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Post by kentonclaret » Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:22 pm

During the January window we are told that prices are over inflated as a reason for not doing any business, and during the summer we find ourselves priced out of a competitive market by nearly all of the other PL clubs and the big city Championship clubs prepared to pay the high wages.

The simple truth of the matter is that without outside investment we have allowed several transfer windows to open and close with no incomings, and be left with the same group of players becoming stale and very hard for a manager to motivate, with our style of play becoming very predictable
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Post by Sproggy » Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:51 pm

Not quite true. We've blown close to £50 million in fees and wages on players that have had a limited impact on the 1st team over the last couple of years. We have money and do pay good wages, we've just failed to spend it well.

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Post by Wile E Coyote » Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:03 pm

so to sum up, we are in a bad way on and off the pitch.

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Post by Tricky Trevor » Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:12 pm

kentonclaret wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:22 pm
left with the same group of players becoming stale and very hard for a manager to motivate, with our style of play becoming very predictable
Totally agree with this point. It is the turn over in playing personnel that keeps a squad competitive. Game time helps. You can only preach the same tale so often then they switch off.

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Post by jackmiggins » Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:15 pm

Saturday is massive for me. Win, & the whole mood will lift. Dread to think about a loss.

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Post by randomclaret2 » Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:17 pm

Not a chance we'll win on Saturday
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Post by Safron » Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:18 pm

jackmiggins wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:15 pm
Saturday is massive for me. Win, & the whole mood will lift. Dread to think about a loss.
Expect nothing then you won't be disappointed 👍

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Post by Barry_Chuckle » Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:20 pm

jackmiggins wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:15 pm
Saturday is massive for me. Win, & the whole mood will lift. Dread to think about a loss.
We'll be fine then seen as we play Sunday. ;)

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Post by MACCA » Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:20 pm

jackmiggins wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:15 pm
Saturday is massive for me. Win, & the whole mood will lift. Dread to think about a loss.
I'll give you 100/1 for us to win Saturday, just cant see it myself

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Post by SGr » Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:22 pm

kentonclaret wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:22 pm
During the January window we are told that prices are over inflated as a reason for not doing any business, and during the summer we find ourselves priced out of a competitive market by nearly all of the other PL clubs and the big city Championship clubs prepared to pay the high wages.

The simple truth of the matter is that without outside investment we have allowed several transfer windows to open and close with no incomings, and be left with the same group of players becoming stale and very hard for a manager to motivate, with our style of play becoming very predictable
Spot on
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Post by Goobs » Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:54 pm

Jakubs Tash wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:08 pm
Koiki to replace McNeil in the squad or on the left wing?
In the squad as a left sided player. Not trying to compare them or say he is close to being good enough just that he can play the same position and has been in and around the squad this year.

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Post by arise_sir_charge » Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:05 pm

The talk of championship clubs paying better wages that we do is nonsense, arguable that two or three might not other than that we can outpay everyone else.

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Post by Blackrod » Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:06 pm

It’s as though we think the market will move in our favour whilst we stand back aghast. It won’t. If we haven’t put structures in place to source from elsewhere ( as we should have known this for a while) we may as well put the white flag up and say we are not participating but thanks very much for all the money you pay us.
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Post by jojomk1 » Fri Jan 17, 2020 10:52 am

Brentford looking to sign Slovakia striker Robert Bozenic (and they seem to have a proactive recruitment team)

Never heard of him but if Brentford rate him ? :D

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Post by FactualFrank » Fri Jan 17, 2020 11:04 am

A bit in the Burnley Express saying if we wanted any new signing to be able to start against Leicester, they would have needed to have been signed by midday today.

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Post by boatshed bill » Fri Jan 17, 2020 11:34 am

Am I on the right thread? :? :? :?
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Post by FeedTheArf » Fri Jan 17, 2020 12:24 pm

Vedat Muriqi linked by HITC

https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2020/01/17/d ... m-attacke/

I know it's rubbish and I know it won't happen, but hey, it's a slow news day so take what you can get!

Fire up YouTube and watch a video of him looking like a world beater - it'll pass 10 minutes

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Post by FactualFrank » Fri Jan 17, 2020 12:27 pm

FeedTheArf wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 12:24 pm
Vedat Muriqi linked by HITC
https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2020/01/17/d ... m-attacke/
I know it's rubbish and I know it won't happen, but hey, it's a slow news day so take what you can get!
Fire up YouTube and watch a video of him looking like a world beater - it'll pass 10 minutes
I read that Spurs are interested and have already had a bid turned down.

As you say, one we can safely forget about happening.

