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- Mon Aug 25, 2025 5:26 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 10404
- Views: 1577557
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
I am far from sure that this premise is true - Betting sponsors can go on the sleeve and it is quite likely that the income from sleeve sponsorship is going to grow significantly, as will training kit sponsorship and perimeter advertising rates I suspect - there may still be a deficit (which will be...
- Sat Aug 23, 2025 10:28 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 10404
- Views: 1577557
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
It can be all well and good for people (yes I include myself) to criticise how are clubs are run - but could we run the boardroom of a Premier League club? - I know I could not/ should not
Anyhoo the Financial Times have a new game where you can test yourself
https://ig.ft.com/football-game/
Anyhoo the Financial Times have a new game where you can test yourself
https://ig.ft.com/football-game/
- Sat Aug 23, 2025 10:20 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 10404
- Views: 1577557
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
It is kind of nice to know that some American owners really do know how to boost commercial income. If we look at our own club, the best Velocity have achieved is just over £14m which scrapes in as the 3rd best in the clubs history (thanks to Covid repayments in 2019/2020 or it would have been 4th, ...
- Fri Aug 22, 2025 7:05 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Osmajic
- Replies: 317
- Views: 43502
Re: Osmajic
No matter how you look at it, it has no impact on Burnley whatsoever, but the timing of this could not be worse for PNE. It's dragged on to the point where the transfer window will be closed, so selling him will be difficult whilst this hangs over him, and if he does get a lengthy ban the window is...
- Fri Aug 22, 2025 5:56 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover
- Replies: 13600
- Views: 1626089
- Fri Aug 22, 2025 5:38 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 10404
- Views: 1577557
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
This has been a popular cross-topic of discussion over the last 18 months, but what are the numbers
from The Athletic
Premier League clubs, PSR and £1.9bn in academy sales since 2020: How much has each club made?
https://archive.ph/NaaFf
from The Athletic
Premier League clubs, PSR and £1.9bn in academy sales since 2020: How much has each club made?
https://archive.ph/NaaFf
- Thu Aug 21, 2025 3:39 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Access for home fans
- Replies: 661
- Views: 26704
Re: Access for home fans
so this has been an eventful read One can only presume the lateness of this is to minimise advanced protests - though the club may say it was due to late approval from the SAG I am intrigued that there has not been a proper trial of these new procedures I wonder about the potential for additional is...
- Wed Aug 20, 2025 2:45 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 10404
- Views: 1577557
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
There is a lot to like about Grimsby Town co-owner Jason Stockwood, though I do not always agree with him. In this months column for the Guardian he makes a lot of strong points about the path being taken by the ownership team at Birmingham City. The criticisms could be stronger, but there is much a...
- Tue Aug 19, 2025 2:08 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 10404
- Views: 1577557
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
This is going to be a huge feature of discussion in both Political and football circles - the fundamentals that public in vestment in sports facilities for professional sports (and indeed major international sports competitions) never produces the returns promised upfront are so well established tha...
- Fri Aug 15, 2025 11:52 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Support for Scott Parker.
- Replies: 27
- Views: 2165
Re: Support for Scott Parker.
Article in The Times today (behind a paywall). Good interview. Personally wish him all the best and hope we stick with him. Here you go - more often than not you will find that some kind sould has added an article of interest to the web archie Scott Parker illustrated: manager who puts his emotions...
- Fri Aug 15, 2025 7:11 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: How American believers rebuilt an English soccer underdog
- Replies: 2
- Views: 827
How American believers rebuilt an English soccer underdog
Some will really like this It is a picture that friends paint - though it has to be said that this is not designed for Burnley fans Just be aware that this is a sister publication to the oldest newspaper in Utah and is owned by the CoLDS How American believers rebuilt an English soccer underdog In n...
- Fri Aug 15, 2025 7:03 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Who owns Burnley?
- Replies: 51
- Views: 4313
Re: Who owns Burnley and all other PLClubs
,,,,,,,, The bigger questions are how on earth has the FA allowed such opaque ownership to develop and what can they do to protect fans interests. The simple answer is that they are allowing owners to use the law in terms of public disclosure, they could implement rules to say otherwise. You must r...
- Fri Aug 15, 2025 3:18 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: New venue for Sunderland v Burnley
- Replies: 27
- Views: 3877
Re: New venue for Sunderland v Burnley
posted on the MMT, but for those who do not look at that - there are many - it is also relevant to this thread This is essentially a legal argument, most pertinently it neglects to mention that the MLS had opposed league matches from other countries being played on US soil - that is why Relevent wen...
