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Offside law?

Post by Tricky Trevor » Sat Feb 15, 2020 8:45 am

Has the offside law changed?
When I played you could only be offside from a forward pass. The disallowed Wolves goal, last night, the corner taker was given offside, by VAR, when his teammate returned the ball to him but it went backwards. If the VAR ref got that wrong he needs canning.

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Re: Offside law?

Post by Quickenthetempo » Sat Feb 15, 2020 8:49 am

I thought the same last night but the BT panel all agreed it was right after the explanation from their studio ref.

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Re: Offside law?

Post by Buxtonclaret » Sat Feb 15, 2020 8:53 am

I was wondering too. But they seems to be endlessly tinkering with the rules these days.
Really can understand the Wolves fans doing their nuts at that decision.
.... I still reckon they did us though.

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Re: Offside law?

Post by Tall Paul » Sat Feb 15, 2020 8:55 am

It isn't the case that the ball must be played forward, only the position of the players is relevant.

I think this has always been the case. Obviously it's very unusual for an offside offence if the ball is played backwards.
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Re: Offside law?

Post by RammyClaret61 » Sat Feb 15, 2020 8:56 am

Remember when we use to ridicule woman about not knowing the offside law? Well..........
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Re: Offside law?

Post by KellyClaret » Sat Feb 15, 2020 8:58 am

He's in front of the ball (albeit marginally) when the ball is played. He is moving from a offside position to onside position to collect the ball. This has been classified as offside for as long as I can remember.

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Re: Offside law?

Post by dpinsussex » Sat Feb 15, 2020 9:07 am

Ultimately from reading the scenario he gained an advantage from being in an offside position.

Marginally is irrelevant btw

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Re: Offside law?

Post by RammyClaret61 » Sat Feb 15, 2020 9:15 am

I have a question about VAR and offside. Once the screen says “offside” is that it? Or can the ref go to the pitch side monitor to look at it?

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Re: Offside law?

Post by Quickenthetempo » Sat Feb 15, 2020 9:18 am

dpinsussex wrote:
Sat Feb 15, 2020 9:07 am
Ultimately from reading the scenario he gained an advantage from being in an offside position.

Marginally is irrelevant btw
He didn't gain an advantage. Best to watch it.

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Re: Offside law?

Post by KellyClaret » Sat Feb 15, 2020 9:20 am

Quickenthetempo wrote:
Sat Feb 15, 2020 9:18 am
He didn't gain an advantage. Best to watch it.
Well Wolves went on to score from the position. However marginal, he was offisde. The rule was followed correctly.

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Re: Offside law?

Post by Ric_C » Sat Feb 15, 2020 9:31 am

If the ball was played backwards, wasn’t he at a disadvantage from being beyond the last defender rather than gaining an advantage?

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Re: Offside law?

Post by KellyClaret » Sat Feb 15, 2020 9:31 am

RammyClaret61 wrote:
Sat Feb 15, 2020 9:15 am
I have a question about VAR and offside. Once the screen says “offside” is that it? Or can the ref go to the pitch side monitor to look at it?
Why would he need to? Offside is a black and white issue, the player is either off or on. There is no subjectivity or grey area.

Whether the player is proved to offisde by 1mm or 1m, he is still offside.

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Re: Offside law?

Post by KellyClaret » Sat Feb 15, 2020 9:33 am

Ric_C wrote:
Sat Feb 15, 2020 9:31 am
If the ball was played backwards, wasn’t he at a disadvantage from being beyond the last defender rather than gaining an advantage?
It's irrelevant whether the player gains an advantage or not - that is not the rule.

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Re: Offside law?

Post by Rileybobs » Sat Feb 15, 2020 9:34 am

KellyClaret wrote:
Sat Feb 15, 2020 9:31 am
Why would he need to? Offside is a black and white issue, the player is either off or on. There is no subjectivity or grey area.

Whether the player is proved to offisde by 1mm or 1m, he is still offside.
Not strictly true. For example in the case where an attacker is deemed to be interfering with play for standing in the goalkeepers eyeline.

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Re: Offside law?

Post by KellyClaret » Sat Feb 15, 2020 9:40 am

Rileybobs wrote:
Sat Feb 15, 2020 9:34 am
Not strictly true. For example in the case where an attacker is deemed to be interfering with play for standing in the goalkeepers eyeline.
Yep, absolutely agree, I should have been more specific. I am talking about the situation when a ball is directly played to a player in a potential offisde position without any other interference.

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Re: Offside law?

Post by tim_noone » Sat Feb 15, 2020 9:43 am

I don't particularly care any more... even if it's clear and obvious.

