There is a lot of dead wood
-
- Posts: 7070
- Joined: Tue Mar 01, 2016 12:50 pm
- Been Liked: 2176 times
- Has Liked: 3110 times
- Location: Praha
- Contact:
There is a lot of dead wood
It will inevitably feel disrespectful, and that really isn't my intention, but in a week when we saw our wage bill is circa 80m, the following really need to be cut loose, where possible, to free up no small amount of money:
Hart
Ward
Walters
Wells
Also, as they don't appear to be getting much of a look in, if we can, it's time to go, for some sort of fee, for:
Brady
Vydra
Defour
Hart
Ward
Walters
Wells
Also, as they don't appear to be getting much of a look in, if we can, it's time to go, for some sort of fee, for:
Brady
Vydra
Defour
-
- Posts: 2910
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 9:38 am
- Been Liked: 992 times
- Has Liked: 265 times
- Location: Burnley
Re: There is a lot of dead wood
Brady and Defour were never going to play a major role this season and that is why it was unbelievable that reinforcements weren't made in those areas. They were coming back from serious long term injuries and if they were fortunate to avoid niggles they wouldn't have been anywhere near their best till after Christmas anyway.
In the case of McNeil it has worked out because a new left sided player would almost certainly have meant he wouldn't have played.
Defour is a 20 game a season man when considered fully fit and we have no idea whatsoever if Brady will return to his form of early 2017-18, here's hoping he does.
In the case of McNeil it has worked out because a new left sided player would almost certainly have meant he wouldn't have played.
Defour is a 20 game a season man when considered fully fit and we have no idea whatsoever if Brady will return to his form of early 2017-18, here's hoping he does.
-
- Posts: 4476
- Joined: Sat Aug 05, 2017 8:55 pm
- Been Liked: 1160 times
- Has Liked: 182 times
Re: There is a lot of dead wood
ZizkovClaret wrote:It will inevitably feel disrespectful, and that really isn't my intention, but in a week when we saw our wage bill is circa 80m, the following really need to be cut loose, where possible, to free up no small amount of money:
Hart
Ward
Walters
Wells
Also, as they don't appear to be getting much of a look in, if we can, it's time to go, for some sort of fee, for:
Brady
Vydra
Defour
Couldn’t agree more , perhaps keep either Brady or Defour depending if we keep Lennon . It pains me to add Cork or JBG to the list to
-
- Posts: 25445
- Joined: Sat Mar 26, 2016 12:46 am
- Been Liked: 6930 times
- Has Liked: 11660 times
- Location: Leeds
Re: There is a lot of dead wood
Walters has retired.ZizkovClaret wrote:It will inevitably feel disrespectful, and that really isn't my intention, but in a week when we saw our wage bill is circa 80m, the following really need to be cut loose, where possible, to free up no small amount of money:
Hart
Ward
Walters
Wells
Also, as they don't appear to be getting much of a look in, if we can, it's time to go, for some sort of fee, for:
Brady
Vydra
Defour
If we stay up, I agree with Hart and Wells.
-
- Posts: 499
- Joined: Wed Jul 27, 2016 3:35 pm
- Been Liked: 194 times
- Has Liked: 16 times
Re: There is a lot of dead wood
Walters has just retired from football. It's not respectful in the same week he as retired to label him as deadwood. We should be reflecting on his entire career.
Re: There is a lot of dead wood
Walters had retired so that's one off the books. Crouch too hopefully. The rest of it is spot on, but I'd add Lennon and Lowton too. Cork to drop back to a squad player.
Let's hope this Rigg bloke was telling the truth the other day, and we are going to start bringing in some young players. More players in the mould of Taylor and McNeil please.
Let's hope this Rigg bloke was telling the truth the other day, and we are going to start bringing in some young players. More players in the mould of Taylor and McNeil please.
Re: There is a lot of dead wood
I’d prefer to reflect on what value the club got for the wage that we paid himPutTheWheelieBinsOut wrote:Walters has just retired from football. It's not respectful in the same week he as retired to label him as deadwood. We should be reflecting on his entire career.