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Post by ClaretMov » Fri Jan 17, 2020 12:30 pm

The bids are around 20 million Burnley probably thought it was 2.0 million and didn't see the decimal point :lol: :lol:
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Post by Reckoner » Fri Jan 17, 2020 12:39 pm

ClaretMov wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 12:30 pm
The bids are around 20 million Burnley probably thought it was 2.0 million and didn't see the decimal point :lol: :lol:
Hilarious

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Post by Right_winger » Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:33 pm

Sadly I think if we sign anyone it will be an unwanted has-been who is in the twilight of his career, or some overpriced bang average player from the championship who won’t get a start until next season anyway.

It’s how we do things under this management.
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Post by Spijed » Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:51 pm

Right_winger wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:33 pm
Sadly I think if we sign anyone it will be an unwanted has-been who is in the twilight of his career, or some overpriced bang average player from the championship who won’t get a start until next season anyway.

It’s how we do things under this management.
But you can't argue that the way we do things has brought us far more success than we could realistically have hoped for.

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Post by Goobs » Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:08 pm

Spijed wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:51 pm
But you can't argue that the way we do things has brought us far more success than we could realistically have hoped for.
Oh I bet he can.

If We won the league, he'd complain about the style of football or that we didn't go undefeated.

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Post by Reckoner » Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:26 pm

Unfortunately most of the regular contributors to this board are just miserable human beings looking for any reason to complain or whinge. Its just their inherent nature. The same ones complaining about the attempts to control the financial side of the club would be the first ones crying if we went down and were burdened financially, like so many clubs have done in the past after gambling with moneys paid on fees and wages. The reality is at some stage we will be relegated and this year is a possibility. Of all the teams in the Premier League how many have never been in the Championship or lower i the last 15 years or so? Probably only the traditional big 6 and Everton, and Everton have skirted it at least a couple of times. So to think a club with our finances should gamble and risk a much bigger slide than a relegation to the Championship is just idiotic.

Its a difficult patch, and the football isn't amazing on the eye at the moment because things aren't clicking, we've had players suffering with injuries and confidence is low.

Given what the board and the management teams (and I include Coyle and Howe in this) have done to get the results on and off the pitch that we have in the last 10 years, I think the very least they deserve is respect, trust and support rather than a pathetic charade of trying to pick holes and find fault in decisions where people haven't the slightest idea of the details.
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Post by Wile E Coyote » Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:42 pm

Reckoner wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:26 pm
Unfortunately most of the regular contributors to this board are just miserable human beings looking for any reason to complain or whinge. Its just their inherent nature. The same ones complaining about the attempts to control the financial side of the club would be the first ones crying if we went down and were burdened financially, like so many clubs have done in the past after gambling with moneys paid on fees and wages. The reality is at some stage we will be relegated and this year is a possibility. Of all the teams in the Premier League how many have never been in the Championship or lower i the last 15 years or so? Probably only the traditional big 6 and Everton, and Everton have skirted it at least a couple of times. So to think a club with our finances should gamble and risk a much bigger slide than a relegation to the Championship is just idiotic.

Its a difficult patch, and the football isn't amazing on the eye at the moment because things aren't clicking, we've had players suffering with injuries and confidence is low.

Given what the board and the management teams (and I include Coyle and Howe in this) have done to get the results on and off the pitch that we have in the last 10 years, I think the very least they deserve is respect, trust and support rather than a pathetic charade of trying to pick holes and find fault in decisions where people haven't the slightest idea of the details.

cobblers,
fans are entitled to air their views wrong or right about their club.
Its that sort of game. Just because supporters expect to see a club being strengthened and maintaining their status, doesn't equate to whinging .
Dyche needs backing in order to achieve things here, and he isnt getting enough of it.
respect is a two way street, the fans deserve to be seeing the club throwing the kitchen sink at staying up having backed them all the way through the dark days.
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Post by joey13 » Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:51 pm

Reckoner wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:26 pm
Unfortunately most of the regular contributors to this board are just miserable human beings looking for any reason to complain or whinge. Its just their inherent nature. The same ones complaining about the attempts to control the financial side of the club would be the first ones crying if we went down and were burdened financially, like so many clubs have done in the past after gambling with moneys paid on fees and wages. The reality is at some stage we will be relegated and this year is a possibility. Of all the teams in the Premier League how many have never been in the Championship or lower i the last 15 years or so? Probably only the traditional big 6 and Everton, and Everton have skirted it at least a couple of times. So to think a club with our finances should gamble and risk a much bigger slide than a relegation to the Championship is just idiotic.

Its a difficult patch, and the football isn't amazing on the eye at the moment because things aren't clicking, we've had players suffering with injuries and confidence is low.

