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Re: Lennon

Postby Silkyskills1 » Sun Sep 16, 2018 6:13 pm

Cuts a sad figure on a football pitch. Should have much more to contribute than he does but playing football is doing nothing to help with/ alleviate any other issues he may have.

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Re: Lennon

Postby IanMcL » Sun Sep 16, 2018 8:37 pm

Negative impact on team. No positive outcomes.
Fell down a mineshaft today, as he was not seen.

Shot.

Some mature and add to their game, e.g. Townsend, others do the same as always, without the benefit of youth.

Should not feature in any Burnley team.

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Re: Lennon

Postby brexit » Sun Sep 16, 2018 9:00 pm

we need to sign George McCartney, jesse starkey and jack hamilton then we would get beat les.

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Re: Lennon

Postby Vino blanco » Sun Sep 16, 2018 9:05 pm

He's rubbish, we shouldn't have signed him. He and Bardsley should be nowhere near the starting eleven. What has Lowton done wrong not to be in the starting eleven? When Boyd and Arfield played wide, at least they worked the ballacks off to contribute to the team effort. Lennon? Sorry he's crapinski.
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Re: Lennon

Postby Papabendi » Sun Sep 16, 2018 9:27 pm

Is he over his problems. I’m not convinced he is, seems to be hiding on the field and not enjoying it one bit
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Re: Lennon

Postby boatshed bill » Sun Sep 16, 2018 9:32 pm

Papabendi wrote:Is he over his problems. I’m not convinced he is, seems to be hiding on the field and not enjoying it one bit


TBH I don't care. How about get on and justify your fantastic wage?
This is a football club, not a therapy session.
Sorry, but I really don't care about the off-field stuff, these players are earning weekly what I would be delighted to earn a year!
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Re: Lennon

Postby TVC15 » Sun Sep 16, 2018 9:36 pm

Looking like one of those costly signings which are very difficult to predict.
He will be on at least £50k a week I reckon but don’t think we paid a transfer fee did we ? So 3 year contract - £9m but there will be no sell on value.
Personally I thought he was a good signing - he has had a good career and you do not play for Spurs and England for as long as he did without being quality.
Everton were in a bit of a mess when we signed him and had just bought Walcott so I thought it was quite a coup.
I thought he was very good on the whole last season and outstanding against Man City - one of the best teams in the world - only a few months ago.

His form this year has been worrying though. But then again so has the form of most of the team. Lennon feels like one of those scapegoat type players but not sure he has been any worse than JBG.

He’s a tough lad is Lennon who has had to deal with a lot in his career and think it’s a bit early to be writing him off. A bit of competition for the 2 wide men’s places would do them a world of good hopefully
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Re: Lennon

Postby elwaclaret » Sun Sep 16, 2018 9:49 pm

I think to judge a player like Lennon in a losing team is to miss the point somewhat. Lennon is for me an old fashioned winger. While the rest of the team is buzzing around he should be on the wing at the half-way line. THAT for me has to be his main job in this formation. Defenders either play fast and lose with his pace or a couple are tied up keeping an eye on him. For me the only question is it SD asking him to track back too much or he himself so he can hide in the pack? Either way needs sorting before we see the real Lennon.

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Re: Lennon

Postby Vino blanco » Sun Sep 16, 2018 10:08 pm

Elwa, what the f.ck do you mean by the real Lennon? He's crap, he's past it. He's a late footballer. Hope I never see him in a starting line up again.

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Re: Lennon

Postby taio » Sun Sep 16, 2018 11:21 pm

elwaclaret wrote:I think to judge a player like Lennon in a losing team is to miss the point somewhat. Lennon is for me an old fashioned winger. While the rest of the team is buzzing around he should be on the wing at the half-way line. THAT for me has to be his main job in this formation. Defenders either play fast and lose with his pace or a couple are tied up keeping an eye on him. For me the only question is it SD asking him to track back too much or he himself so he can hide in the pack? Either way needs sorting before we see the real Lennon.


He's got zero ability to beat a man.

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Re: Lennon

Postby Jakubclaret » Sun Sep 16, 2018 11:27 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:You can thank the board, we have nobody to replace him with


I don’t think bakary Sako would be a bad shout as a free agent, gotta be a better draw than notts forest.

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Re: Lennon

Postby TVC15 » Sun Sep 16, 2018 11:32 pm

taio wrote:He's got zero ability to beat a man.


