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Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Postby Chester Perry » Fri Jun 14, 2019 12:35 pm

Chelsea finally break the habit of the Abramovich era (they tried hard with Conte if you remember, but the courts ruled against them)

https://twitter.com/sportingintel/statu ... 7035579392

getting money for the manager you don't want (but actually did a reasonable job in the context of their current state) is not bad

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48632052

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Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Postby Chester Perry » Fri Jun 14, 2019 2:19 pm

In post #1332 I mentioned that all the top European Clubs were looking to sign Japan's Takefusa Kubo now he has turned 18 - well Real Madrid have managed to sign him

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48637239
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Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Postby Chester Perry » Fri Jun 14, 2019 2:26 pm

Royboyclaret wrote:For a League One club to have net liabilities of almost £94 million is beyond scary. The next highest are Charlton at £21 million.

Just how much of a debt of gratitude do they owe to Venky's for propping up this shambles of a club. If they ever pulled out Blackburn Rovers would collapse like a pack of cards.


It is absolute bonkers when you compare it to Accy's figures shared by @AndyhHolt yesterday - see post #1389

but if fans have been brought up on owners who have lashed money on a club to operate beyond it's means it is difficult to wean themselves off it, and at Rovers that goes back to their earliest successes in the 1880's.

By contrast look at this tweet from @AndyhHolt today after last night's Q & A with his club's fans

"We had a chat night with fantastic @ASFCofficial supporters last night.

The place was packed with fantastic local folk.

Not a single person was asking me to risk our club, going for gold and riches @EFL

To a person they’re saying run their club sensibly.

They’re right"

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Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Postby Royboyclaret » Fri Jun 14, 2019 2:38 pm

Chester Perry wrote:It is absolute bonkers when you compare it to Accy's figures shared by @AndyhHolt yesterday - see post #1389

but if fans have been brought up on owners who have lashed money on a club to operate beyond it's means it is difficult to wean themselves off it, and at Rovers that goes back to their earliest successes in the 1880's.

By contrast look at this tweet from @AndyhHolt today after last night's Q & A with his club's fans

"We had a chat night with fantastic @ASFCofficial supporters last night.

The place was packed with fantastic local folk.

Not a single person was asking me to risk our club, going for gold and riches @EFL

To a person they’re saying run their club sensibly.

They’re right"


In a nutshell..........Just like Burnley.

No coincidence that Andy Holt was brought up on Stoops Estate and, most tellingly, had lots of words of praise for Barry Kilby when he first became involved with Accrington.

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Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Postby ClaretTony » Fri Jun 14, 2019 5:01 pm

Chester Perry wrote:It is absolute bonkers when you compare it to Accy's figures shared by @AndyhHolt yesterday - see post #1389

but if fans have been brought up on owners who have lashed money on a club to operate beyond it's means it is difficult to wean themselves off it, and at Rovers that goes back to their earliest successes in the 1880's.

By contrast look at this tweet from @AndyhHolt today after last night's Q & A with his club's fans

"We had a chat night with fantastic @ASFCofficial supporters last night.

The place was packed with fantastic local folk.

Not a single person was asking me to risk our club, going for gold and riches @EFL

To a person they’re saying run their club sensibly.

They’re right"


On the eve of the 2012/13 season a forum of Burnley fans foreign ownership throwing money at it. The overwhelming majority said no thanks.

On the following day I was with John B, who had asked the question, and Eddie Howe. The manager admitted to being amazed at the response. He said he would like that situation so it would give him more money to spend.

I wonder what the fans’ response would be now.

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Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Postby Chester Perry » Fri Jun 14, 2019 6:46 pm

CT - I believe from past threads on here there are a few that would want it - primarily at the younger end, those who have witnessed the ups and downs of the last 60 years tend to be (I know a few that are not) the ones who put sustainability and longevity first

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Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Postby Chester Perry » Fri Jun 14, 2019 7:05 pm

Man Utd and Liverpool U21's are to play in the EFL Trophy in the coming season

https://twitter.com/EFL/status/1139502747227529217

- this makes a big 6 full house which is timely given that Checkatrade have finished their sponsorship and this makes the competition potentially more attractive to a new one

https://twitter.com/AgainstLeague3/stat ... 3586232320

yet since the EFL allowed the PL U21 teams in the attendances for the competition have fallen

https://twitter.com/uglygame/status/1139554204329095168

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Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Postby Chester Perry » Fri Jun 14, 2019 7:35 pm

