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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Spiral » Fri Mar 29, 2019 7:13 pm

Elizabeth wrote:I remember you spiral from a month or so ago. I don't come on regularly so to remember you is indeed memorable.
Unfortunately for all the wrong reasons.
When I posted then I remember telling you that your little 'innocuous', questions were an obvious trap.
You denied this and even went on to say you never insulted posters. Shortly before you insulted me.
I only deserved that because I have to ashamedly say I teased with you.
But what do you do with a poster like you?
It is no business of yours why I voted in whatever way I did
I apologise to other reasonable posters for such a shitty way to respond but rest assured I feel I was driven to it.
That's what a house of cards falling down looks like. By the way, one of Ringo's alternative accounts, in which it was claimed 'she' voted remain "but would now vote leave" a good while back, for those out of the loop. Basic astroturfing gone wrong by forgetting that the account was conceived under the pretence of a remain voter 'respecting democracy', but massively over-egged it with the brexiteer rhetoric. There isn't a remain voter in the country as vociferously in favour of leaving as 'Elizabeth', and aside from the fact a person's reasons for voting one way or the other are nobody else's business but their own (I'll give Elizabeth that much), 'her' inability to give a straight answer coupled with, to put it politely, the continuity errors erodes any benefit of the doubt that might otherwise have been afforded to any other trolling account.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by nil_desperandum » Fri Mar 29, 2019 7:14 pm

Elizabeth wrote:Ooh right. The Conservative party are split. Then it's lucky for some party. But who? Don't think Labour.

OK to address your point. You may be right and the PM, whoever it is, won't call a General Election.
Then again you may be wrong and with Labour MPs so clearly showing themselves for what they are today I hope its not too big a shock for you if the Tories decide now is the time when it's fresh in voters minds to call a General Election
I'm waiting for the new Conservative leader to be announced before arguing with you further.
Ok, but the Tories gambled once - 2017 - and lost. They were relatively united at that point, (all standing on a vague "brexit means brexit" platform), but they're almost impossibly divided now, so it would be an incredible gamble for them to go the country again, especially as if they lost just a few seats, they could accidentally pave the way for a Corbyn / SNP coalition, which would be their worst nightmare.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Elizabeth » Fri Mar 29, 2019 7:19 pm

Spiral, I don't have to say anything. Such a rambling self justification almost bordering on sexism

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by martin_p » Fri Mar 29, 2019 7:25 pm

Elizabeth wrote:Spiral, I don't have to say anything. Such a rambling self justification almost bordering on sexism
Transphobia rather than sexism surely?

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by nil_desperandum » Fri Mar 29, 2019 7:26 pm

summitclaret wrote:No its not. The government accepted the Snell amendment so a CU would have been just as likely if she had voted yes. The WA is needed for all options except revoke
You're correct, but unfortunately May has gone back on her promises on so many occasions that there's a complete breakdown in trust between her and her OWN MPs - let alone the opposition.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by summitclaret » Fri Mar 29, 2019 7:34 pm

martin_p wrote:What, once May had resigned and a Brexit nutter had taken over? Yeah right!
Brexit supporters aren't nutters.

Assuming no GE the same mps are there and that amendments says that the HOC decides. So what's the problem other than Raab is a man that puts Brexit before his career ( he resigned when he saw the way may and civil servants had stitched up the backstop etc)

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Elizabeth » Fri Mar 29, 2019 7:34 pm

I should have mentioned Spiral that you need to look at the voting record of Labour MP, Caroline Flint. Maybe you won't but be sure to know before the next time you insult me that she is a remain supporting Labour MP who continues to back the PMs deal.
The reason?
Similar to mine. She puts backing her constituents wishes in front of her personal and political ambitions.
But then again we do differ. I am someone in the later years of her life. I am political now because there are not many other pleasures left to me. Don't even go there you fool.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by elwaclaret » Fri Mar 29, 2019 7:47 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:Ok, but the Tories gambled once - 2017 - and lost. They were relatively united at that point, (all standing on a vague "brexit means brexit" platform), but they're almost impossibly divided now, so it would be an incredible gamble for them to go the country again, especially as if they lost just a few seats, they could accidentally pave the way for a Corbyn / SNP coalition, which would be their worst nightmare.
What makes you think Corbyn or the SNP will even approach the level of support they got last election?

The Labour party is as split as the Tory party, over 50% of Scotland did not vote SNP last time, and many who didn't bother are hardly impressed with their domestic record. Once the dust settles Corbyn may well lose the national socialist support that is his bedrock both within the party at large and at the polling station. Give it a couple of weeks and there will never be a better time to challenge for Labour leadership owt about May's.