To be fair he beat a man today in the first half and put in a decent cross.
He has got the ability to beat a man - he’s just not got the confidence at the moment. Just like JBG who might beat one man but is then running into a blind alley.

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Re: Lennon

Postby taio » Sun Sep 16, 2018 11:35 pm

TVC15 wrote:To be fair he beat a man today in the first half and put in a decent cross.
He has got the ability to beat a man - he’s just not got the confidence at the moment. Just like JBG who might beat one man but is then running into a blind alley.


Completely disagree. Lennon has no ability these days to get past his man. And that's what his game was built on. Nothing to do with with confidence. Talent not there any more for him unfortunately

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Re: Lennon

Postby Milltown1882 » Sun Sep 16, 2018 11:38 pm

Beats two players then has a Burnley fan shouting ‘why didn’t you put yourself in hospital and get stretchered off Lennon’. (Don’t say it didn’t happen because it happened on the same row as me)
Some players have no hope with Burnley fans.

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Re: Lennon

Postby TVC15 » Sun Sep 16, 2018 11:41 pm

taio wrote:Completely disagree. Lennon has no ability these days to get past his man. And that's what his game was built on. Nothing to do with with confidence. Talent not there any more for him unfortunately


Ok I get you do not like him. But in the first half today he dropped his shoulder and beat their full back (and I think another defender next to him) and put in a good cross.
Not sure how you explain that if has “no” ability.

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Re: Lennon

Postby taio » Sun Sep 16, 2018 11:44 pm

TVC15 wrote:Ok I get you do not like him. But in the first half today he dropped his shoulder and beat their full back (and I think another defender next to him) and put in a good cross.
Not sure how you explain that if has “no” ability.


How many good games have you seen him have for us?
Would he be in your next starting eleven?

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Re: Lennon

Postby Bullabill » Sun Sep 16, 2018 11:53 pm

TVC15 ............

"He has got the ability to beat a man - he’s just not got the confidence at the moment."

OK,- If he can't do his job right now (for whatever reason) don't pay (yes, pay, not play) him until he is willing and able.
This is not a benevolent society here - on his wages he has to perform whether his head's right or not.

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Re: Lennon

Postby HieronymousBoschHobs » Mon Sep 17, 2018 12:15 am

I like Lennon a lot, I think for the type of player he is (or at least used to be) he's exceptionally good at tracking back and helping out in defence. But he looks to have no confidence whatsoever at the moment, and afraid to either get on the ball or do anything risky with it. What's frustrating is he still shows glimpses of what he can do. He might be better coming on as an impact sub with somebody else starting in his place.

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Re: Lennon

Postby TVC15 » Mon Sep 17, 2018 12:26 am

One this season - away at Preston in a pre season friendly !
But I thought he played well for us last season. Do you seriously think he did not have a great game v Man City ? I thought he played well in plenty of games last season.

Would he be on my next starting eleven ? Probably not - I like the young lad McNeil. But we do not have many options at the moment and we have more players playing badly than not.

Just not sure how you can say that a player is completely gone and has no ability to beat a man.....should never play for Burnley again etc when we are a few weeks into a season. Think Dyche and Lennon deserve a bit more respect and a chance than that. They have both earned it in their careers.

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Re: Lennon

Postby TVC15 » Mon Sep 17, 2018 12:28 am

Bullabill wrote:TVC15 ............

"He has got the ability to beat a man - he’s just not got the confidence at the moment."

OK,- If he can't do his job right now (for whatever reason) don't pay (yes, pay, not play) him until he is willing and able.
This is not a benevolent society here - on his wages he has to perform whether his head's right or not.


If that was the case we would not be paying many of our players. Plus let’s not put 2 and 2 together and get 5 and think it’s something to do with his previous mental issues. What’s everybody else’s excuse for playing sh-ite. He’s just low on confidence and not playing well like 90% of the team

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Re: Lennon

Postby Claretpundit » Mon Sep 17, 2018 1:28 pm

Agree with critical comments about Lennon. Sadly Hendrick and Bardsley also looked woeful. None of these should start against Bournemouth.I don't understand how Bardsley can get the nod over Mat Lowton. At least he has some legs left. In midfield we lack creativity and guile. Hendrick doesn't have either of these and lacks pace. We need Brady and Devour back as soon as possible.