I have posted about the value of Football's contribution to the economy a number of times - Visit Britain commissioned research into it's pull for tourists

https://www.visitbritain.org/visitbrita ... sm-britain

the full report - nice of them to make it available, maybe because it is a Government Agency

https://www.visitbritain.org/sites/defa ... ourism.pdf

and as ever Government strategy around the UK Football Industry is as it always has been - non existent - it only generates over £7bn+ in house without considering it's Socio Economic contribution

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Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Postby Chester Perry » Sat Jun 15, 2019 12:00 am

UEFA have got in on the OTT media act with their own channel - they will have to tread carefully those media outlets that have paid millions to license their content for specific territories

https://sponsorship.sportbusiness.com/n ... -platform/

EDIT - This move ties in perfectly with this article

http://www.sportspromedia.com/quick_fir ... P9.twitter
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Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Postby Chester Perry » Sat Jun 15, 2019 12:13 am

Following all the hoohaa (especially from the Championship clubs who threatened to break-away) after the announcement of their last TV deal the EFL have announced that they are to review the way it negotiates these deals in the future - I suspect this was one of the key discussions at the EFL get-together in Portugal last week

from the Times - I have used all my free views this week so if anyone can transcribe I would be grateful

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/spor ... -mgkf26pgt

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Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Postby superdimitri » Sat Jun 15, 2019 1:56 am

Chester Perry wrote:In posts #1347 and #1349 I suggested that the ECA and Andrea Agnelli's required a 16 team domestic top flight, that domestic leagues would never vote for that, such change could only be imposed by FIFA and the FIFA would only do so for their on Financial benefit.

Now I am wondering if FIFA President Gianni Infantino has found the revenue source to make the imposition - he is talking about a $50bn commercial revenue of a Club World Cup - if I am reading it right this blows the mooted $25bn Softbank/Saudi deal out of the water

http://www.sportspromedia.com/news/infa ... al-revenue


Not sure it would help you or not but it's possible to link to individual previous posts on the forum. All you do is append the number before the post in the URL.

eg to point to post 1351 you append 1350 after start=

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=20891&start=1350

It would normally be as easy as appending the correct number not the one before it so that's rather odd and perhaps an admin can fix.

Would also be nice to be able to click on individual posts, if not too easily navigate but to simply to copy and paste them.

I saw a lot of mentions in the threads of previous posts so being able to link between them would make it easier. Of course anyone reading this can also simply append their own URL to visit a mentioned post number which is so much faster than scrolling through and guessing the pages.
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Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Postby Chester Perry » Sat Jun 15, 2019 11:53 am

superdimitri wrote:Not sure it would help you or not but it's possible to link to individual previous posts on the forum. All you do is append the number before the post in the URL.

eg to point to post 1351 you append 1350 after start=

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=20891&start=1350

It would normally be as easy as appending the correct number not the one before it so that's rather odd and perhaps an admin can fix.

Would also be nice to be able to click on individual posts, if not too easily navigate but to simply to copy and paste them.

I saw a lot of mentions in the threads of previous posts so being able to link between them would make it easier. Of course anyone reading this can also simply append their own URL to visit a mentioned post number which is so much faster than scrolling through and guessing the pages.


I like that thinking and helpfulness - cheers

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Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Postby Chester Perry » Sat Jun 15, 2019 12:20 pm

UEFA President Aleksander Ceferin endears himself to small European Nations who want to spend money on UEFA while attacking the English game has a whole. Neither side helps, and we all know they just want a slice of our money while the FA/PL big clubs want the Europeans to bend to their will and traditions, Astonishing egos n all sides

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footb ... clubs.html

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Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Postby Chester Perry » Sat Jun 15, 2019 12:35 pm

I first brought up FIFA's desire to restructure the transfer/loan system in post #260 (viewtopic.php?f=2&t=20891&hilit=loan+system&start=259) and there have been ongoing talks that have seen progress (see post #1301 viewtopic.php?f=2&t=20891&hilit=Fifa+loans&start=1300) so much so that they may be in force for the season 2020/21. UEFA President Aleksander Ceferin is also keen to curtail the practice of clubs like Chelsea who have turned loans into a business. I was not aware of the scale that some Italian clubs have reached though.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footb ... ystem.html


NB Superdimitri your suggestion works - I like! :D

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Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Postby superdimitri » Sun Jun 16, 2019 3:59 am