- Fri Aug 15, 2025 3:15 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 10404
- Views: 1577557
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
This is essentially a legal argument, most pertinently it neglects to mention that the MLS had opposed league matches from other countries being played on US soil - that is why Relevent went to court (with several cases) in the US so they could promote such games. It also neglects to mention that FI...
- Fri Aug 15, 2025 3:05 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Who owns Burnley?
- Replies: 51
- Views: 4313
Re: Who owns Burnley?
Alwaysac I guess it’s a multimillion dollar one now further complicated by how this all relates to “ALK Capital's sports subsidiary Velocity Sport Limited (VSL), has acquired Spanish top-flight club RCD Espanyol” With an English parent company but partly owned by American shareholders, VSL also own...
- Fri Aug 15, 2025 2:56 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Who owns Burnley?
- Replies: 51
- Views: 4313
Re: Who owns Burnley?
Hi CP, take a look at LinkedIn if you are interested in Stuart Hunt's connections with some Papa John restaurants. "Stuart Hunt is a Partner at ALK Capital and Director at Burnley Football Club. He is also President of PJ Restaurants, a large franchisee with Papa John's International and Managing M...
- Fri Aug 15, 2025 1:59 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Who owns Burnley?
- Replies: 51
- Views: 4313
Re: Who owns Burnley?
merging into the takeover thread is not a bad call
- Fri Aug 15, 2025 1:28 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Who owns Burnley?
- Replies: 51
- Views: 4313
Re: Who owns Burnley?
It is questionable if Pace owns the suggested shareholding - what we do know is that he certainly is the one with majority control All ownership data has long been shared on the takeover thread, where there is more depth and nuance to the information including the structure, how the different share ...
- Thu Aug 14, 2025 1:51 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 10404
- Views: 1577557
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
Martin Samuel picks holes (as is his want) in UEGA's treatment of multi-club groups in it's competitions - there are a number of seemingly reasonable points being made here - though the fundamental issue of UEFA being hugely reliant on big clubs and wanting more of them for it's revenues and effecti...
- Thu Aug 14, 2025 1:26 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 10404
- Views: 1577557
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
Depending on where you are in the world your view as to the merit/success of FIFA's Club World Cup - though no one is surprised to hear that Gianni Infantino believes it is a huge success. It is perhaps more important to consider what is to follow, some of which I have been trailing for several yea...
- Thu Aug 14, 2025 1:02 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Burnley v Everton Tribunal
- Replies: 12
- Views: 3140
Re: Burnley v Everton Tribunal
I'm not entirely sure whether your comment is tongue in cheek, Claret86, but it really wouldn't surprise me, and, of course, that would, in some way, be a bit like looping the loop. Given that the Premier League has spent well over £100m in legal fees in the last 3 years, it would be one way of rec...
- Thu Aug 14, 2025 12:23 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Burnley v Everton Tribunal
- Replies: 12
- Views: 3140
Re: Burnley v Everton Tribunal
It was supposed to be heard in July, but we’ve heard nothing. Possible reasons are that the hearing was deferred, is ongoing, it’s been heard awaiting outcome, or has settled before/during the hearing. Makes me wonder if we’ll never hear about this again. Wouldn’t really shock me if it’s all been w...
- Thu Aug 14, 2025 2:08 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 10404
- Views: 1577557
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
It is interesting that certain sections of the media are only just getting this though into their heads now - we know it has been a long running issue that has occupied this thread for several years now from The Telegraph The Premier League clubs waging war on season-ticket holders Revenue-hungry to...
- Thu Aug 14, 2025 1:46 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Burnley v Everton Tribunal
- Replies: 12
- Views: 3140
Re: Burnley v Everton Tribunal
The article is 5 months old and there is already a thread about this tonight
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=82574
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=82574
- Wed Aug 13, 2025 11:43 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Claim against Everton
- Replies: 1
- Views: 1073
Re: Claim against Everton
Not sure if this has been posted and I couldn't find the other post regarding this. https://stefanborson.substack.com/p/explained-burnley-v-everton-to-be Due to commence in the next few weeks and they seem to think we have a good chance and Everton not so good. That article was published 5 months a...