-
- Posts: 2105
- Joined: Sun Aug 07, 2016 9:28 pm
- Been Liked: 492 times
- Has Liked: 411 times
Re: There is a lot of dead wood
Which would be sweet FA.MRG wrote:I’d prefer to reflect on what value the club got for the wage that we paid him
He’s never been any good anyway, just a clogger who “works hard”
-
- Posts: 18097
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 10:35 am
- Been Liked: 3875 times
- Has Liked: 2073 times
Re: There is a lot of dead wood
The squad needs a overhaul.
I would add Lennon to the released players and try and get our money back from Hendrink.
As said on other threads we haven't done very well with signing older players in the premier league.
We need younger players on an upward curve.
I would add Lennon to the released players and try and get our money back from Hendrink.
As said on other threads we haven't done very well with signing older players in the premier league.
We need younger players on an upward curve.
-
- Posts: 30707
- Joined: Fri Jan 22, 2016 4:00 am
- Been Liked: 11052 times
- Has Liked: 5660 times
- Location: clue is in the title
Re: There is a lot of dead wood
we need to get our average squad age down by at least 2 years (minimum).
Re: There is a lot of dead wood
Hart, Wells and Crouch need to go. Pope will be sold.
Ward, Bardsley, Defour, Vydra all need to be replaced
We could do with an upgrade on Barnes or Wood and Westwood or Cork.
Going to be a busy summer for Mr Rigg if we stay up.
Ward, Bardsley, Defour, Vydra all need to be replaced
We could do with an upgrade on Barnes or Wood and Westwood or Cork.
Going to be a busy summer for Mr Rigg if we stay up.
-
- Posts: 7454
- Joined: Sat May 06, 2017 7:39 pm
- Been Liked: 2256 times
- Has Liked: 2169 times
Re: There is a lot of dead wood
No need to rid Hendrick--he can play 3 positions meaning that he's a great player to have in the squad.
With limited resources (comparatively) one always needs a couple of utility players that can fill in at multiple positions.
With limited resources (comparatively) one always needs a couple of utility players that can fill in at multiple positions.
-
- Posts: 8023
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 7:08 am
- Been Liked: 2819 times
- Has Liked: 503 times
- Location: Earth
Re: There is a lot of dead wood
Replacing that amount of players isn't in Dyches ethos as a manager. We will release a couple but the majority of the squad will stick together. That's how we work as a unit, together. To move that much out of the squad in one swoop would destroy the teams mentality.
-
- Posts: 9
- Joined: Fri Jan 04, 2019 8:03 pm
- Been Liked: 1 time
- Has Liked: 2 times
Re: There is a lot of dead wood
Twelve players out, how many do you expect in? Dyche has a level of loyalty that will see no more than three depart, may get one young player added to first team squad, therefore cannot see more than two or three additions in summer window.
Re: There is a lot of dead wood
Although not necessarily his fault probably the least value out of any player in the clubs history from a financial perspective.MRG wrote:I’d prefer to reflect on what value the club got for the wage that we paid him
Re: There is a lot of dead wood
Hart
Crouch
Vydra
Wells ( could be ok in Champ)
Lennon
Brady
Defour
Ward ( although been a v good player for us)
Crouch
Vydra
Wells ( could be ok in Champ)
Lennon
Brady
Defour
Ward ( although been a v good player for us)
Re: There is a lot of dead wood
I would also be happy to see a replacement for Hendrick who I just dont rate at this level.
Re: There is a lot of dead wood
Agree with that. Over to you Mr. Rigg.Blackrod wrote:Hart
Crouch
Vydra
Wells ( could be ok in Champ)
Lennon
Brady
Defour
Ward ( although been a v good player for us)
-
- Posts: 6975
- Joined: Fri Jan 22, 2016 4:25 pm
- Been Liked: 1490 times
- Has Liked: 1848 times
Re: There is a lot of dead wood
Jeff was superb v Wolves and reproduced his Ireland form.
This user liked this post: evensteadiereddie
Re: There is a lot of dead wood
I though Hendrick signed a contract extension recently ? Agree that there won’t be wholesale changes as it is the group ethos that matters most to Mr Dyche.