If I were a tory I may be tempted to get her out having sorted who your "face" will be, get a party line and hit fire on another snap election. Like a say a lot of left-wing Brexit resentment and the right of the party may see the chance to get the middle ground back... but too late for the election.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Spiral » Fri Mar 29, 2019 7:59 pm

Elizabeth wrote:Spiral, I don't have to say anything. Such a rambling self justification almost bordering on sexism
Only a person with utter ambivalence towards sexism would make a spurious and frankly laughable accusation of sexism, thus undermining true accusations of sexism, to further an argument on the internet.

And you'll never guess who fits that criteria!

(Can't possibly be the bloke who ends his posts by calling, by and large, assumed men, "ladies", can it?)

You're doing a terrible job of convincing everyone you're not Ringo, Ringo.
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Caballo » Fri Mar 29, 2019 8:03 pm

Migrants from the EU contribute £2,300 more to the exchequer each year in net terms than the average adult, the analysis for the government has found.
And, over their lifetimes, they pay in £78,000 more than they take out in public services and benefits - while the average UK citizen’s net lifetime contribution is zero.
To the exchequer yes, to the wider economy? Further to that, would the exchequer gain more if wages were allowed to reach their true level without the oversupply of labour? Does it also factor in the net loss to the DWP by indigenous youngster never being able to up skill and therefore move away from benefits supported working?
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Tall Paul » Fri Mar 29, 2019 8:03 pm

Spijed wrote:But people said we should leave the EU so we can have full control of our immigration policy.

Considering we DO have full control of immigration of people from outside the EU why are things going to be different in future if we leave the EU?
We've done this discussion with Jakub before. Like most discussions with him, it usually ends with massive logical inconsistencies and an excuse to leave the thread until later.
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Lancasterclaret » Fri Mar 29, 2019 8:08 pm

Oh, and Vote Leave has dropped its appeal against being found guilty of multiple offences of electoral law

https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/11 ... 5081226240" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Its been a terrible day for Brexit all round it has to be said.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Greenmile » Fri Mar 29, 2019 8:10 pm

Elizabeth wrote:Ah Lancaster, the poster who pretends he is playing out with the kids or is at football or some other hobby to kid people he has a life.
Yet is usually the first to break any news or respond to posts that don't support his agenda (mainly if it appears to favour Brexit which he pretends he is for
Uncalled for, weirdly personal, nothing to do with the topic at hand.

I've changed my mind - you're definitely Ringo. Fair play though, you had me for a while with this (sort-of, relatively) nice remainer persona.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by BennyD » Fri Mar 29, 2019 8:12 pm

Sounds very eloquent and factually correct. She should be the EU president or UK PM.

https://youtu.be/63IcW4eo4uM" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by martin_p » Fri Mar 29, 2019 8:13 pm

BennyD wrote:Sounds very eloquent and factually correct. She should be the EU president or UK PM.

https://youtu.be/63IcW4eo4uM" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Do we really want a racist homophobe as PM?

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by nil_desperandum » Fri Mar 29, 2019 8:14 pm

elwaclaret wrote:What makes you think Corbyn or the SNP will even approach the level of support they got last election?
I never made any such claim. My point was that with the Tories in total disarray they would be unlikely to ask for an election, because the result is hard to predict.
FWIW, I think that the Tories would struggle to hang on to the seats that they won in Scotland in 2017, (i.e. the ones that kept them in govt.) because they've treated the Scots with nothing but contempt since they got a foothold up there.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by nil_desperandum » Fri Mar 29, 2019 8:16 pm

BennyD wrote:Sounds very eloquent and factually correct. She should be the EU president or UK PM.

https://youtu.be/63IcW4eo4uM" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Yes electing a German fascist as "leader" is going to turn out really well for the continent isn't it.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Tall Paul » Fri Mar 29, 2019 8:17 pm

Greenmile wrote:Uncalled for, weirdly personal, nothing to do with the topic at hand.

I've changed my mind - you're definitely Ringo. Fair play though, you had me for a while with this (sort-of, relatively) nice remainer persona.
The spelling, punctuation and grammar is far too good to be Ringo.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Fri Mar 29, 2019 8:27 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Oh, and Vote Leave has dropped its appeal against being found guilty of multiple offences of electoral law

https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/11 ... 5081226240" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Its been a terrible day for Brexit all round it has to be said.
But why would they do that?