Chester Perry wrote:I first brought up FIFA's desire to restructure the transfer/loan system in post #260 (viewtopic.php?f=2&t=20891&hilit=loan+system&start=259) and there have been ongoing talks that have seen progress (see post #1301 viewtopic.php?f=2&t=20891&hilit=Fifa+loans&start=1300) so much so that they may be in force for the season 2020/21. UEFA President Aleksander Ceferin is also keen to curtail the practice of clubs like Chelsea who have turned loans into a business. I was not aware of the scale that some Italian clubs have reached though.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footb ... ystem.html


NB Superdimitri your suggestion works - I like! :D


Fantastic, you're more than welcome. You can even wrap the links in text like this:

Post 260

But the uptheclarets text editor is quite rudimentary so you have to do it the manual way. Shown here: https://www.bbcode.org/examples/?id=9

Great job in this thread, very informative read about the game we grow to love, if only it wasn't all about the money eh.

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Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Postby Chester Perry » Sun Jun 16, 2019 4:43 pm

I first mentioned the availability and history of Takefusa Kubo in post #1332 viewtopic.php?f=2&t=20891&start=1331 and announced that he had signed for Real Madrid in post #1402 viewtopic.php?f=2&t=20891&start=1401 here the Guardian explains how Real Madrid got one over Barcelona

https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... id-signing

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Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Postby Chester Perry » Sun Jun 16, 2019 11:54 pm

In post #1384 viewtopic.php?f=2&t=20891&start=1383 I linked to an excellent article on insolvency and administration. That article mentioned the now rare occurrence of receivership and mentioned that Blackpool was an actual instance of the receivers being called in.

This article from Law in Sport describes the process they had to go through

https://www.lawinsport.com/topics/artic ... -club-fans

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Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Postby Chester Perry » Mon Jun 17, 2019 12:16 am

In post #591 viewtopic.php?f=2&t=20891&hilit=capping+agents+fees&start=590 I raised the fact that FIFA were looking at capping agents fees. Here an article from Law in Sport questions whether two the approached being discussed by FIFA would:

a) achieve their aim
b) have unintended impacts - like actually inflating transfer fees and salaries

https://www.lawinsport.com/topics/artic ... n-practice

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Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Postby Chester Perry » Mon Jun 17, 2019 6:30 pm

In post #1389 viewtopic.php?f=2&t=20891&start=1388 @AndyhHolt shared details of Accy's finances since he took over - he has since announced that the wage budget for the coming season is £1.6m. Here @kieranMaguire looks at the finances of National League Ebbsfleet United (who lost to Tranmere in the play-offs in the current season - figures are for 2017/18 and shocking - £2.1m in wages!!!

https://twitter.com/KieranMaguire/statu ... 4354356224

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Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Postby Chester Perry » Mon Jun 17, 2019 7:15 pm

In post #712 (viewtopic.php?f=2&t=20891&hilit=africa+china&start=711) I delved a bit deeper into how country's use football for their own ends as a "soft power" exercise (see also posts #681 and #682 viewtopic.php?f=2&t=20891&hilit=africa+china&start=680). I that post I included a Simon Chadwick article and how China strategically use football to gain access to Africa's natural resources.

In this article he looks at how Huawei is at the centre of China's influence on the next instalment of the African Nations Cup early next year while the rest of the world works out what to do next with the Telecoms behemoth

https://www.scmp.com/sport/football/art ... ks-exploit

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Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Postby Chester Perry » Mon Jun 17, 2019 7:48 pm

Part 6 of the Mathew Briggs: A Journey of Discovery (Former youngest ever PL player still in his mid 20's trying to regain a foothold in the game)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCwxO6U7TyE

If you have missed this tale up to now Parts 1-3

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=20891&hilit=briggs&start=1242

Part 4

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=20891&hilit=briggs&start=1288

Part 5

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=20891&hilit=briggs&start=1363

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Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Postby Chester Perry » Mon Jun 17, 2019 7:58 pm

@SwissRamble has been doing a belated piece of Barnsley's 2017/18 financial results today - a solid well run club that seeks to be sustainable with a clear strategy even after a change of ownership is what you can take from it. The most eye catching element of the analysis however is this showing the stratified levels of TV Revenue from 1st in PL through parachute tiers to League 1

https://twitter.com/SwissRamble/status/ ... 4186970112

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Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Postby Chester Perry » Mon Jun 17, 2019 8:13 pm

In post #1270 (viewtopic.php?f=2&t=20891&start=1269) I linked a graphic outlining the tv revenue of the top 4 European Leagues. Ligue 1 (France) was a significant omission - possibly for the sake of clarity (there would be lots of overlap). So here we have a clear representation of TV earnings from that League

https://twitter.com/SBI_Barcelona/statu ... 5442193408

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Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Postby Chester Perry » Mon Jun 17, 2019 8:33 pm

In post #855 (viewtopic.php?f=2&t=20891&hilit=crystal+palace+for+sale&start=850) I shared the news that Crystal Palace were for sale. An update from Offthepitch.com


Media: Palace in takeover talks with Chinese businessman - by Christian Fomsgaard Jensen

A Chinese businessman was given "the red-carpet treatment" at Palace last month ahead of potential takeover.
Owners Josh Harris and David Blitzer value the club at £220 million.