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Re: Lennon

Postby Spike » Mon Sep 17, 2018 1:29 pm

doesn't look for enough space when being proactive. wasnt alert enough to close down the spaces when defending

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Re: Lennon

Postby Dyched » Mon Sep 17, 2018 4:32 pm

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Re: Lennon

Postby Bordeauxclaret » Mon Sep 17, 2018 9:04 pm

It’s a shame Arfield didn’t hang around longer for some first team opportunities.
He’d have been first choice at the moment.

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Re: Lennon

Postby Giftonsnoidea » Mon Sep 17, 2018 9:07 pm

I’d rather have John on the wing at the mo.....

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Re: Lennon

Postby Goody1975 » Mon Sep 17, 2018 9:34 pm

Giftonsnoidea wrote:I’d rather have John on the wing at the mo.....


Yeah, Imagine.

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Re: Lennon

Postby The Enclosure » Mon Sep 17, 2018 9:34 pm

Selling Arfield was a big mistake.....
Ps in hindsight

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Re: Lennon

Postby Goody1975 » Mon Sep 17, 2018 9:35 pm

The Enclosure wrote:Selling Arfield was a big mistake.....


His contract ran out.

The big mistake was not bringing in a replacement rather than letting him go.

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Re: Lennon

Postby tiger76 » Mon Sep 17, 2018 10:19 pm

Goody1975 wrote:His contract ran out.

The big mistake was not bringing in a replacement rather than letting him go.


But the club knew from January onwards Arfield was likely to leave,and should have had some idea on potential replacements,as per too re-active :roll:

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Re: Lennon

Postby Goody1975 » Mon Sep 17, 2018 10:29 pm

tiger76 wrote:But the club knew from January onwards Arfield was likely to leave,and should have had some idea on potential replacements,as per too re-active :roll:


As the scouse kids on the milk advert would say

Exactly!!!

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Re: Lennon

Postby joey13 » Mon Sep 17, 2018 10:34 pm

This having no confidence is just a cop out , how long has he been a professional footballer

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Re: Lennon

Postby Safron » Tue Sep 18, 2018 12:46 pm

I think it's all down to dyche shackling players with his defensive framework not giving them the freedom to express themselves
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Re: Lennon

Postby Flat Stanley » Tue Sep 18, 2018 2:29 pm

Agree Safron. How many wide players have we had that people complained about under Dyche. Boyd, kightly even Arfield criticised by some for not offering enough going forward. It is what Dyche asks of his wide men. They are expected to run and defend and therefore often don't have the energy, speed or power in the final third to be really effective from an attacking point of view. Lennon is the latest targeted by the boo boys.

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Re: Lennon

Postby SparkyClaret » Wed Sep 19, 2018 8:51 am

boatshed bill wrote:TBH I don't care. How about get on and justify your fantastic wage?
This is a football club, not a therapy session.
Sorry, but I really don't care about the off-field stuff, these players are earning weekly what I would be delighted to earn a year!


Because money and wealth are well know cures for all a person's troubles. Moronic comment.

For what it's worth, I'd love to see Lennon tearing down the line, but no-one is telling me that on arrival at Burnley he's suddenly thought "**** that, I'm going to start playing defensively". Pundits were lauding the fact we would defend with 6 at times as a way to nullify the big six, it's the system we play. Suits us fine when someone's dominating possession, but we get rinsed when people let us have the ball because the players you'd expect to be creative are too busy playing defensively.

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Re: Lennon

Postby boatshed bill » Wed Sep 19, 2018 11:02 am

[quote="SparkyClaret"]Because money and wealth are well know cures for all a person's troubles. Moronic comment.

If it's not, why do they continue to pursue it?

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Re: Lennon

Postby moaninclaret » Wed Sep 19, 2018 11:41 am

Woeful today, but not on his own, i was shouting my opinions from the stand, one of our fans in the row below me turned to me and said Lennon was doing his best, you can imagine my reaction, its difficult to see where a win is coming from based on this performance.

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Re: Lennon

Postby Hedontplayforyou » Wed Sep 19, 2018 12:14 pm

Hardly a target for the boo boys. Ok Dyche asks them to defend but that doesn’t stop him from taking a man on does it. He’s got to do better and the sensitive souls need to realise that, it’s not just him either Bardsley was woeful, shouldn’t be near that team, Hendrick played the easiest pass every time and let others take responsibility, Barnes was bullied by Boly and offered nothing. Wood was too soft , Cork looks goosed because he is trying too hard to do everything in the middle of the park....there equal boos for players

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Re: Lennon

Postby Steve1956 » Wed Sep 19, 2018 12:17 pm

I like Lennon,like someone once said form is temporary class is permanent ......get behind the lad it might help him eh?
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Re: Lennon

Postby claretspice » Wed Sep 19, 2018 12:52 pm

moaninclaret wrote:Woeful today, but not on his own, i was shouting my opinions from the stand, one of our fans in the row below me turned to me and said Lennon was doing his best, you can imagine my reaction, its difficult to see where a win is coming from based on this performance.