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by elwaclaret » Fri Mar 29, 2019 8:29 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:I never made any such claim. My point was that with the Tories in total disarray they would be unlikely to ask for an election, because the result is hard to predict.
FWIW, I think that the Tories would struggle to hang on to the seats that they won in Scotland in 2017, (i.e. the ones that kept them in govt.) because they've treated the Scots with nothing but contempt since they got a foothold up there.
You may well be right, but there are some areas of Scotland that could never vote SNP or Labour and unless the Liberals stump up they are struggling for a major party.

There's a lot to play out yet in this and as a shot from left field, getting the Labour lot to in-fight could be the Tories only realistic chance for years. Once we a. get into proper negotiations or b. deal with the fallout of remain. It is very unlikely things are going to get any better any time soon realistically.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Greenmile » Fri Mar 29, 2019 8:29 pm

Tall Paul wrote:The spelling, punctuation and grammar is far too good to be Ringo.
This is true, and she contributes far more to the conversation, too. However, Spiral makes a couple of good arguments to the contrary on this page - that sexism thing did seem a bit weird and there’s been a number of other inconsistencies that I’ve noticed. I’m not sure again.

Working hypothesis - Elizabeth is real and it’s Ringo that’s the fake parody account. Elizabeth really was a remainer all those years ago and created a comedy brexiter to further the perception that a lot of Brexit voters had no idea what they were voting for. Then, I don’t know, she suffered a blow to the head or something and now the parody is slowly taking over the real Elizabeth.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by martin_p » Fri Mar 29, 2019 8:33 pm

Greenmile wrote:This is true, and she contributes far more to the conversation, too. However, Spiral makes a couple of good arguments to the contrary on this page - that sexism thing did seem a bit weird and there’s been a number of other inconsistencies that I’ve noticed. I’m not sure again.

Working hypothesis - Elizabeth is real and it’s Ringo that’s the fake parody account. Elizabeth really was a remainer all those years ago and created a comedy brexiter to further the perception that a lot of Brexit voters had no idea what they were voting for. Then, I don’t know, she suffered a blow to the head or something and now the parody is slowly taking over the real Elizabeth.

To be fair Wrongo used to contribute more to the conversation before he became a parody of himself.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Greenmile » Fri Mar 29, 2019 8:35 pm

martin_p wrote:To be fair Wrongo used to contribute more to the conversation before he became a parody of himself.
That must have been before my time.

Don’t get me wrong - he contributes to the messageboard which would be a less entertaining place without him, but I’ve never known him contribute to an actual conversation.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Lancasterclaret » Fri Mar 29, 2019 8:36 pm

Greenmile wrote:Uncalled for, weirdly personal, nothing to do with the topic at hand.

I've changed my mind - you're definitely Ringo. Fair play though, you had me for a while with this (sort-of, relatively) nice remainer persona.
That is classic ringo it has to be said. Personal attacks are his thing.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Tall Paul » Fri Mar 29, 2019 8:37 pm

It is very plausible that Ringo is a made up comedy character. I've often thought that he can't be a real person

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Lancasterclaret » Fri Mar 29, 2019 8:37 pm

Greenmile wrote:That must have been before my time.

Don’t get me wrong - he contributes to the messageboard which would be a less entertaining place without him, but I’ve never known him contribute to an actual conversation.
To be fair, Ringo used to be okay. But as Brexit got worse and worse, and the arguments against it got better and better, he went all in and never came back.

He's not alone in that to be fair though.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Lancasterclaret » Fri Mar 29, 2019 8:40 pm

Think I've seen Liz on twitter

https://twitter.com/damocrat/status/1111715313748455429" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by BennyD » Fri Mar 29, 2019 8:41 pm

martin_p wrote:Do we really want a racist homophobe as PM?
I didn't hear a single racist or homophobic remark in her speech. I suppose the remoaners had to post some irrelevance to deflect away the blatant sense she was speaking. Anyway, I'd rather have someone like her to run us than the Marxist twanker we have waiting in the shadows.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by BennyD » Fri Mar 29, 2019 8:43 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:Yes electing a German fascist as "leader" is going to turn out really well for the continent isn't it.
Oversll, it seems to have turned out Ok for the Germans.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by martin_p » Fri Mar 29, 2019 8:43 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:To be fair, Ringo used to be okay. But as Brexit got worse and worse, and the arguments against it got better and better, he went all in and never came back.