They have long been rumoured to be for sale and Crystal Palace have now held talks with a potential buyer from China, reports The Sun.

The unknown Chinese businessman visited Selhurst Park and the Eagles’ training ground last month accompanied by a large entourage and they were given "the red-carpet treatment," the paper understands.

To help finalise a potential takeover, Palace’s major shareholders, Josh Harris and David Blitzer, have appointed PJT Partners, a US investment bank, as an adviser.

Multiple interest
Harris and Blitzer value the club at around £220 million, but the Chinese businessman’s initial offer is below the £200 million mark according to The Sun, who also reports there is at least one other potential buyer with genuine interest.

Thaksin Shinawatra, the former prime minister of Thailand and previous owner of Manchester City, has also been reported as interested in buying the club, but was not ready to pay more than £150 million. In 2017, Harris and Blitzer also rejected an offer from Shanghai Naisi Investment Management Centre as it was below their valuation.

The two bought a 36 per cent stake in 2015 and pumped £100 million into the club. Chairman Steve Parish owns 18 per cent.

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Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Postby Chester Perry » Mon Jun 17, 2019 8:49 pm

@TariqPanja highlights the benefits of being a FIFA Council member in a series of tweets today

FIFA Council member Omari of Congo seems to be one of the constants at this World Cup. Seems he’s been in Paris since at least June 4. His sudden appreciation of the women’s game also means:

1. 5* accommodation
2. $150 for every day in France
3. Next to no work on FIFA’s behalf

And it’s not just him. This is the issue with FIFA’s approach to its council members. It expects little in return for $250,000 per year, plus other grace and favor arrangements.

Years ago, a FIFA official said its biggest risk was its executive committee. He was right. A load were indicted on corruption charges. It’s since been reformed as the “council” but the risk remains.

now remind me - What was FIFA President Gianni Infantino saying in Paris earlier this month viewtopic.php?f=2&t=20891&hilit=Infantino+integrity&start=1337

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Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Postby Chester Perry » Mon Jun 17, 2019 9:36 pm

It seems that Nasser al-Khelaïfi, the owner of PSG has had enough of Champions League failure and antics of the likes of Neymar

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footb ... viour.html

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Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Postby Royboyclaret » Mon Jun 17, 2019 10:09 pm

Chester Perry wrote:@SwissRamble has been doing a belated piece of Barnsley's 2017/18 financial results today - a solid well run club that seeks to be sustainable with a clear strategy even after a change of ownership is what you can take from it. The most eye catching element of the analysis however is this showing the stratified levels of TV Revenue from 1st in PL through parachute tiers to League 1

https://twitter.com/SwissRamble/status/ ... 4186970112


Brilliant analysis as ever from Swiss Ramble. A fascinating look at a very well run Barnsley club and some particularly insightful graphs comparing the 23 Championship clubs......take a look at the Matchday Income graphs and evidence that incredibly 16 of the 23 Championship clubs had a higher Matchday Income to ours at Burnley.

Evidence, if we needed it, of how totally reliant we are on Broadcast Income in order provide a Total Revenue to make us competitive in the Premier League :-
Matchday Income......£5.6m
Commercial Income.......£11.9m
TV Income........£121.5m

Total Income to Jun'18........£139m.

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Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Postby TVC15 » Mon Jun 17, 2019 10:13 pm

Royboyclaret wrote:Brilliant analysis as ever from Swiss Ramble. A fascinating look at a very well run Barnsley club and some particularly insightful graphs comparing the 23 Championship clubs......take a look at the Matchday Income graphs and evidence that incredibly 16 of the 23 Championship clubs had a higher Matchday Income to ours at Burnley.

Evidence, if we needed it, of how totally reliant we are on Broadcast Income in order provide a Total Revenue to make us competitive in the Premier League :-
Matchday Income......£5.6m
Commercial Income.......£11.9m
TV Income........£121.5m

Total Income to Jun'18........£139m.