- Wed Aug 13, 2025 11:39 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 10404
- Views: 1577557
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
I am far from being fully convinced that this is completely true - though it is very much a broadcasters argument to want to be able to show everything and probably without paying much more unless they really do believe in the argument - that would be the true test of their faith in it given that th...
- Wed Aug 13, 2025 5:08 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 10404
- Views: 1577557
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
The Esk continues his very productive summer with The Analysis Series - the subject of this one is one of the probably one of the most divisive (and i believe misunderstood) issues in English Football The Analysis Series: Yo-yos and Parachutes; Premier League Relegation, Subsequent Performance, and ...
- Wed Aug 13, 2025 3:42 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 10404
- Views: 1577557
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
This will no doubt please some, and should benefit from having a shadow regulator in already in place - but there are still a number of things to sort out - including whether David Kogan will actually become the Chair of the Regulator for Football. You do wonder if this could be a bit of a hospital ...
- Wed Aug 13, 2025 2:09 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: New venue for Sunderland v Burnley
- Replies: 27
- Views: 3877
Re: New venue for Sunderland v Burnley
Seire A may be having a game in Austrailia if the Italian FA approves
AC Milan vs. Como in Australia? Italy's FA approves request
https://www.espn.co.uk/football/story/_ ... es-request
https://archive.ph/vxSc6
AC Milan vs. Como in Australia? Italy's FA approves request
https://www.espn.co.uk/football/story/_ ... es-request
https://archive.ph/vxSc6
- Wed Aug 13, 2025 2:01 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover
- Replies: 13600
- Views: 1626089
Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover
We have known for a long time that ALK are interested in the sports Tech/Media side of things, though now their website talks about Sports/Finance/Investment (https://alkcapital.com/), yesterday the club announced the formation of an innovation hub to help prove/incubate such start ups announcement ...
- Mon Aug 11, 2025 11:35 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: New venue for Sunderland v Burnley
- Replies: 27
- Views: 3877
Re: New venue for Sunderland v Burnley
Sunderland’s training ground used to be at Washington. More seriously, I’m hoping FIFA block this nonsense. You need to keep up to date CT FIFA backed out of a defense of it's old statures 16 months ago - when it was apparent that they and the MLS would would lose their series of court battles it w...
- Sun Aug 10, 2025 1:26 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 10404
- Views: 1577557
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
Some of you may have picked up on the BBC's report about Chelsea earning £250m in the past few seasons from the sale of Academy graduates - some £30m - £35m of which is attributed to Burnley this summer - though it appears the BBC are trying to make it 3 players and £55m Chelsea's £250m of academy s...
- Sun Aug 10, 2025 1:16 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 10404
- Views: 1577557
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
this is basically where I have been with the ALK/VSL/Velocity takeover of Burnley since the beginning - where is the growth - this coming season may (at last) see Burnley set a new turnover record - last set in 2018-19 ithe numbers will benefit from a record matchday receipts and probably historical...
- Sat Aug 09, 2025 9:34 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Burnt pies n beers prices
- Replies: 106
- Views: 5725
Re: Burnt pies n beers prices
I’d seriously scrap what ever we are paying the staff and move them to a commission rate based on sales. Pretty sure that would shift the speed and incompetence levels They are not the club's staff - The Club get's paid by Levy who do all the catering at the club https://burnleyfcevents.com/food-dr...
- Sat Aug 09, 2025 6:12 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 10404
- Views: 1577557
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
This story - rightly - is starting to gain traction in the media here the BBC amongst other things gives some of the backstory - whixh, as always, is important to understand Legal case a 'seismic confrontation' between players and Fifa https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cy5prnpy142o Oste...
- Fri Aug 08, 2025 2:08 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 10404
- Views: 1577557
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
Indeed, over £1.5 Billion spent on incomings since the £2.5 Billion takeover with annual amotisation at well over £200m Out of curiosity, am i right in thinking that those oft mentioned 8 year deals can work like this in football's 5 year max amortisation world - incoming player cost £50m 1st year A...
- Fri Aug 08, 2025 12:57 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Have you joined Burnley FC ISA yet?
- Replies: 156
- Views: 7777
Re: Have you joined Burnley FC ISA yet?
Thanks for the reply to the question where does the £5 go. I wonder whether an ISA member has had clarification from the club as to whether the ginnel from belvedere Rd,running alongside the cricket club to the Longside area is gonna be off limits to home fans this season and going forwards due to ...
