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- Fri Jul 18, 2025 7:34 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Tour de France 2025.
- Replies: 110
- Views: 5087
Re: Tour de France 2025.
I've no doubt they will be pushing the boundaries, like many other sports, but I can't believe they could get away with doping in this day and age. This is an interesting and very detailed read from two days ago 12 years after Lance Armstrong, how clean is cycling really? It’s been years since the ...
- Fri Jul 18, 2025 7:15 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 10345
- Views: 1525476
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
I must say that I am little surprised that it has taken so long for this to be acknowledged within government from The Independent Football clubs and agents named as ‘emerging risk’ in money laundering report Football’s ‘hidden nature’ was raised as a specific issue in the annual report https://www....
- Fri Jul 18, 2025 7:05 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Tour de France 2025.
- Replies: 110
- Views: 5087
Re: Tour de France 2025.
apparently yesterday Pogacar was not at last years levels yesterday and Vinegarrd was worse than his 2022 ride up the dame climb at the end of the stage Power Analysis: Pogačar Just Tore Apart the Tour de France — And He’s Not Even on His 2024 Level Yet Pogačar set the fastest time up Hautacam since...
- Fri Jul 18, 2025 5:42 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Tour de France 2025.
- Replies: 110
- Views: 5087
Re: Tour de France 2025.
the fact that the UAE Team Emirates has the history it has makes it worse - you have to wonder what Christian Prudhomme makes of it given his dealings and well documented statements in regard to the teams early incarnation of Saunier Duval and the fact the team is still run by the same people
- Fri Jul 18, 2025 5:19 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Tour de France 2025.
- Replies: 110
- Views: 5087
- Fri Jul 18, 2025 4:59 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Tour de France 2025.
- Replies: 110
- Views: 5087
- Fri Jul 18, 2025 3:07 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Summer transfer window
- Replies: 5371
- Views: 637717
Re: Summer transfer window
I put this in the Espanyol thread but it works here - given the discussion today It is worth noting that approval for this deal by both RASTAR shareholders and the Spanish football authorities has still to happen and may not do so until after the transfer window closes according to the reports that ...
- Fri Jul 18, 2025 3:01 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Pace/ALK set to buy Espanyol?
- Replies: 671
- Views: 37201
Re: Pace/ALK set to buy Espanyol?
Forgot to reply, sorry CT. Good point re Cheltenham, I’d forgotten that. Although again, wouldn’t shock me if ALK shares were in his wife’s name or whatever. I’m not saying he is though, just it wouldn’t shock me because of the nature of the structure. I thought you’d said AP had been diluted from ...
- Fri Jul 18, 2025 2:50 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: BFC partnership with X
- Replies: 128
- Views: 3517
Re: BFC partnership with X
On Instagram it’s gone from 711k to 768k in a few weeks. I’ve never seen it go up as fast! Not sure what’s driven that as I can’t believe it’s the Kyle Walker signing! On your point about editorial control, my money is on Ad Hoc remaining involved, but irrespective and probably a similar level that...
- Fri Jul 18, 2025 2:26 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: BFC partnership with X
- Replies: 128
- Views: 3517
Re: BFC partnership with X
On Instagram it’s gone from 711k to 768k in a few weeks. I’ve never seen it go up as fast! Not sure what’s driven that as I can’t believe it’s the Kyle Walker signing! On your point about editorial control, my money is on Ad Hoc remaining involved and probably a similar level that they got. I belie...
- Fri Jul 18, 2025 2:09 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: BFC partnership with X
- Replies: 128
- Views: 3517
- Fri Jul 18, 2025 1:41 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: BFC partnership with X
- Replies: 128
- Views: 3517
Re: BFC partnership with X
so today @BurnleyOfficial has 823.5k followers - the follower growth has greatly slowed across social media for the club in the last 18 months - it will be interesting to see if this gives way to a new surge as far as the deal goes it feels like an experiment by X and will be interesting to see just...
- Fri Jul 18, 2025 1:27 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Pace/ALK set to buy Espanyol?
- Replies: 671
- Views: 37201
Re: Pace/ALK set to buy Espanyol?
It is worth noting that approval for this deal by both RASTAR shareholders and the Spanish football authorities has still to happen and may not do so until after the transfer window closes according to the reports that have been shared through this thread.
- Fri Jul 18, 2025 2:32 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 10345
- Views: 1525476
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
As if to prove my point about exemplary governance not being something that will impress FIFA - this article from The Guardian makes clear that while the PFA and FIFAPRO were not part of the discussions, expelled former member organisations and voted off leaders were. Fifa dispute with global playe...