Yes indeed.
Have you ever seen any breakdown of our commercial income ? Be interesting to see how much we raise from shirt sales, advertising, sponsorship etc.
Is our revenue from corporate hospitality included in the match day income or in commercial income ?

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Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Postby Chester Perry » Mon Jun 17, 2019 10:18 pm

TVC15 wrote:Yes indeed.
Have you ever seen any breakdown of our commercial income ? Be interesting to see how much we raise from shirt sales, advertising, sponsorship etc.
Is our revenue from corporate hospitality included in the match day income or in commercial income ?


I understood that Corporate Hospitality was part of match day income

Also that Commercial income included £5m of Shirt sponsorship - incidently our new shirt deal is supposed to represent us as being viewed as an established PL club
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Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Postby Royboyclaret » Mon Jun 17, 2019 10:24 pm

TVC15 wrote:Yes indeed.
Have you ever seen any breakdown of our commercial income ? Be interesting to see how much we raise from shirt sales, advertising, sponsorship etc.
Is our revenue from corporate hospitality included in the match day income or in commercial income ?


Catering sales.......£2.6m
Retail sales.......£1.9m
Shirt and sleeve sponsorship........£4.9m
Other commercial activities.........£2.5m

Total commercial income........£11.9m.
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Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Postby Chester Perry » Mon Jun 17, 2019 10:48 pm

In post #1413 (viewtopic.php?f=2&t=20891&start=1412) UEFA President Aleksander Ceferin had a dig at the English always complaining. Tomorrow tickets for the European Super Cup in Istanbul between Liverpool and Chelsea go on sale, the share of tickets for fans is significantly higher than the end of season showpieces, and the lowest price tickets will be the same as last seasons match though the top seats have increased in price. - will there be more complaints from the English?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footb ... -fans.html

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Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Postby Chester Perry » Tue Jun 18, 2019 9:23 am

I have posted this on it's own thread but it so clearly fits here I have decided to add it - Alistair Campbell talks about the political problems facing football, the Qatar 2022 World Cup, Brexit and Burnley in the TIFO podcast

https://www.tifofootball.com/podcast/al ... r-burnley/

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Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Postby Chester Perry » Tue Jun 18, 2019 9:26 am

Michel Platini has been arrested over the awarding of the 2022 World Cup to Qatar

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sport ... d-Cup.html

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Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Postby frankinwales » Tue Jun 18, 2019 9:30 am

Fantastic thread as always Chester........Many thanks.....



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Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Postby Chester Perry » Tue Jun 18, 2019 9:44 am

In post #1425 (viewtopic.php?f=2&t=20891&p=1030200#p1030200) I posted about PSG's owner warning his players that they need to focus more on improving team performances than their lifestyle. @MiguelDelaney looks at Neymar and asks whether he is worth the hassle

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/foo ... 62831.html

Looking at that would you consider signing Pogba if Neymar leaves as PSG are reputed to be

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Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Postby Chester Perry » Tue Jun 18, 2019 10:10 am

Apparently there are hundreds of redundancies at BeIN Media Group in Qatar, no details yet just interesting that this is supposedly a growing organisation - it is known that their attempts to stop the Saudis illegally transmitting their streams have filed so far robbing them of that line of revenue

https://www.ft.com/content/970fc542-c17 ... 6dfef1b89a

It is also affecting their contracts with the Asian Football Congress

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/12/spor ... rabia.html

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Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Postby Chester Perry » Tue Jun 18, 2019 2:38 pm

Following the arrest of Michel Platini today (see post #1433 viewtopic.php?f=2&t=20891&start=1432 or further discussion on the matter viewtopic.php?f=2&t=39961) Nick Harris reminds us of what we learned of the other FIFA Executive Committee members who voted for the 2018 and 2022 World Cups back in 2010.

https://twitter.com/sportingintel/statu ... 4462374912

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Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Postby Chester Perry » Tue Jun 18, 2019 7:40 pm

In post #1362 (viewtopic.php?f=2&t=20891&start=1361) I linked a couple of articles that highlighted the FFP tightrope at Real Madrid - @KieranMaguire has had a look for the BBC as they ask if Real can afford Pogba on top of all their other purchases this summer

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48664706

Not convinced he has got this right - he states the cash position at the last accounts, he should be aware that he following day all that cash was paid out in wages - the practice both Barca and Real Madrid employ.

