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FAO Spades

Post by huw.Y.WattfromWare » Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:25 pm

Good day, your Majesty. Education required. I came across this sentence in a book I was reading and know you’ll be able to tell me why one is grammatically correct and the other isn’t.
“Express checkouts at the supermarket are irritating enough just for saying ‘five items or less’ when grammatically speaking it should be ‘five items or fewer’”.
My English language ‘O’ level didn’t cover this level.
Thank you.

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Re: FAO Spades

Post by !aiboforceN » Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:33 pm

One can have less of a thing (singular)... or fewer things (plural), e.g. less sugar, or fewer grains of sugar

In your example "5 items or fewer", items is plural so fewer is correct.
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Re: FAO Spades

Post by spadesclaret » Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:36 pm

Hello huw.

'fewer' should be used when the subject you are talking about can be counted e.g. marbles - There are fewer marbles in my tin than in his.

'less' should be used when talking about one thing e.g. butter - There is less butter on my toast than on yours.

Always notice whether you are using 'are' and 'were' or 'is' and 'was'. Are/were = fewer. Is/was = less.
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Re: FAO Spades

Post by spadesclaret » Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:37 pm

That wretched !aibo beat me to it. I didn't bring him up to beat me to it!

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Re: FAO Spades

Post by !aiboforceN » Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:39 pm

Apologies - I knew I shouldn't have! Just demonstrating that I did listen occasionally ;)
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Re: FAO Spades

Post by kritichris » Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:41 pm

The less said the better. (or not in this case)
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Post by huw.Y.WattfromWare » Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:59 pm

Thank you both. Such a simple answer and I’d never come across it before. It won’t be forgotten.
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Post by spadesclaret » Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:49 pm

He even beat me to it with his 'like'. Grrr!

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Re: FAO Spades

Post by tybfc » Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:01 pm

Bit slow their spades.

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Post by spadesclaret » Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:56 pm

tybfc wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:01 pm
Bit slow their spades.
It's my age. It's past my bedtime.

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Re: FAO Spades

Post by DCWat » Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:58 pm

spadesclaret wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:36 pm
Hello huw.

'fewer' should be used when the subject you are talking about can be counted e.g. marbles - There are fewer marbles in my tin than in his.

'less' should be used when talking about one thing e.g. butter - There is less butter on my toast than on yours.

Always notice whether you are using 'are' and 'were' or 'is' and 'was'. Are/were = fewer. Is/was = less.
Unless the toast was being spread with the little foil sachets of butter? :)

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Re: FAO Spades

Post by spadesclaret » Wed Jul 01, 2020 12:02 am

DCWat wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:58 pm
Unless the toast was being spread with the little foil sachets of butter? :)
In which case it would be, 'There are fewer little foil sachets of butter on my toast than on yours.' ;)
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Re: FAO Spades

Post by The Enclosure » Wed Jul 01, 2020 12:57 am

tybfc wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:01 pm
Bit slow their spades.
Surprised you did not spot the two errors above your Majesty :D

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Post by spadesclaret » Wed Jul 01, 2020 1:49 am

The Enclosure wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 12:57 am
Surprised you did not spot the two errors above your Majesty :D

TheLovelyEnclosure, it was tybfc. What do you expect?

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Re: FAO Spades

Post by tybfc » Wed Jul 01, 2020 5:52 am

You to have taken the bait.
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Re: FAO Spades

Post by mdd2 » Wed Jul 01, 2020 8:24 am

spadesclaret wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:36 pm
Hello huw.

'fewer' should be used when the subject you are talking about can be counted e.g. marbles - There are fewer marbles in my tin than in his.

'less' should be used when talking about one thing e.g. butter - There is less butter on my toast than on yours.

Always notice whether you are using 'are' and 'were' or 'is' and 'was'. Are/were = fewer. Is/was = less.
I think quite a few who post on here have lost their marbles.
At times it feels like I am one of them.
My hate is when people talk about something that differs to when I always feel it should be differ from, but maybe I am too much of a pedant.

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Re: FAO Spades

Post by mdd2 » Wed Jul 01, 2020 8:25 am

tybfc wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 5:52 am
You to have taken the bait.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: FAO Spades

Post by claretblue » Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:12 am

kritichris wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:41 pm
The less said the better. (or not in this case)
should be:

The fewer said the butter! :?

:D

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Post by Redbeard » Wed Jul 01, 2020 10:06 am

The same applies with regard to 'amount' and 'number.'

An amount of money, for example, but a number of coins.

And most definitely NOT an 'amount' of people! :x

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Re: FAO Spades

Post by spadesclaret » Wed Jul 01, 2020 10:16 am

mdd2 wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 8:24 am
I think quite a few who post on here have lost their marbles.
At times it feels like I am one of them.
My hate is when people talk about something that differs to when I always feel it should be differ from, but maybe I am too much of a pedant.
Learned at school and never forgotten :-

"Similar to says sister sue,
Different from says brother Tom"
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Post by spadesclaret » Wed Jul 01, 2020 10:19 am

Redbeard wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 10:06 am
The same applies with regard to 'amount' and 'number.'