Given what the board and the management teams (and I include Coyle and Howe in this) have done to get the results on and off the pitch that we have in the last 10 years, I think the very least they deserve is respect, trust and support rather than a pathetic charade of trying to pick holes and find fault in decisions where people haven't the slightest idea of the details.
Sorry but aren’t you complaining and whinging?
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Post by Hapag Lloyd » Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:53 pm

Wile E Coyote wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:42 pm

the fans deserve to be seeing the club throwing the kitchen sink at staying up having backed them all the way through the dark days.
The fans that “backed them all the way through the dark days” are probably not the ones doing the whinging.
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Post by alboclaret » Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:02 pm

Reckoner wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:26 pm
So to think a club with our finances should gamble and risk a much bigger slide than a relegation to the Championship is just idiotic
There is some middle ground between the extremes.
Know one is saying we should be risking a big slide.

One or 2 players over 3/4 windows is what people expect to try and maintain a fresh squad.

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Post by Vegas Claret » Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:29 pm

Hapag Lloyd wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:53 pm
The fans that “backed them all the way through the dark days” are probably not the ones doing the whinging.
I do plenty of constructive criticism (but fully understand the club's position and reasoning), I started going in 1983 so went through the dark days - they are utterly irrelevant to what is happening now.

If I was there in the 50's and 60's when we were one of the top teams would my concerns be more valid ?? :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Post by ClaretAndJew » Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:44 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:29 pm
I do plenty of constructive criticism (but fully understand the club's position and reasoning), I started going in 1983 so went through the dark days - they are utterly irrelevant to what is happening now.

If I was there in the 50's and 60's when we were one of the top teams would my concerns be more valid ?? :lol: :lol: :lol:
I never understand this mind set that people have. They say Oh remember Orient 30 years ago!

But where does that end? Can we talk about winning the league? Or the FA Cup?

History is irrelevant.
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Post by IanMcL » Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:45 pm

There is a reality....

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Post by kentonclaret » Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:51 pm

Sadly, seldom found anywhere on this forum.

The slightest mention that the purse strings could be loosened brings a chorus of "we don't want to end up like Bolton".

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Post by ClaretAndJew » Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:53 pm

BOLTON PORTSMOUTH SUNDERLAND!!!!!!!!!!!

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Post by Goobs » Fri Jan 17, 2020 4:05 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:44 pm
I never understand this mind set that people have. They say Oh remember Orient 30 years ago!

But where does that end? Can we talk about winning the league? Or the FA Cup?

History is irrelevant.
People are using the Orient game to highlight where we could easily end up if we overspend and it fails. This is much less likely to happen with our prudent approach and is a reality that we have to face as a very small club playing amongst the big boys.

The FA Cup you can rightly talk about us winning as there is still a possibility that could happen as it is essentially down to six one off games that could all be against teams you are expected to beat / luck of the draw / catching teams on a bad day. the league on the other hand..........

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Post by Goobs » Fri Jan 17, 2020 4:08 pm

kentonclaret wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:51 pm
Sadly, seldom found anywhere on this forum.

The slightest mention that the purse strings could be loosened brings a chorus of "we don't want to end up like Bolton".
But we have spent money and when it hasn't worked (Gibson, Vydra etc) those that like a moan then complain we have wasted money and should be spending even more which isn't always viable.

The reality is that we are unlikely to be able to much improve the squad we have without either getting very lucky or spending massively.

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Post by TVC15 » Fri Jan 17, 2020 5:04 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:44 pm
I never understand this mind set that people have. They say Oh remember Orient 30 years ago!

But where does that end? Can we talk about winning the league? Or the FA Cup?

History is irrelevant.
Irrelevant to what ?
Irrelevant to how we play on Sunday and the rest of the season I agree - but so is last week to a degree.
History is however very relevant to a lot of fans - for many reasons. Gives a lot of us great memories and also a large amount of perspective - it’s what separates a lot of those people who are consistently negative about Dyche and the club to those who realise that things could be and have been a hell of a lot worse - in fact they have been rarely better than the last few years for many fans.

History also is very helpful in evidencing what has happened to many other football clubs when they do the kind of things that people on this board are advocating - spending more than we can afford, getting rid of the manager, getting rid of the current owners etc
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Post by Taffy on the wing » Fri Jan 17, 2020 5:06 pm

IanMcL wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:45 pm
There is a reality....
Apparently not in Las Vegas!

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Post by boatshed bill » Fri Jan 17, 2020 5:08 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:44 pm
I never understand this mind set that people have. They say Oh remember Orient 30 years ago!

But where does that end? Can we talk about winning the league? Or the FA Cup?

History is irrelevant.


The orient game is simply the most important game and day in the history of Burnley football Club, and will never be forgotten.
Of course history is relevant
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Post by jojomk1 » Fri Jan 17, 2020 5:15 pm

Goobs wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 4:08 pm
But we have spent money and when it hasn't worked (Gibson, Vydra etc) those that like a moan then complain we have wasted money and should be spending even more which isn't always viable.