- Fri Jul 18, 2025 1:09 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 10345
- Views: 1525476
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
So this is an intriguing twist on UEFA's dithering about it's multi-club rules and approach. The intriguing element is the ECA, who have had UEFA in thier pocket both pre and post Super League - it is why there are now so many games in European Club competitions. I suspect that this will do Crystal ...
- Thu Jul 17, 2025 7:15 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 10345
- Views: 1525476
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
Opinions of Multi-club operations will vary - we have long known that the owners of our club had aspirations in this direction - but it should have been easily prevented if the games governing bodies had moved to prevent it as it began years ago. As we know. that is not the way that governing bodies...
- Wed Jul 16, 2025 9:28 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Allardyces Bolton
- Replies: 23
- Views: 2215
Re: Allardyces Bolton
It’s only a one off at this stage. But the signing of Walker reminded me of some of the players Bolton signed under Allerdyce. Experienced, very talented players at the tail end of their career but still with an attitude and desire to play at the top. And forgetting Okocha, Hierro and Campo. They a...
- Wed Jul 16, 2025 3:26 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover
- Replies: 13595
- Views: 1584990
- Wed Jul 16, 2025 3:20 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Pace/ALK set to buy Espanyol?
- Replies: 671
- Views: 37201
Re: Pace/ALK set to buy Espanyol?
Suggestion here that the share buy back is €81m in two to five years https://en.ara.cat/sports/it-s-official-chen-yansheng-is-no-longer-espanyol-s-largest-shareholder_1_5442961.html?hl=en-GB a slightly smaller number than in the other article I have archived your link for future reference Chen sell...
- Wed Jul 16, 2025 3:15 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Pace/ALK set to buy Espanyol?
- Replies: 671
- Views: 37201
Re: Pace/ALK set to buy Espanyol?
I think it was pretty different. From what I remember Garlick and John B kept some of their shares in BFC Holdings post the initial takeover. ringfenced for a fixed price until October 2024 - of course they were disposed of on 15th November 2022 as part of a renegotiated deal in April 2022 (my sour...
- Wed Jul 16, 2025 3:11 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Pace/ALK set to buy Espanyol?
- Replies: 671
- Views: 37201
Re: Pace/ALK set to buy Espanyol?
Hi CP, in your last paragraph you mention that Velocity might be picking up the operating losses of Espanyol but where do you think the funding will come from to do that? Hard to say, but initially I would think from the cash that investors have put into Velocity. Of course Velocity could raise cas...
- Wed Jul 16, 2025 2:59 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Pace/ALK set to buy Espanyol?
- Replies: 671
- Views: 37201
Re: Pace/ALK set to buy Espanyol?
The numbers are startlingly similar! And this is exactly how I expected our deal was done (shares swapped for shares/units in ALKs structure - at least until buy out). It would not shock me if our previous owners are still invested somewhere down the line. The bit I’m unsure about is whether this h...
- Wed Jul 16, 2025 2:17 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Pace/ALK set to buy Espanyol?
- Replies: 671
- Views: 37201
Re: Pace/ALK set to buy Espanyol?
I think that’s impossible under the rules. not if funds are transferred via inter company loans in the way we have seen previously - it is key that that RCD Espanyol now fall under Velocity Sports Ltd (Jersey) the entity that wholly owns the shareholding in Velocity Capital (UK) Limited the entity ...
- Wed Jul 16, 2025 2:11 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Pace/ALK set to buy Espanyol?
- Replies: 671
- Views: 37201
Re: Pace/ALK set to buy Espanyol?
I think CP said one club funding another was illegal under regulations, and Textor got done for attempting the same with Botafogo and Lyon. Not sure on the specifics, although I’m not sure how it’s monitored or prevented in the scenarios you describe. Not me though Textor failed to convince the DNC...
- Wed Jul 16, 2025 2:07 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Pace/ALK set to buy Espanyol?
- Replies: 671
- Views: 37201
Re: Pace/ALK set to buy Espanyol?
The problem I have with this is the finances. Where is the 180m coming from to buy Espanyol? Are BFC financially losing out? Will our budgets be cut to support Espanyol financially? If we sold a player for £40m, does that £40m fully remain with BFC? The latest numbers beting quoted are interesting ...