-
- Posts: 3019
- Joined: Sat Jan 02, 2016 11:33 pm
- Been Liked: 834 times
- Has Liked: 1637 times
- Location: Lincoln
Re: There is a lot of dead wood
No way will Hendrick go, one of our better players this season.
Some of our supporters must watch a different game to me or perhaps don’t go on games at all.
Some of our supporters must watch a different game to me or perhaps don’t go on games at all.
These 4 users liked this post: simonclaret Foulthrow tiger76 The Enclosure
-
- Posts: 2544
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 8:04 am
- Been Liked: 610 times
- Has Liked: 311 times
Re: There is a lot of dead wood
I can’t tell if that is sarcasm or not? I just don’t see what he brings to the team. He looks lost half the time.Woodleyclaret wrote:Jeff was superb v Wolves and reproduced his Ireland form.
I thought I’d check as I might be missing something, but no-
He made the least passes yesterday out of both teams.
Only the wolves keeper had less touches.
He had no shots
Only Barnes committed more fouls
No dribbles
No interceptions
Only Wood made less clearances
Fair play he was joint 4th in the tackles attempted department
But it’s being said he had a good game??? The mind boggles.
This user liked this post: BOYSIE31
-
- Posts: 25445
- Joined: Sat Mar 26, 2016 12:46 am
- Been Liked: 6930 times
- Has Liked: 11660 times
- Location: Leeds
Re: There is a lot of dead wood
This isn't Football Manager.
-
- Posts: 8996
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 9:57 am
- Been Liked: 2013 times
- Has Liked: 2913 times
Re: There is a lot of dead wood
Players like Hendrick never receive the credit they deserve. Fans don't watch players without the ball taking space and position from the opponent is a vital role he does very well. He certainly wouldn't be on my ship out list.
This user liked this post: COBBLE
-
- Posts: 9601
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 9:45 pm
- Been Liked: 3150 times
- Has Liked: 10256 times
- Location: Staffordshire
Re: There is a lot of dead wood
And we still won two-nil with Hendrick playing no part at all !
Amazing ! What a team ! And what a bellend winston is.
Amazing ! What a team ! And what a bellend winston is.
-
- Posts: 2544
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 8:04 am
- Been Liked: 610 times
- Has Liked: 311 times
Re: There is a lot of dead wood
.....is what is said when stats don’t tell you what you want to hear.
Can you give me an example of something decent he did yesterday?
Can you give me an example of something decent he did yesterday?
-
- Posts: 2544
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 8:04 am
- Been Liked: 610 times
- Has Liked: 311 times
Re: There is a lot of dead wood
elwaclaret wrote:Players like Hendrick never receive the credit they deserve. Fans don't watch players without the ball taking space and position from the opponent is a vital role he does very well. He certainly wouldn't be on my ship out list.
I watched him all day yesterday and I’ll do the same on Saturday. He’s so low on confidence it’s unreal.
-
- Posts: 510
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 9:00 am
- Been Liked: 158 times
- Has Liked: 45 times
Re: There is a lot of dead wood
Quite good value I’d say...based on the fact that Ashley Barnes has made it clear just how much he’s learned from Walters whilst he’s been here! Barnes is a better player now than he was before Walters arrived.MRG wrote:I’d prefer to reflect on what value the club got for the wage that we paid him
Yes; the transfer didn’t work out on the pitch but there’s always more to things than we as fans see in the 90 minutes every Saturday!
Anyway; just my thoughts- I’m sure they’ll be shot down soon.
-
- Posts: 2544
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 8:04 am
- Been Liked: 610 times
- Has Liked: 311 times
Re: There is a lot of dead wood
Nice one mate I love you too.evensteadiereddie wrote:And we still won two-nil with Hendrick playing no part at all !
Amazing ! What a team ! And what a bellend winston is.
Just a different viewpoint to yours and provided some stats in what is a completely subjective opinion.
Re: There is a lot of dead wood
I think we need to be a tad more realistic as we rarely sign more than 3-4 players in a window so 6+ Is unlikely. We are not a million miles away but Ward and Bardsley can’t have too long left in them and we are crying out for a stronger (much physical) CM. That’s before we look to replace Vokes. Hopefully we have a few more Dwight MCNeils in the U23s!!