The reality is that we are unlikely to be able to much improve the squad we have without either getting very lucky or spending massively.
Spending the money we have on Gibson and Vydra has been a waste, surely you can't argue against that - add to that DD

But to suggest we can't improve this squad without being lucky or spending massively is also not the issue

The fact remains that, despite numerous changes within the recruitment team, we have failed in the last two years to bring in a single player deemed good enough to start

Do we seriously have to think of spending upwards of £20m plus to improve on the likes of Lowton, Lennon, JBG, Brady, Cork or Westwood

That would put them in, at least, the £15m bracket and to get that money we would have to be VERY lucky

The recruitment team, and that's including Dyche, have been poor at best. Garlick may be the one to sign the cheques but given our record over the last two years I can somewhat understand his nervousness about spending a lot on a single player

Also, where have we bid these large amounts in the past ? Phillips was touted around £20m last summer but Vydra was part of the make up of that bid so not all cash

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Post by FactualFrank » Fri Jan 17, 2020 5:24 pm

jojomk1 wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 5:15 pm
Spending the money we have on Gibson and Vydra has been a waste, surely you can't argue against that
The money on Gibson is only a waste, after the fact.
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Post by Row Z » Fri Jan 17, 2020 5:34 pm

Goobs wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 4:08 pm

The reality is that we are unlikely to be able to much improve the squad we have without either getting very lucky or spending massively.
I don't agree with you... Having two CMs, one of which has been bang average for two seasons (or three if you include Hendrick who we know the manager doesn't rate in there) is an injury away from us guaranteeing relegation.

Teams need to have a squad and we have been light in CM for years. Any championship CM would therefore improve the squad, the signing doesn't have to be marquee, it just needs to strengthen us sufficiently.

The issue around Vydra and Gibson is that they were fulfilling the above roles but cost £26m between them. For those fees and the size of our club, those types of signings need to be on the pitch.

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Post by kentonclaret » Fri Jan 17, 2020 6:07 pm

I remember when the line used to be trotted out that Burnley Football Club had the blueprint for Premier League survival.

Obviously people didn't read the small print where it stated that even after surviving several seasons in the PL they still won't be able to afford to bring in any first team players.
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Re: BFC TRANSFER NEWS Jan 2020(MUST CONTAIN LINK)

Post by Longsidebogs » Fri Jan 17, 2020 6:16 pm

So......exactly how did Vydra and Gibson become so poor that they can’t get near our team. Both were very highly rated and were bought for big money (by Burnley standards). It’s criminal how these have been basically left to rot. How would other clubs managers have utilised these two? And as for not strengthening our joke of a midfield over several transfer windows, that is simply not good enough. Nowhere near good enough!

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Post by kentonclaret » Fri Jan 17, 2020 6:23 pm

Both players not deemed good enough for first team duty but can't be loaned out to get playing time because we are so short on numbers. Therefore they just sit on the bench surplus to requirements unless injuries strike. A shocking waste of our money and of the player's talents.

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Post by tom210 » Fri Jan 17, 2020 6:25 pm

Where are the friggin links?
Can we all not read?

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Post by FactualFrank » Fri Jan 17, 2020 6:27 pm

kentonclaret wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 6:23 pm
Both players not deemed good enough for first team duty but can't be loaned out to get playing time because we are so short on numbers. Therefore they just sit on the bench surplus to requirements unless injuries strike. A shocking waste of our money and of the player's talents.
But this happens in football. You need a squad, in case somebody gets injured - just because Tarks and Mee haven't been injured, that doesn't make Gibson a waste of a transfer, unless you knew neither would get injured prior to signing him.

And this is what some posters seem to be suggesting - that they knew neither of our central defenders would miss many games.

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Post by Vegas Claret » Fri Jan 17, 2020 6:30 pm

Taffy on the wing wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 5:06 pm
Apparently not in Las Vegas!
are you on drugs ?

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Post by kentonclaret » Fri Jan 17, 2020 6:34 pm

I notice you concentrate on Gibson failing to mention Vydra.

Should get plenty of opportunity now that Barnes is ruled out for several weeks.

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Post by gsyclaret » Fri Jan 17, 2020 6:43 pm

Still no transfer bickering,whoops I mean't news .

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Post by Taffy on the wing » Fri Jan 17, 2020 7:00 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:29 pm
I do plenty of constructive criticism (but fully understand the club's position and reasoning), I started going in 1983 so went through the dark days - they are utterly irrelevant to what is happening now.

If I was there in the 50's and 60's when we were one of the top teams would my concerns be more valid ?? :lol: :lol: :lol:
I'm not on drugs!........But you have been a continuous Whiner on here for weeks now...I haven't seen much "constructive criticism" as much as i've seen continual criticism!

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