He's not alone in that to be fair though.
I suspect that’s why Wrongo’s creator is posting more often as Elizabeth now. Wrongo had become some sort of bizarre Fast Show character who can only utter his catchphrases, I suspect the joy had gone out of that, at least Elizabeth allows him/her to have a conversation, even if Wrongo does occasionally surface in his/her posts.
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by martin_p » Fri Mar 29, 2019 8:45 pm

BennyD wrote:I didn't hear a single racist or homophobic remark in her speech. I suppose the remoaners had to post some irrelevance to deflect away the blatant sense she was speaking. Anyway, I'd rather have someone like her to run us than the Marxist twanker we have waiting in the shadows.
Neither did I, but look at what the party she represents stands for.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Greenmile » Fri Mar 29, 2019 8:46 pm

BennyD wrote:Oversll, it seems to have turned out Ok for the Germans.
Apart from almost all the Jewish ones.

A price worth paying, do you think?

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by elwaclaret » Fri Mar 29, 2019 8:47 pm

Caballo wrote:To the exchequer yes, to the wider economy? Further to that, would the exchequer gain more if wages were allowed to reach their true level without the oversupply of labour? Does it also factor in the net loss to the DWP by indigenous youngster never being able to up skill and therefore move away from benefits supported working?
Source? You make some very damning comments about our nation's youth, is it a fact of trash television level?

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Lancasterclaret » Fri Mar 29, 2019 8:47 pm

Oversll, it seems to have turned out Ok for the Germans.
**** me Benny, I get you are annoyed but that isn't great at all.
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Elizabeth » Fri Mar 29, 2019 8:49 pm

I am honoured to have attracted so much attention. I said ido have a sense of humour and admit my teasing of spiral overstep the mark at times.
I first came on this board 3 years ago and if spiral had gone back that far ( instead of only researching my posts from 2018) he would have discovered more about me.
I know we all want the best for ourselves and our country even though we have different ideas about what that means or what is needed.
All I want now is the Clarets to get 3 points on the Turf tomorrow.
Goodnight ladies and gentlemen. And everyone else who goes by a different title

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Spiral » Fri Mar 29, 2019 8:57 pm

Don't flatter yourself, Elizabeth. It's not research. Here, anyone can try it: click Elizabeth's username, click search user's posts, go to older posts (page 2 in Ringo's case). You'll find the post. I just timed it; it took me eight seconds to find the continuity error in Ringo's character's story arc.

But alas, that's the sound of a user account retiring, so all the best, Elizabeth. We hardly knew ye (but also knew ye all too much).

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Fri Mar 29, 2019 8:59 pm

Simple solution here, just get Elizabeth to explain what evidence is.
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Spiral » Fri Mar 29, 2019 9:00 pm

You mean...EVIDENCE?
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Elizabeth » Fri Mar 29, 2019 9:00 pm

I was merely wishing all goodnight not goodbye spiral

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Spiral » Fri Mar 29, 2019 9:02 pm

Bring Ringo out. He's more fun.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by martin_p » Fri Mar 29, 2019 9:02 pm

That’s another Wrongo trait, announcing he’s logging off for the night then replying to posts.
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Elizabeth » Fri Mar 29, 2019 9:03 pm

And stop trolling peoples posts

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Fri Mar 29, 2019 9:04 pm

I can’t believe the pisspot we all know to be stupid hasn’t covered his tracks.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by martin_p » Fri Mar 29, 2019 9:05 pm

So did Wrongabeth vote remain or leave? Come on Wrongabeth which one is it given you’ve claimed both.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by BennyD » Fri Mar 29, 2019 9:18 pm

Greenmile wrote:Apart from almost all the Jewish ones.

A price worth paying, do you think?
Since 1945? It seems to be.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by BennyD » Fri Mar 29, 2019 9:19 pm

martin_p wrote:Neither did I, but look at what the party she represents stands for.
Probably something to do with EU immigration policies.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by martin_p » Fri Mar 29, 2019 9:22 pm

BennyD wrote:Since 1945? It seems to be.
Wow!

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by BennyD » Fri Mar 29, 2019 9:27 pm

Wow? What's your point?

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by nil_desperandum » Fri Mar 29, 2019 9:29 pm

Image
Is this Ringo or Elizabeth in Parliament Square?
"Bring out yer dead"

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Lancasterclaret » Fri Mar 29, 2019 9:30 pm

That you appear to be off your ******* rocker.

So apart from the holocaust, and the deaths of millions of Germans in the war, its worked out well for them since?

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