This user liked this post: GodIsADeeJay81
-
- Posts: 242
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 7:10 am
- Been Liked: 229 times
- Has Liked: 194 times
- Location: London
Re: There is a lot of dead wood
This thread might be meandering away from the OP's intent of identifying the "dead wood" into becoming a general "who would we ideally like to upgrade" wish list. Nothing wrong with that, of course.
However, since the Everton game - Burnley have accrued points at a rate which - extrapolated across a whole season - would see us in clear 7th place, several points above Wolves. This suggests to me that the Burnley team *is* Premier League quality, but the first half of the season showed that the backup squad simply isn't.
So - identifying the dead wood and replacing it with quality that can challenge the first team - rather than thinking of replacing first team players - would seem the prudent way to go.
However, since the Everton game - Burnley have accrued points at a rate which - extrapolated across a whole season - would see us in clear 7th place, several points above Wolves. This suggests to me that the Burnley team *is* Premier League quality, but the first half of the season showed that the backup squad simply isn't.
So - identifying the dead wood and replacing it with quality that can challenge the first team - rather than thinking of replacing first team players - would seem the prudent way to go.
Re: There is a lot of dead wood
We should probably offer him an extension then. He may have retired but image how good Barnes will be with a further 12 month of learningBurnleyPaul wrote:Quite good value I’d say...based on the fact that Ashley Barnes has made it clear just how much he’s learned from Walters whilst he’s been here! Barnes is a better player now than he was before Walters arrived.
Yes; the transfer didn’t work out on the pitch but there’s always more to things than we as fans see in the 90 minutes every Saturday!
Anyway; just my thoughts- I’m sure they’ll be shot down soon.
-
- Posts: 18097
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 10:35 am
- Been Liked: 3875 times
- Has Liked: 2073 times
Re: There is a lot of dead wood
Or maybe you could be wrong?DAVETHEVICAR wrote:No way will Hendrick go, one of our better players this season.
Some of our supporters must watch a different game to me or perhaps don’t go on games at all.
Have you thought of that one?
-
- Posts: 10974
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 9:38 am
- Been Liked: 5188 times
- Has Liked: 804 times
- Location: On top of a pink elephant riding to the Democratic Republic of Congo
Re: There is a lot of dead wood
In short, not a lot of dead wood then.
-
- Posts: 129
- Joined: Tue Apr 05, 2016 3:05 am
- Been Liked: 44 times
- Has Liked: 31 times
Re: There is a lot of dead wood
Brady needs to go. Even when fit he's just not good enough so agree he's dead wood. His touch and distribution, which i thought were his strengths when were originally linked with him, have never materialised.
Defour needs to be offloaded. It's a shame but he's just not fit consistently enough and during his last run he was poor.
Hart should go too. Ridiculous signing.
Defour needs to be offloaded. It's a shame but he's just not fit consistently enough and during his last run he was poor.
Hart should go too. Ridiculous signing.
Re: There is a lot of dead wood
Chased down a Wolves player in a piece of pressing that led to our second goal.Winstonswhite wrote:.....is what is said when stats don’t tell you what you want to hear.
Can you give me an example of something decent he did yesterday?
Re: There is a lot of dead wood
Here are my predictions for the summer:-
- if we stay up = not much change in the first team squad.
- if we go down = not much change in the first team squad.
- if we stay up = not much change in the first team squad.
- if we go down = not much change in the first team squad.
Re: There is a lot of dead wood
JBG????AlargeClaret wrote:Couldn’t agree more , perhaps keep either Brady or Defour depending if we keep Lennon . It pains me to add Cork or JBG to the list to
-
- Posts: 25445
- Joined: Sat Mar 26, 2016 12:46 am
- Been Liked: 6930 times
- Has Liked: 11660 times
- Location: Leeds
Re: There is a lot of dead wood
Are we actually taking this seriously?