- Wed Jul 16, 2025 12:33 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Website very slow today
- Replies: 28
- Views: 2148
Re: Website very slow today
It says Google (Bot) at the bottom in the who's online. There was another that said Bot but that has now gone. one or both the Google and Bing bots are almost always active - they operate in a way that does not affect the sites performance - the AI bots (depending on where they are from can (and ha...
- Tue Jul 15, 2025 9:04 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Website very slow today
- Replies: 28
- Views: 2148
- Tue Jul 15, 2025 8:22 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Website very slow today
- Replies: 28
- Views: 2148
Re: Website very slow today
feels like it is under attack - why else would there be over 1800 guests viewing on a day like today
- Tue Jul 15, 2025 6:39 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: 1 Billion kit deal for FC 115 of Manchester
- Replies: 6
- Views: 1462
Re: 1 Billion kit deal for FC 115 of Manchester
add in the shirt sponsor and just from the shirt they have a greater annual revenue than we probably will for the season from commercial, matchday, catering, retail and tv. The rest of their commercial deals will likely be more than twice our total revenues - so that is at least 3 times as much befo...
- Tue Jul 15, 2025 6:00 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 10345
- Views: 1525476
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
Interesting piece in the Guardian about the increasing demands fans of Premier League clubs residing in Asia have - getting the balance right between domestic and international fanbases is one of the greatest challenges clubs in the big leagues are going to face given the very different standpoints ...
- Tue Jul 15, 2025 5:45 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Pace/ALK set to buy Espanyol?
- Replies: 671
- Views: 37201
Re: Pace/ALK set to buy Espanyol?
Hi CP, surely, if the previous statement said Alan Pace owned 50% and Hunt and Smith owned 16.9% each , there were other owners of the remaining 16.8% . If the more recent statement says ALK Capital is wholly-owned by Alan Pace, Mike Smith and Stuart Hunt then we are also being informed that there ...
- Tue Jul 15, 2025 5:18 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Pace/ALK set to buy Espanyol?
- Replies: 671
- Views: 37201
Re: Pace/ALK set to buy Espanyol?
Not sure when this was updated but it is the first time since September 2021 Burnley FC Company Details https://www.burnleyfootballclub.com/legal-information/legal-information-company-details https://www.uptheclarets.com/messageboard/download/file.php?id=39646 just for the record Velocity Capital (...
- Tue Jul 15, 2025 3:34 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Pace/ALK set to buy Espanyol?
- Replies: 671
- Views: 37201
Re: Pace/ALK set to buy Espanyol?
That doesn’t show money going directly to Alan Pace though does it, as I have said I don’t want to make the thread move away from the actual subject, ALK investment group will benefit like majority of us ownership groups but nobody can factually say Alan Pace is personally benefiting Now you are ju...
- Tue Jul 15, 2025 3:24 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: 1 Billion kit deal for FC 115 of Manchester
- Replies: 6
- Views: 1462
Re: 1 Billion kit deal for FC 115 of Manchester
There are headline figures and then there is the real detail - which has not been forthcoming - it will be a big number in reality, just not necessarily that big
from The Athletic
Manchester City sign new Puma deal: Analysing the £100m per season kit partnership
https://archive.ph/yJ0y6
from The Athletic
Manchester City sign new Puma deal: Analysing the £100m per season kit partnership
https://archive.ph/yJ0y6
- Tue Jul 15, 2025 3:20 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Pace/ALK set to buy Espanyol?
- Replies: 671
- Views: 37201
Re: Pace/ALK set to buy Espanyol?
I don’t need to know the full ins and outs but if you want to show me anything that shows Alan Pace has personally benefited or received money since his owning us then feel free to show me Not sure when this was updated but it is the first time since September 2021 Burnley FC Company Details https:...
- Tue Jul 15, 2025 2:53 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Pace/ALK set to buy Espanyol?
- Replies: 671
- Views: 37201
Re: Pace/ALK set to buy Espanyol?
that is because none of the businesses he is involved with that provide him direct income produce accounts, a statement that also aligns to the ones that own the majority shareholding in Burnley Football Club123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑Tue Jul 15, 2025 2:38 pmBut there’s no proof that Alan pace is personally making money, it’s purely speculative
- Tue Jul 15, 2025 2:50 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Pace/ALK set to buy Espanyol?
- Replies: 671
- Views: 37201
- Tue Jul 15, 2025 1:27 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Pace/ALK set to buy Espanyol?
- Replies: 671
- Views: 37201
Re: Pace/ALK set to buy Espanyol?