- Fri Aug 08, 2025 12:38 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 10404
- Views: 1577557
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
An interesting piece today in the 'Inside Football' newsletter of The Independent's Miguel Delaney about the summer transfer window, PSR and in particular Chelsea - a club we are seemingly signing 3 players from this summer and no one would be surprised if there was a loan forthcoming too - it is so...
- Fri Aug 08, 2025 12:08 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 10404
- Views: 1577557
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
After reading about the phantom availability of tickets for Burnley games on other threads here I have to say that I am somewhat surprised by this valuation estimate of ticket fraud in football - am I the only one who thinks it is low from The Independent £2.5million lost to football ticket fraudste...
- Thu Aug 07, 2025 6:46 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 10404
- Views: 1577557
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
I hope you find this interesting and informative! https://theesk.org/2025/08/07/the-analysis-series-the-independent-football-regulator/ Another contribution from The Esk that is well worth your time and consideration - The weight of expectation upon the Football Governance Act - including from the ...
- Thu Aug 07, 2025 4:08 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 10404
- Views: 1577557
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
It is not just in Britain that owners ruin clubs and fans bemoan 'fit and proper' testing from league s in regards to owners. This from Philippe Auclair is a sorry tale about a club where the owner's previous record should have raised serious questions about allowing him to take-over from the Guardi...
- Thu Aug 07, 2025 1:49 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 10404
- Views: 1577557
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
The value of American sports franchises tend to astound us all, particularly as so few generate much in terms of profit - and we often wonder if it really is just scarcity that leads to these valuations - well the simple answer is no, what it can really be about is using tax breaks to effectively in...
- Thu Aug 07, 2025 1:37 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 10404
- Views: 1577557
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
I know this question has done the rounds numerous times, but would we have received any parachute money upon our immediate return to the Premier League? I am always astounded that Burnley fans (particularly on X) persist in spreading the nonsense that we get nothing if we bounce back up We received...
- Thu Aug 07, 2025 1:13 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 10404
- Views: 1577557
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
The FSA is essentially the body that provides connection, support, advice and occasionally co-ordination between the individual club ISA's including the new Burnley FC ISA. It has a significant lobbying capability and was called upon regularly to give input into the hearings around the Football Gove...
- Tue Aug 05, 2025 11:23 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 10404
- Views: 1577557
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
This weeks 'Business of Football' column for the Athletic was a bit of feast for this thread - whether it be the eternal optimism of a chance for another deal (mainly because he has fallen out with his current partners/dupes - take your own pick)) that personifies everything we know about John Text...
- Tue Aug 05, 2025 5:39 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Nac Breda
- Replies: 23
- Views: 3573
Re: Nac Breda
I actually think this is perfect walk out music - you only need the first 80 seconds and this can end on that very nicely
Mantronix - King of the Beats
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_BxXeqvzvE
- Tue Aug 05, 2025 5:28 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 10404
- Views: 1577557
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
The Times is putting a different take on this story - which if I remember rightly - is how some portrayed the original case that FIFA lost Radical legal case could let players terminate their own contracts for free Class action lawsuit that could have a seismic impact on the future of football is s...
- Tue Aug 05, 2025 1:18 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Natives restless in Newcastle
- Replies: 16
- Views: 3112
Re: Natives restless in Newcastle
That BBC article appears to lift from this I have just posted on the MMT don't be too quick to mock Newcastle fans, what is happening could easily happen to us (or worse!) [quote="Chester Perry" post_i!d=2592527 time=1754396135 user_id=2471] As ever with Simon Chadwick, this latest blog is thoughtfu...
- Tue Aug 05, 2025 1:15 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 10404
- Views: 1577557
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
As ever with Simon Chadwick, this latest blog is thoughtful, insightful and for some rather dispiriting. Could we see something similar play out for our club in it's multi-club guise that Velocity are pursuing. from the GeoSport blog on Substack Darwin Nunez, Newcastle United and hierarchical power ...
- Tue Aug 05, 2025 12:13 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: New Man Utd Stadium
- Replies: 21
- Views: 2827
Re: New Man Utd Stadium
Answers on a post card please, I have been saying for a while now that the country with the largest Public Investment fund bar none is the State of Kuwait - they have been very quite for a number of years having recruited track athletes in the noughties - with tensions rising in Iran and Syria it m...