-
- Posts: 1852
- Joined: Sun Sep 24, 2017 11:30 am
- Been Liked: 300 times
- Has Liked: 28 times
Re: There is a lot of dead wood
I wouldn’t mind some going:
Defour
Cork (fine for squad)
Bardsley (age)
One of the keepers (not Heaton for me)
Ward
Lennon (maybe)
McNeil ( )
That leaves us needing, a 1st team CM, and a young (preferably) rb and lb
Defour
Cork (fine for squad)
Bardsley (age)
One of the keepers (not Heaton for me)
Ward
Lennon (maybe)
McNeil ( )
That leaves us needing, a 1st team CM, and a young (preferably) rb and lb
Re: There is a lot of dead wood
Sproggy wrote:Hart, Wells and Crouch need to go. Pope will be sold.
Ward, Bardsley, Defour, Vydra all need to be replaced
We could do with an upgrade on Barnes or Wood and Westwood or Cork.
Going to be a busy summer for Mr Rigg if we stay up.
You really think we’ll replace 10 players out of our squad.
I’ll have a pint of what you’re on
This user liked this post: GodIsADeeJay81
Re: There is a lot of dead wood
The 11 that started on Saturday will stay, the only players to leave will be Hart and maybe Lowton, all we need is a central midfielder and back up for Bardsley
-
- Posts: 25445
- Joined: Sat Mar 26, 2016 12:46 am
- Been Liked: 6930 times
- Has Liked: 11660 times
- Location: Leeds
Re: There is a lot of dead wood
Ward is catching up to me I'm now doing a marathon a week. Could do with another left back.taffy wrote:The 11 that started on Saturday will stay, the only players to leave will be Hart and maybe Lowton, all we need is a central midfielder and back up for Bardsley
-
- Posts: 2679
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 10:07 pm
- Been Liked: 781 times
- Has Liked: 1435 times
- Location: Mostly Europe
Re: There is a lot of dead wood
4 isn’t deadwood to me, just evolution. As far as the other 3 go we will always need players who don’t always play.ZizkovClaret wrote:It will inevitably feel disrespectful, and that really isn't my intention, but in a week when we saw our wage bill is circa 80m, the following really need to be cut loose, where possible, to free up no small amount of money:
Hart
Ward
Walters
Wells
Also, as they don't appear to be getting much of a look in, if we can, it's time to go, for some sort of fee, for:
Brady
Vydra
Defour
In terms of the names, Ward as a back up player isn’t a poor option. Brady, needs some game time but has the potential to change a game from the bench. Defour, maybe I’m clinging on but if fit again another great option.
All the others in agreement. Has Hart just got a 1 year deal? I understood city were paying some of his wages, it would worry me if we have to pick up the full tab from next season- could become our very own Jack Rodwell.
-
- Posts: 1468
- Joined: Wed Jan 13, 2016 5:55 pm
- Been Liked: 534 times
- Has Liked: 506 times
Re: There is a lot of dead wood
RiP Chris.
-
- Posts: 9319
- Joined: Sun Dec 27, 2015 8:01 pm
- Been Liked: 4842 times
- Has Liked: 947 times
- Location: Leeds
Re: There is a lot of dead wood
Dan James
Jarrod Bowen
Ché Adams
That’d be lovely.
Jarrod Bowen
Ché Adams
That’d be lovely.
-
- Posts: 7312
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 5:06 pm
- Been Liked: 1827 times
- Has Liked: 3964 times
Re: There is a lot of dead wood
I think we should be far more concerned about hanging on to Tarkowski and McNeill
-
- Posts: 25445
- Joined: Sat Mar 26, 2016 12:46 am
- Been Liked: 6930 times
- Has Liked: 11660 times
- Location: Leeds
Re: There is a lot of dead wood
Would cost a pretty penny, too.jdrobbo wrote:Dan James
Jarrod Bowen
Ché Adams
That’d be lovely.
-
- Posts: 9319
- Joined: Sun Dec 27, 2015 8:01 pm
- Been Liked: 4842 times
- Has Liked: 947 times
- Location: Leeds
Re: There is a lot of dead wood
It would indeed. I think we could get Bowen. He has huge potential.
Re: There is a lot of dead wood
We so need Hendrick.