An amount of money, for example, but a number of coins.

And most definitely NOT an 'amount' of people! :x
That one is probably my pet of all hates, Redbeard :oops:

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Re: FAO Spades

Post by Redbeard » Wed Jul 01, 2020 10:22 am

Mine too, Your Maj.

Does my head in! :( :lol:
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Re: FAO Spades

Post by The Enclosure » Wed Jul 01, 2020 10:49 am

tybfc wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 5:52 am
You to have taken the bait.
Or perhaps it should be - You also have taken the bait, Or perhaps you meant that - You two have taken the bait?

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Re: FAO Spades

Post by Bosscat » Wed Jul 01, 2020 10:50 am

Less is more 😉

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Re: FAO Spades

Post by mdd2 » Wed Jul 01, 2020 11:33 am

Moron minus the ox?

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Post by huw.Y.WattfromWare » Wed Jul 01, 2020 1:57 pm

Redbeard wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 10:22 am
Mine too, Your Maj.

Does my head in! :( :lol:
Hi, Red. Did your book ever make it to a publisher, Minnie.

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Post by Redbeard » Wed Jul 01, 2020 2:12 pm

All right there, mate? - Congrats on your new username. 8-)

I'm still writing the book! It's been eight years now, and I'm still only 70% done.

Thanks for your interest. :)

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Post by tybfc » Wed Jul 01, 2020 2:30 pm

Redbeard wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 2:12 pm
All right there, mate? - Congrats on your new username. 8-)

I'm still writing the book! It's been eight years now, and I'm still only 70% done.

Thanks for your interest. :)
Hope it's about Sean Dyche.

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Post by spadesclaret » Wed Jul 01, 2020 2:40 pm

Redbeard wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 2:12 pm
All right there, mate? - Congrats on your new username. 8-)

huw, what was your previous username?

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Post by Redbeard » Wed Jul 01, 2020 2:42 pm

No, Ty: it's about the fire brigade.

I'm sure Sean will write his own one day, though. 8-)

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Post by huw.Y.WattfromWare » Wed Jul 01, 2020 4:13 pm

spadesclaret wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 2:40 pm
huw, what was your previous username?
Keep this under your bonnet, your Maj.
MinnieClaret
PistonBroke
TrickyTrevor
Huw.....
Looks daft but somebody once accused me of posting to get likes so I quietly change every time I reach 1k.

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Post by huw.Y.WattfromWare » Wed Jul 01, 2020 4:15 pm

Redbeard wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 2:12 pm
All right there, mate? - Congrats on your new username. 8-)

I'm still writing the book! It's been eight years now, and I'm still only 70% done.

Thanks for your interest. :)
Still waiting as I’ll have one because I’ll know some of your colleagues.
You’ll make a fortune on the film rights.
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Post by claretblue » Wed Jul 01, 2020 4:25 pm

huw.Y.WattfromWare wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 4:13 pm
Looks daft but somebody once accused me of posting to get likes so I quietly change every time I reach 1k.
I should ‘like’ your post
...but you’re clearly just posting to get one!

:D
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Post by spadesclaret » Wed Jul 01, 2020 4:31 pm

huw.Y.WattfromWare wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 4:13 pm
Keep this under your bonnet, your Maj.
MinnieClaret
PistonBroke
TrickyTrevor
Huw.....
Looks daft but somebody once accused me of posting to get likes so I quietly change every time I reach 1k.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

I think I once said Tricky Trevor was my favourite poster :)
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Post by huw.Y.WattfromWare » Wed Jul 01, 2020 4:33 pm

I’d have no idea why but thank you.xx

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Post by spadesclaret » Wed Jul 01, 2020 4:37 pm

huw.Y.WattfromWare wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 4:33 pm
I’d have no idea why but thank you.xx
I think you said something nice about me but I can't remember what or why.

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Post by tybfc » Wed Jul 01, 2020 5:08 pm

spadesclaret wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 4:37 pm
I think you said something nice about me but I can't remember what or why.
He clearly has problems :lol:

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Post by huw.Y.WattfromWare » Wed Jul 01, 2020 5:42 pm

tybfc wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 5:08 pm
He clearly has problems :lol:
Sorry but it’s difficult not to kind to someone who educates me, posts beautiful pictures and avoids political threads.
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Post by tybfc » Wed Jul 01, 2020 6:17 pm

Oh I know and those are her bad days

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Post by spadesclaret » Wed Jul 01, 2020 6:45 pm

Ty, I am so pleased you are feeling better.

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