If you read the Press Release on Espanyol's web site .... again an archived copy of the statement for future reference - pretty much convinced now that little money used upfront and it is in effect a merger that allows for a withdrawal in the future for RASTAR should they wish OFFICIAL STATEMENT ht...
- Tue Jul 15, 2025 1:08 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 10345
- Views: 1525476
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
this feels topical - and a lesson that very few seem to realise, including the current owners at our club I would argue, who went against almost everything stated here when they arrived as even Sean Dyche acknowledged in the recent 'From the Bee Hole End' podcast from the Gameplayer blog of Jordan W...
- Tue Jul 15, 2025 12:41 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Pace/ALK set to buy Espanyol?
- Replies: 671
- Views: 37201
Re: Pace/ALK set to buy Espanyol?
It’s certainly an interesting development. Investors into Velocity will be more attracted to the idea of a portfolio of clubs, than just Burnley. I do wonder if, when trying to find new investors, they’ve not found it very easy, and this move should / could make it more attractive. Of course, more ...
- Tue Jul 15, 2025 12:36 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Pace/ALK set to buy Espanyol?
- Replies: 671
- Views: 37201
Re: Pace/ALK set to buy Espanyol?
I still feel like the report of kortrijk is just reporters looking at old links, could be completely wrong and Vincent Tan might be looking to sell now they have been relegated People are forgetting that the deal was so close last summer that Velocity were actually involved in the signing of player...
- Tue Jul 15, 2025 12:29 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Pace/ALK set to buy Espanyol?
- Replies: 671
- Views: 37201
Re: Pace/ALK set to buy Espanyol?
Loan signings going to Espanol, we're expected to spend over 100m euros. https://www.sport.es/es/noticias/espanyol/nuevo-propietario-espanyol-estudia-comprar-119705192 I have archived a translated version of this for future reference Espanyol's new owner is now considering buying Belgian side KV Ko...
- Mon Jul 14, 2025 9:48 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 10345
- Views: 1525476
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
Something that I have posted about for years now - with the desire to expand club football at global and continental level - it is domestic football that will pay the price. So given the autocratic distanced nature of FIFA in particular, it is no surprise that European Leagues are taking legal actio...
- Mon Jul 14, 2025 7:27 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Pace/ALK set to buy Espanyol?
- Replies: 671
- Views: 37201
Re: Pace/ALK set to buy Espanyol?
Hi CP, I'm curious about your words. What exactly has been "public knowledge for a while?" The deal has only been confirmed today. Has there been any previous public announcement on the structure of acquisition of Espanyol? Media reports that the deal was: - not for the whole shareholding of the se...
- Mon Jul 14, 2025 7:01 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Tour de France 2025.
- Replies: 110
- Views: 5087
- Mon Jul 14, 2025 5:13 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: All roads in town chaos
- Replies: 9
- Views: 2697
Re: All roads in town chaos
to be honest the whole country could be brought to standstill by a hack into a lot of modern cars
- Mon Jul 14, 2025 3:46 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Pace/ALK set to buy Espanyol?
- Replies: 671
- Views: 37201
Re: Pace/ALK set to buy Espanyol?
They had to stay on at Burnley for 3 years or so until ALK could raise enough finance to buy their shares. I think this will be the same. ALK haven't got the finance to buy them out straight out, so have given these shares to them until payments can be made. Only guesswork mind. While true that the...
- Mon Jul 14, 2025 3:32 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Pace/ALK set to buy Espanyol?
- Replies: 671
- Views: 37201
Re: Pace/ALK set to buy Espanyol?
It does not appear to be in his nature - same could be said for Marinakis - who seemed very much involved while that blind trust had it's short existenceVegas Claret wrote: ↑Mon Jul 14, 2025 3:24 pmDon't worry about Europe, Pace will just pull a Marinakis and paper exercise a blind trust
- Mon Jul 14, 2025 3:11 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: ARTICLE: Choose your favourite away win in the Premier League
- Replies: 35
- Views: 1399
Re: ARTICLE: Choose your favourite away win in the Premier League
Loved the Chelsea one but a very tough choice over ending that Liverpool run - it was always good to see Klopp so upset
- Mon Jul 14, 2025 2:44 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Pace/ALK set to buy Espanyol?
- Replies: 671
- Views: 37201
Re: Pace/ALK set to buy Espanyol?
They had to stay on at Burnley for 3 years or so until ALK could raise enough finance to buy their shares. I think this will be the same. ALK haven't got the finance to buy them out straight out, so have given these shares to them until payments can be made. Only guesswork mind. It has been public ...