I think this post sort of sums up the slightly farcical over-reaction to what is a bad few games.

Leaving aside the general noise, and some of the comments referencing Lennon's private life (not sure they're necessary or appropriate), I don't think anyone would claim we've got the best out of Lennon yet. I suspect that is partly down to Lennon being a bit below his best, and partly because as a team we've been unable, in his period at Burnley, to give him the platform to showcase what he can do.

What I don't think it is down to at all is his work rate or attitude. I don't think I've seen him fail to work hard and diligently for us, both in and out of possession. That doesn't mean he hasn't switched off on occasions, or assumed others would deal with situations better than they have. But in part that's probably because this is to all intents and purposes the first time in his career that Lennon has found himself in a team like ours, which is both set up to counter-punch and would consider a par season to be a season when we finish in the bottom half but clear of the relegation battle. Irrespective of his work rate, that means we place completely different demands on him than those he's been used to during 12 years at Everton and Spurs and in re-learning those demands he's going to have lapses occasionally.

As an attacking threat, he's always been a bit of an untidy and inconsistent player, and we've seen that at times. But I don't think he's hiding so much as not getting the sorts of ball he thrives upon. He got one opportunity to isolate the full back on his chosen right wing on Sunday, and he beat the full back and stood up a decent cross - so as much as he can do. Generally, he's a player who wants to receive the ball facing the opposition goal, running onto the ball (his classic play has always been to make a darting run in between the full back and centre back, from out to in). The way we've set up in the past few months (in Defour's absence we've played 4-4-2 more), and the lack of a penetrating passer like Defour and to a lesser extent Brady, means we've not given him very much of that ball at all. Instead he's been asked to hold his position, take a lot of ball with his back to goal, and so on. I don't think that's helped him to bed into the team and thrive.

But he's still a good player. I'd like to think that when we get Defour back, with his ability to find space, break lines and find a telling pass, those two are capable of striking up a really good understanding - two really experienced campaigners who are used to playing at a higher level and who will hopefully be on each other's wavelengths. I think we should judge Lennon then, and in the meantime give him all the backing that all our players need during a difficult spell.
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Re: Lennon

Postby boatshed bill » Wed Sep 19, 2018 2:11 pm

As an attacking threat, he's always been a bit of an untidy and inconsistent player, and we've seen that at times. But I don't think he's hiding so much as not getting the sorts of ball he thrives upon. He got one opportunity to isolate the full back on his chosen right wing on Sunday, and he beat the full back and stood up a decent cross - so as much as he can do.

We've seen this a few times, and he beats his full back easily. End product can be hit and miss, but there's never much to aim for.
I wish our "wingers" would start their attacking play from as wide as possible at all times to stretch the play. Only my opinion, but we seem to allow teams to get packed in defence too easily.

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Re: Lennon

Postby TVC15 » Wed Sep 19, 2018 2:32 pm

Lennon`s form this season is definitely being impacted by the form of the rest of our team.
When Bardsley plays Lennon gets zero quality service from his full back.

When Lowton is playing well he is a great full back to have playing alongside either Lennon or JBG (or any winger).

There is also not much quality coming from our midfield at the moment.

When the team is not clicking like ours is this season the wingers do tend to take more flack as they are the ones who are expected to beat men, provide a spark etc...but Lennon and JBG`s confidence and form are also low and things are just not coming off for either and to a degree (especially with the Lennon) they start to take the easy option and not take on their man or not put in a first time cross and pass it back to the full back.

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Re: Lennon

Postby jrgbfc » Wed Sep 19, 2018 3:16 pm

No point in Dyche signing the likes of Lennon and then trying to convert them into workhorses. We may as well have stuck with Arfield and Boyd if that's what he wants. Lennon's strength all his career has been hugging the touchline and going at his full back, whereas our wingers spend all their time tracking back or being told to tuck infield to make us as compact as possible.


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