Football's Magic Money Tree

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Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Postby Chester Perry » Thu Feb 07, 2019 7:27 pm

Royboyclaret wrote:To put it in context the latest huge contract signed by Mesut Ozil was valued at £63m whilst Burnley's last reported total Wage bill was £61.2m.


I know which I would rather have

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Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Postby Royboyclaret » Fri Feb 08, 2019 10:18 am

Liverpool this morning announced their financial results to Jun'18 and they make remarkable reading.

Income increased by £90m to £455m and a Club record £190m spent on players.

Pre-tax Profit of £125m compared to £40m in the previous year.

TV Revenue up £66m to £220m and Commercial Revenue up £17m to £154m (following on from recent days' revelations of Commercial Revenue at City and United both approaching £250m). Further evidence, if we needed it, of just how difficult it is for Burnley to compete in the sponsorship market, our comparable figure in the last set of accounts was a mere £6m.
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Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Postby randomclaret2 » Fri Feb 08, 2019 10:35 am

When will our 17/18 accounts be released ?

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Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Postby Royboyclaret » Fri Feb 08, 2019 10:37 am

randomclaret2 wrote:When will our 17/18 accounts be released ?


End of March, randomclaret.

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Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Postby randomclaret2 » Fri Feb 08, 2019 10:54 am

Thanks Roy

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Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Postby Chester Perry » Fri Feb 08, 2019 1:02 pm

Posted a couple of weeks ago about Liverpool's expected meg-profit (#451) but this is bigger than that suggested

bit more detail and perspective -

https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... it-2017-18
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47168032
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/20 ... fits-125m/
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footb ... stars.html
https://www.football365.com/news/liverp ... it-of-125m

Once the hyperbole dissipates then there should be some interesting stories around these figures (I believe Liverpool will be eternally grateful to Barcelona and those fees and agreements around the Coutinho deal - incidentally the man who brokered that deal on Barca's behalf is now in charge of transfers at Arsenal - what could possibly go wrong)

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Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Postby Chester Perry » Sun Feb 10, 2019 7:40 pm

Not my usual kind of post - but what people will do to make money from football (suppose can't say I think Qatar deserve to host the world cup though)

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... f-partners

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Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Postby Royboyclaret » Sun Feb 10, 2019 8:28 pm

Chester Perry wrote:Not my usual kind of post - but what people will do to make money from football (suppose can't say I think Qatar deserve to host the world cup though)

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... f-partners


I guess there'd be an element of poetic justice in such a campaign, on the basis that the Qatar 2022 bid team allegedly sabotaged those of their rivals.

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Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Postby GodIsADeeJay81 » Sun Feb 10, 2019 8:35 pm

Chester Perry wrote:Not my usual kind of post - but what people will do to make money from football (suppose can't say I think Qatar deserve to host the world cup though)

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... f-partners


Reading that article, you have to wonder what his company was doing to the Russians prior to the world cup because there was a lot of scaremongering going on and it went off without a hitch.

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Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Postby Chester Perry » Sun Feb 10, 2019 11:56 pm

It is rumoured within the game that Susanna Dinnage gave backword on taking over from Richard Scudamore at the Premier League after a secret meeting with the big six - who continue to press for a greater share of International TV rights before the agreement made last summer comes into force - no surprise in their greedy pursuit - but what on earth are they playing at in demonstrating that they are going to be impossible to work with

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footb ... clash.html

Also no surprise that they meet regularly to plan their selfish agenda and are believed to have a WhatsApp group - talk about giving Facebook (owners of WhatsApp and general purveyors of high moral and ethical standards who would never dream of spying on anyone) an advantage at the next round of rights-sales

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Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Postby Chester Perry » Mon Feb 11, 2019 1:20 pm

Another good thread from SwissRamble this time on the finances of those reaching the final stages of the Champs and Europa League

https://twitter.com/SwissRamble/status/ ... 1607522309

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Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Postby Chester Perry » Mon Feb 11, 2019 2:28 pm

Aggi posted part one of this last week #482 - a thought provoking article on TV rights - the 2nd part has been published today - what do you think - I love point 3

https://www.football365.com/news/the-fu ... v-part-two

Looking forward to next weeks article now

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Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Postby Chester Perry » Mon Feb 11, 2019 3:55 pm

The BBC have done a little piece called A European Super League: The future of Football?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/47177690

When you have watched this either read the previous post's link if you haven't already or reread it

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Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Postby Buxtonclaret » Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:22 pm

It'll eat itself all together at some point, in smaller, ever greedier circles.
Much prefer the football of yesteryear.