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Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Postby Chester Perry » Wed Jun 19, 2019 2:25 pm

The Independent do a bit of a promotional job for Real Madrid and talk up the potential of the cast offs in the firesale

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/foo ... 64661.html

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Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Postby Chester Perry » Wed Jun 19, 2019 2:40 pm

In the Championship both Reading and Sheffield Wednesday find themselves under soft transfer embargoes for breaches of financial regulations

Reading - FFP breaches

https://www.getreading.co.uk/sport/foot ... w-16448796

Wednesday - not filing accounts - could also be FFP breaches but sale and leaseback of Hillsborough may ease that one

https://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/footbal ... rgo-176124

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Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Postby Chester Perry » Wed Jun 19, 2019 4:29 pm

The 4th edition of Vysyble's "we're so rich it's unbelievable" report on PL football is out - you have to pay for the privilege of reading it so we will look at the reporting on it - as ever with all the Vysyble postings I make - I remind you of the lack of universal acceptance of Economic profit their preferred measure

Vysyble's own press release

https://vysyble.com/18th-june-2019-wsriu4-press-release

The Mirror

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football ... t-16541633

Newcastle Chronicle

https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/f ... n=sharebar

Forbes Magazine has kindly done an article which is transcribed here


Jun 18, 2019, 04:00pm - The Big 6 Clubs Are ‘Destroying The Premier League,’ Report Says - by Robert Kidd

The growing financial dominance of the Premier League’s "Big 6" clubs is “destroying” competition in the richest league in the world, according to a report.

Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Manchester City, Manchester United and Tottenham Hotspur account for 57.5% of the collective annual revenue of all 20 clubs in the division, the report from financial analysts Vysyble found.

For the fourth edition of "We’re So Rich It’s Unbelievable!" Vysyble analyzed the accounts of all Premier League clubs between 2008/09 and 2017/18, the last season for which data is available.

It found the Big 6 increased revenues to £247 million ($310m) to £2.77 billion ($3.47b) in 2017/18. The remaining 14 clubs saw a more than £10 million ($12.5m) fall in annual revenues, to £2.05 billion ($2.57b).

This was despite the league recording a record collective revenue of £4.83 billion ($6b).

“Last year we highlighted the Big 6 clubs’ desire to reduce risk which they are now successfully doing with increasing amounts of European prize money and what will be a greater share of the Premier League’s international broadcast rights revenue,” Vysyble director Roger Bell said.

“The downside is that the remaining group of 14 clubs, irrespective of the constituents, will fall further behind the Big 6 in terms of revenue, profitability and on-the-pitch performance. With ten years of available data, we can see a clear correlation between improving economic profit performance by the Big 6 clubs and their increasing share of total Premier League points.

“The Big 6 clubs are destroying the Premier League with money.”

The report highlighted how the increasing financial gap was translating to on-pitch performance.

The Big 6 have occupied the top six league places for four of the last five seasons. The exception was the 2015/16 season when Leicester City was the shock winner and Southampton finished sixth.

That season, a poor one for the Big 6, they collectively achieved 393 points. Last season, led by champions Manchester City and an unbeaten Liverpool, the six clubs scored 474 points. The season before, 2017/18, they scored 466.

Bell told me there was a “clear imbalance in the financial make-up of the division”.

“It is actually two divisions in one comprising of the Big 6 clubs … and the rest who strive to avoid relegation,” he said.

“The revenue gap between the sixth biggest club (Spurs) and the seventh (Everton) in 2017-18 was £191 million ($239 million). It was just £1.88 million ($2.36m) in 2009. Hence, the remaining 14 clubs are falling further and further behind.”

In attempting to break into the Big 6 – or simply stay in the division – the remaining Premier League clubs are spending increasing amounts on player salaries.

The average staff cost to revenue ratio in 2017/18 for the Big 6 was 52.2%, while for the other clubs it was 67.4%. Eight clubs that season spent more than 70% of revenue on staff costs.

The report found the Big 6 had recorded its first “economic profit” since 2009 in the 2017/18 season, powered by record results for Liverpool and Spurs. The measure is a more demanding accounting principle preferred by some economists to judge performance.

On a pre-tax basis, the Big 6 clubs achieved 89% of the division’s total profit for 2017/18.

“The Big 6 group is comfortably in the driving seat as higher profits are pointing towards greater points totals,” Bell said.

“The points gap between the title winner and the bottom club is a Premier League record 82 points for the 2018-19 season with two of the three longest unbeaten runs from the start of the season taking place in the last two seasons.

“With on-pitch team possession statistics from some of the Big 6 clubs increasingly reaching 70% and more, is this the game that fans really want?”