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Re: Offside law?

Post by bobinho » Sat Feb 15, 2020 9:44 am

Tall Paul wrote:
Sat Feb 15, 2020 8:55 am
It isn't the case that the ball must be played forward, only the position of the players is relevant.

I think this has always been the case. Obviously it's very unusual for an offside offence if the ball is played backwards.
Blown everything I have ever thought about offside right out the water. I have always thought the ball had to be played FORWARD for the flag to go up. Ah well, every days a school day.

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Re: Offside law?

Post by Ashingtonclaret46 » Sat Feb 15, 2020 10:51 am

Interesting that fans mark referees every week on this forum, I wonder how many really know The Laws of the Game?

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Re: Offside law?

Post by agreenwood » Sat Feb 15, 2020 11:03 am

Ashingtonclaret46 wrote:
Sat Feb 15, 2020 10:51 am
Interesting that fans mark referees every week on this forum, I wonder how many really know The Laws of the Game?
There are lots of niche aspects of the Laws of the Game that even some referees/linesmen won’t know or remember.

Last nights call was extremely rare. How often does a player start in an offside position to receive a ball being played backwards? Even on short corners your usually have sufficient players on the line to keep them onside.

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Re: Offside law?

Post by Tricky Trevor » Sat Feb 15, 2020 11:04 am

Ashingtonclaret46 wrote:
Sat Feb 15, 2020 10:51 am
Interesting that fans mark referees every week on this forum, I wonder how many really know The Laws of the Game?
You need to train as a barrister to get through them, Ash. I have just been on the FA website and the poster above is correct it does just say a touch of the ball. You are senior to me and have reffed so was I correct that it used to be a forward pass?

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Re: Offside law?

Post by agreenwood » Sat Feb 15, 2020 11:06 am

There will have been professional referees and linesmen watching at home who wouldn’t have batted an eyelid had that goal been allowed in a pre-VAR world.

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Re: Offside law?

Post by brexit » Sat Feb 15, 2020 11:21 am

This site beggars belief - the only fans in the world who understand the laws of football are the zimmers in The BL

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Re: Offside law?

Post by 2 Bee Holed » Sat Feb 15, 2020 11:46 am

Law

In order to be offside one of the conditions is:

:: any part of the head, body or feet is nearer to the opponents’ goal line than both the ball and the second-last opponent

In other words, as I interpret it. You cannot be offside if you are behind the ball or put simply the ball is played backwards to you.

So we oldies have it right! IMO. Except, see below

I haven't seen last night's incident but I assume the ball was played backwards to him.
However, at the corner the ball would be considered dead? As soon as the corner is taken the ball is active and is nearer to the goal line, and so I suppose this is the only occasion when you can be offside from a ball played backwards.

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Re: Offside law?

Post by Ashingtonclaret46 » Sat Feb 15, 2020 11:57 am

agreenwood wrote:
Sat Feb 15, 2020 11:06 am
There will have been professional referees and linesmen watching at home who wouldn’t have batted an eyelid had that goal been allowed in a pre-VAR world.
True, however, that is not the football world in which we now live at the higher levels!
I would think that, had that goal been scored in any English game outside of the PL, it would have stood. There was not one player who appealed for offside or even thought that there may have been an infringement and Mike Dean had given the goal.

Trevor, I have to admit that, in my time as an official, I can never recall an instance where offside has been given as it was last night. My own feeling is that there must have been several occasions when a short corner was taken and the player taking it had received the ball again, exactly as last night, but it would never have occurred to me that he could have been offside. Quite frankly, I still think that this sort of thing is ruining the game.

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Re: Offside law?

Post by 2 Bee Holed » Sat Feb 15, 2020 12:10 pm

Actually having read my exception, even that is not right.
He is behind the ball.

I have now seen the incident, it stinks.
The receiver cannot be offside from a corner.

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Re: Offside law?

Post by Tall Paul » Sat Feb 15, 2020 12:17 pm

2 Bee Holed wrote:
Sat Feb 15, 2020 12:10 pm
Actually having read my exception, even that is not right.
He is behind the ball.

I have now seen the incident, it stinks.
The receiver cannot be offside from a corner.
It was the corner taker, Neto (?) who was offside when Jota passed the ball back to him. He wasn't behind the ball when it was passed.

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Re: Offside law?

Post by alboclaret » Sat Feb 15, 2020 12:48 pm

Nothing to do with the direction of the ball....its if you are in front of the ball

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Re: Offside law?

Post by 2 Bee Holed » Sat Feb 15, 2020 1:26 pm

So in 99.9% of occasions
If you are behind the ball the ball must have been played backwards to you.

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