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Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Postby Royboyclaret » Mon Feb 11, 2019 6:14 pm

Chester Perry wrote:Aggi posted part one of this last week #482 - a thought provoking article on TV rights - the 2nd part has been published today - what do you think - I love point 3

https://www.football365.com/news/the-fu ... v-part-two

Looking forward to next weeks article now


Agree, Chester Perry, another brilliant article from John Nicholson. Hard hitting with no punches pulled.

Point 8) is the one that resonates most with me, something that has been at both the front and back of my mind for a long time. We are one of those clubs that are 'trapped' in the 7th to 17th syndrome with avoiding relegation as the as the only real incentive each season.

In every press conference before a Cup match (whether that be FA Cup, League Cup or even Europa League) Sean Dyche is at pains to point out that although we will be paying that competition due respect, the PL will always take priority. Dyche will have been left in no doubt as to where our priorities lie as a club. That really hurts for someone brought up in an era where the FA Cup was held in such high esteem.

The fact that the winners of the FA Cup earn £3.5m compared to over £100m for simply surviving in the PL is a stat that tells us all we need to know regarding the direction football in now heading.

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Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Postby Chester Perry » Mon Feb 11, 2019 6:35 pm

Roy - Judging by the posts around cup games on here - that point is probably the most pertinent to our fans

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Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Postby Chester Perry » Mon Feb 11, 2019 7:06 pm

Aaron Ramsey has found his Magic Money Tree

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47203118

to think some thought we might be able to tempt him only last month - that wage is a galaxy far far away (thank goodness)

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Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Postby tiger76 » Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:45 pm

Buxtonclaret wrote:It'll eat itself all together at some point, in smaller, ever greedier circles.
Much prefer the football of yesteryear.


People have been making this argument for about a decade now,and yet the money keeps on flowing.

A European Super league has been mooted since the 1980's,and although the CL is a more condensed version,for whatever reason the big clubs havn't made the final leap,perhaps they realise that any such venture has the potential to quickly become stale,and if any super league did emerge how would their fans react if say someone like Man City or PSG found themselves in mid-table and not challenging for top dog.

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Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Postby Chester Perry » Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:24 pm

What you see in that piece on the BBC is that fans in countries without a competitive league long for proper sustained competition and believe that the Super League will give them that. Fans in our country want to keep the traditional rivalries and being able to rile their mates at work, Itshould be noted that if all of Utd, City, Liverpool, Arse, Spurs and Chelsea got in that would still be possible for them.

What is driving all this is owners who have little emotional attachment to a club and league historically and/or fear that they are missing the financial juggernaut of the Premier League and consequently fear they will have no place at the top table going forward.

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Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Postby Chester Perry » Wed Feb 13, 2019 11:06 am

Athletico Madrid are much admired as a team who have persistently tried to break the duopoly in Spain in recent years - regularly going deep into the Champions league also - but what is the cost - SwissRamble looks at their first set of financial results since moving to their impressive new Stadium - there is a dark cloud on the horizon, the debt (not interest free owner loans) could be catastrophic,

https://twitter.com/SwissRamble/status/ ... 6715843585

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Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Postby Chester Perry » Wed Feb 13, 2019 11:35 am

So, how do you afford an £83m contract over 4 years when you have just paid £88m for Ronaldo and are paying him £26m a year - the twists and turns of financial management of a super club are a veritable tightrope walk - and yes it comes back to the fans too - would you fancy a 30% rise in season ticket prices.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footb ... amsey.html

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Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Postby Royboyclaret » Wed Feb 13, 2019 12:19 pm

Chester Perry wrote:Athletico Madrid are much admired as a team who have persistently tried to break the duopoly in Spain in recent years - regularly going deep into the Champions league also - but what is the cost - SwissRamble looks at their first set of financial results since moving to their impressive new Stadium - there is a dark cloud on the horizon, the debt (not interest free owner loans) could be catastrophic,

https://twitter.com/SwissRamble/status/ ... 6715843585


Certainly some eye watering numbers there, Chester Perry. Loans of 429m euros over the last seven years.