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Vysyble have put out some digrams on twitter also - more likely to follow in the next few days

Staff costs - Big 6 v the 14
https://twitter.com/vysyble/status/1141247487468027906

Economic Profitability index of the big 6 over last 10 seasons - league table positions are on Economic Profitability
https://twitter.com/vysyble/status/1141257660635000832

Economic Profits v On Pitch Performance of the big 6
https://twitter.com/vysyble/status/1141264869179740162

EDIT year on year revenue split - Big 6 v the 14
https://twitter.com/vysyble/status/1141380936501792770
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Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Postby Chester Perry » Wed Jun 19, 2019 5:00 pm

The French authorities arrested CAF (Confederation of African Football) President and FIFA Council Member Ahmad Ahmad a couple of weeks ago (see post #1338 viewtopic.php?f=2&t=20891&hilit=ahmad&start=1337) and we found out about what they wanted to know in post #1396 (viewtopic.php?f=2&t=20891&hilit=ahmad&start=1395) now it transpires that CAF is in such a mess that a CAF Emergency council has requested FIFA to come and take over for the next 6 months to straighten them out and oversee a full audit

https://twitter.com/tariqpanja/status/1 ... 2471948288

this is going to get messy I think

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Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Postby Chester Perry » Wed Jun 19, 2019 5:26 pm

Marina Hyde of the Guardian gives her thoughts on how even with all the murck still around them FIFA and their President don't come off to bad in the current world

https://www.theguardian.com/football/bl ... atini-uefa

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Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Postby Royboyclaret » Wed Jun 19, 2019 9:10 pm

Post #1441.......Vysyble providing yet more thought provoking stuff, although to be fair it's merely confirmation of something we already suspected. Perhaps the so-called big six have got it right and the fact that overseas broadcast income has now increased dramatically means that they are within their rights to demand an even larger share.

I suspect if Burnley were in that elite group we might be thinking on similar lines.

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Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Postby Chester Perry » Thu Jun 20, 2019 12:33 pm

In post #1442 (viewtopic.php?f=2&t=20891&start=1441) I suggested that FIFA's move to audit and improve CAF's processes was going to get messy - well they haven't started yet and already it is causing some consternation over who has been selected to lead the effort

https://apnews.com/745cd3ee3a54496a864020b2c9dc6794

Ceferin's letter

https://twitter.com/RobHarris/status/11 ... 7531240448

@TariqPanja of the New York Times broke the story yesterday - this is his article

FIFA Takes Control of Soccer in Africa, Where the Sport Is in Chaos - By Tariq Panja - June 19, 2019

Faced with a crisis that threatens to overwhelm the governing body of soccer on the African continent, FIFA is taking the unprecedented step of sending its top administrator, its secretary general Fatma Samoura, to run the stricken organization.

The Cairo-based Confederation of African Football, soccer’s largest regional confederation, has lurched from disaster to disaster in the past few months, and is on the verge of a total meltdown just as the region’s biggest national team competition — the Africa Cup of Nations — prepares to begin in Egypt. On the eve of the tournament, senior officials gathered for an emergency meeting, where they agreed to being led by Samoura, who will hold the title of FIFA High Commissioner for Africa when she assumes the new post later this summer.

The decision comes amid myriad issues faced by CAF, not least an investigation into its Madagascan president, Ahmad Ahmad, by FIFA’s ethics committee amid a torrent of allegations of wrongdoing, ranging from financial mismanagement to sexual harassment. Ahmad, who continues to deny the allegations against him and has claimed to be the victim of a smear campaign, was briefly arrested in Paris earlier this month by the French police, a day after Gianni Infantini was re-elected as FIFA’s president in Paris.

“The rule of the temporary FIFA High Commissioner for Africa would be to conduct a root-and-branch review of governance of the confederation, oversee operational management of the organization, and recommend where needed a series of reform efforts, to be agreed with CAF member associations and with FIFA in order to put CAF itself on a modern and sound footing, improve its image and reputation and thus ensure that CAF is better equipped to face future challenges and to grasp future opportunities,” FIFA said in setting up the arrangement, according to an internal document seen by The New York Times.

Infantino was said to be furious after the arrest of Ahmad, a FIFA vice president, earlier this month, since it came soon after he proclaimed that FIFA was in far better shape than it was when he took over in the aftermath of a sprawling Department of Justice indictment in 2015 that took aim at several high ranking FIFA officials, including the heads of both regional confederations in the Americas.

