be allocated top weight of 11st 10lbs and Tiger Roll is also upped 4lbs and now shoulders 11st 5lbs
Indications are that Bristol De Mai will miss the 5 day declaration stage for the Grand National and opt to run in the Betway Bowl on Thursday instead. This means that Annibale Fly will now be allocated top weight of 11st 10lbs and Tiger Roll is also upped 4lbs and now shoulders 11st 5lbs
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Re: 7/2 for a Grand National favourite?
Are there any grey horses running? I remember my excitement when Nicholas Silver won.
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Re: 7/2 for a Grand National favourite?
1/ Chase runs at least 10
2/ Age 8 to 11
3/ Season Runs 3 or more
4/ Days since last run 20-60
5/ 3m chase wins at least 1
6/ Weight up to 11st 6lb
7/ Season Fall no more than 1
8/ Career Fall no more than 2
9/ Biggest Chase win over 30k
These are the list of trends I mentioned further up this thread which should help whittle the field down
2/ Age 8 to 11
3/ Season Runs 3 or more
4/ Days since last run 20-60
5/ 3m chase wins at least 1
6/ Weight up to 11st 6lb
7/ Season Fall no more than 1
8/ Career Fall no more than 2
9/ Biggest Chase win over 30k
These are the list of trends I mentioned further up this thread which should help whittle the field down
Re: 7/2 for a Grand National favourite?
Nah, just stick a pin in..THEWELLERNUT70 wrote:1/ Chase runs at least 10
2/ Age 8 to 11
3/ Season Runs 3 or more
4/ Days since last run 20-60
5/ 3m chase wins at least 1
6/ Weight up to 11st 6lb
7/ Season Fall no more than 1
8/ Career Fall no more than 2
9/ Biggest Chase win over 30k
These are the list of trends I mentioned further up this thread which should help whittle the field down
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Re: 7/2 for a Grand National favourite?
Come back to us when you have done it and just give us the horses name(s)THEWELLERNUT70 wrote:1/ Chase runs at least 10
2/ Age 8 to 11
3/ Season Runs 3 or more
4/ Days since last run 20-60
5/ 3m chase wins at least 1
6/ Weight up to 11st 6lb
7/ Season Fall no more than 1
8/ Career Fall no more than 2
9/ Biggest Chase win over 30k
These are the list of trends I mentioned further up this thread which should help whittle the field down
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Re: 7/2 for a Grand National favourite?
Has to carry even more weight now too
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Re: 7/2 for a Grand National favourite?
Already have done, see further upGoobs wrote:Come back to us when you have done it and just give us the horses name(s)
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Re: 7/2 for a Grand National favourite?
THEWELLERNUT70 wrote:Already have done, see further up
Im on Minella Rocco too, might throw a bit more at it on the day if bet365 do the 50% cashback offer like last few years
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Re: 7/2 for a Grand National favourite?
A cracking run down, rating and pros and cons for each runner in the National
https://www.racingtv.com/news/runner-by ... d-national" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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