One table in the link that's worth a second look is Deloittes Income league for 2017/18 which indicates 13 PL clubs within the top 30 European teams. Brighton are 29th with the equivalent of £138m, but we don't feature. Probably for one of two reasons, either we don't quite match that figure of Brighton (although I'd be very surprised if that's the case) or more likely that the only people still aware of our detail to Jun'18 are our Directors.

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Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Postby Chester Perry » Wed Feb 13, 2019 12:41 pm

I keep looking at that Roy and wondering like you - believe you are write re the directors. What I do not understand is why we are not listed in those charts just focusing on TV revenue, as the Premier League have published what we received from them as have the Football League for our League cup games.

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Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Postby Chester Perry » Thu Feb 14, 2019 11:42 am

The power of football - if the authorities pull this off I will be amazed - though countless fans will be grateful - the difficulty is that fans just don't travel from the home town to the away town - they travel from all over the country - how do you compensate that on the cheapest ticket

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/20 ... -football/

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Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Postby Riders » Thu Feb 14, 2019 11:47 am

That's promising. I'm sure it'll take some time for them to iron out all the kinks and find the right model, but if they do it'll be neat.

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Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Postby Chester Perry » Thu Feb 14, 2019 12:22 pm

Riders, it will probably mean either cheapest tickets will cost substantially more or fans will have to pay a slight premium for a ticket that can be transferred for a specific journey this way - I cannot see the rail companies being forced to refund tickets where fans can no longer make the trip due to other commitments.

It is of course one business asking another business to accept a loss while the former is maximising it's earning potential - wouldn't be an issue if the schedules were set in stone 12 weeks in advance would it

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Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Postby Royboyclaret » Thu Feb 14, 2019 12:32 pm

Latest financial results from Manchester United reveal Jose Mourinho and his staff received pay off totalling £19.6m.

Not a bad day's work.

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Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Postby Chester Perry » Thu Feb 14, 2019 12:43 pm

Indeed - waiting for detail before posting a link - meanwhile - this is what a team of Champs League no hopers can achieve off the pitch - startling stuff

"United reported record revenue for the second quarter of the financial year of £208.6m. The club is forecasting annual revenue to be between £615-630 million pounds"

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Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Postby Chester Perry » Thu Feb 14, 2019 2:22 pm

Bit more detail starting to come through on those Utd figures

https://www.football365.com/news/man-un ... -and-staff
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk ... s-15830222

£44m operating profit for the quarter is some going - especially when followed by a transfer window with no buys, though the raft of new deals that have occurred in the last few weeks will push the wage bill up even higher

debt has dropped by just shy of £11m to £318m

Jose personally got £15m - a years wages

In line with recent discussions on here Utd confirmed recent commercial deals and that announcements were to be made on another shortly

We also are starting to see the impact of UEFA's new tv rights deal for the Champions league (there is an interesting table in the SwissRamble piece on Athletico Madrid about ranking payments for the clubs in the Champs League (Utd get 31m euro from that) before earnings from the competition itself, that will no doubt reduce next year if they qualify

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/20 ... -mourinho/
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footb ... nited.html

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Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Postby Chester Perry » Fri Feb 15, 2019 4:04 pm

For the unaware the Guardian have produced a article outlining the tangled web of money power and politics in the European game - take a deep breath before you dive in

https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... nsors-uefa

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Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Postby Chester Perry » Fri Feb 15, 2019 9:10 pm

Watford have posted there financial results for last season (a sizeable loss which may explain the Richarlison deal) SwissRamble has been looking at the figures

https://twitter.com/SwissRamble/status/ ... 8186446848


They have a growing debt especially on transfers - we are the only club in the league who don't have a debt excepting transfers (ignore what it says about Chelsea they owe Roman a £1billion)


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