Though FIFA’s statutes allow it to take control should any of its member national associations run into trouble, they do not allow for it to run any of the sports six regional bodies. That is why it first required CAF’s executive board to agree to the change.

Finances may have played a part in getting a resolution. FIFA, which distributes millions of dollars to the confederations, two days ago suspended payments to CAF.

Neither group has officially commented on the matter.

The crisis at CAF touches all levels of the organization. Ahmad fired its secretary general, Amr Fahmy, during a stormy board meeting in April that followed the leak of internal documents which suggested financial mismanagement on a major scale. On the field, things haven’t been much better.

The second game of the two-match CAF Champions League final — the conclusion of the continent’s top club competition — was abandoned with 30 minutes to play after one of the teams refused to return following a controversial refereeing decision that could not be reviewed because the system put in place to analyze decisions had failed. A decision to replay the game has led to even more fury, with one of the teams, Espérance Sportive de Tunis, vowing to appeal the decision after it was told to return the medals and trophies it already had received.

The imbroglio in Africa is particularly frustrating for Infantino. He campaigned hard on behalf of Ahmad, then a little known figure in soccer circles, when he challenged longtime African soccer titan Issa Hayatou for a post Hayatou had held for almost three decades. While Ahmad will retain the title of president, his day-to-day role will be limited during Samoura’s tenure.

The 2015 crisis that threatened FIFA’s very existence most likely played a role in its decision to step in. The crimes uncovered by the Federal Bureau of Investigation and Internal Revenue Service largely occurred at the confederation level in the Americas, leaving Infantino and his inner circle to fret about the consequences of not doing anything about potential problems at CAF.

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Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Postby Chester Perry » Thu Jun 20, 2019 12:44 pm

Meanwhile FIFA are steaming ahead with their plan - confirmed in a joint statement with CAF

https://www.fifa.com/about-fifa/who-we- ... fa-and-caf

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Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Postby Chester Perry » Thu Jun 20, 2019 12:54 pm

Now being picked up by the more general press - including this as it has both Infantino's and Ceferin's letters in full

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sport ... chaos.html

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Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Postby Chester Perry » Thu Jun 20, 2019 1:09 pm

In a series of tweets @TariqPanja explains the dilemma for FIFA over the choice of who to lead this task


Suggestion that Fatma Samoura, FIFA’s Secretary General, will lead the group. Raises two issues:
1. Her close relationship with Ahmad
2. How can she undertake FIFA sec gen duties at same time?


Optics also a big issue for FIFA here. Obvious concerns of the “look” of the team being sent from Switzerland to fix African football’s governing body


Big move and one that carries a degree of risk, some already uncomfortable with choice of Samoura given her close personal friendship with Ahmad (who is under an ethics investigation)


Another area of concern is the job title: some are already seeing parallels with those from the colonial era bestowed upon typically -though not exclusively - mustachioed British gents to oversee the colonies (another reason FIFA was sensitive to choice of representative)


However in last hours, Fatma FIFA High Commissioner for Africa Samoura’s job title has switched from FIFA High Commissioner for Africa to FIFA General Delegate for Africa - not clear whether that comes with a specific uniform


Can’t think of another example of an organization seconding its CEO to another organization. Under FIFA statutes, sec gen was supposed tinja-se more powers than the president. Sending Samoura to Africa confirms in some respects how little power she wields at HQ.


Also given the ongoing ethics investigation against Ahmad, several people expressing shock at the choice of Samoura given it is widely said Ahmad was the person who first introduced Samoura to Infantino.

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He also has a note about Ceferin (a lawyer by profession)

Strong opposition to plan from UEFA president, apparently one of few confederation leaders who appears to have considered the implications. He sent a typically punchy reply to FIFA president Gianni Infantino

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Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Postby Chester Perry » Thu Jun 20, 2019 1:21 pm

Offthepitch.com have been looking into what promotion to the Premier League (which promises great riches) has meant to the spending of the clubs who have achieved it.

https://offthepitch.com/a/premier-leagu ... st-survive

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Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Postby Chester Perry » Thu Jun 20, 2019 1:44 pm

I said their would be more diagrams from Vysyble following the release of the 4th Edition of "We're so rich it's unbelieveable" report (see post #1441 - viewtopic.php?f=2&t=20891&hilit=charlton&start=1440) it will be a drip feed unfortunately - here's todays that compares No of teams in Big Six and the 14 achieving Economic Profit in the last decade

https://twitter.com/vysyble/status/1141624792199651328


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