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by houseboy
Mon Aug 11, 2025 10:25 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Differing Club Profiles
Replies: 12
Views: 1200

Re: Differing Club Profiles

Frankfurt is very similar to Burnley in that all you see anywhere is Black, red, and white and the Adler badge. A proper one club city I’ve never been but I was on holiday in Majorca a few weeks ago (in June) and there were numerous Germans at our hotel. Quite a few were sporting Frankfurt shirts. ...
by houseboy
Mon Aug 11, 2025 8:31 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Differing Club Profiles
Replies: 12
Views: 1200

Differing Club Profiles

I was thinking recently about why some clubs seem to have higher local profiles than others. I’m not talking about the media, I mean local ‘visibility’ A few years ago (not sure when but post Covid) I made my first and only visit to Leicester. It’s not a bad place and parts of it are quite okay, but...
by houseboy
Mon Aug 04, 2025 10:32 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Can anyone see more than 5 involved in relegation battle ?
Replies: 44
Views: 2824

Re: Can anyone see more than 5 involved in relegation battle ?

Going off the last couple of seasons… probably no more than 3 unless there are points deductions I’d say maybe because it’s happened for the last two seasons it’s unlikely to happen again. If it does serious questions must be asked about the closed shop situation. I’m not convinced it’s a pattern t...
by houseboy
Sun Jul 13, 2025 10:41 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Dave Cousins
Replies: 13
Views: 1510

Re: Dave Cousins

boatshed bill wrote:
Sun Jul 13, 2025 10:35 pm
Lay down, I'll lay me down...
Brilliant song.
I guess it's folk-rock.
Great single from Bursting at the seams, an album where their move from folk rock to prog was taking shape.
by houseboy
Sun Jul 13, 2025 10:40 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Dave Cousins
Replies: 13
Views: 1510

Re: Dave Cousins

Billyblah wrote:
Sun Jul 13, 2025 10:28 pm
"Part of the Union " is most likely the hit song that people may know, but most of their music was much more involved than that.
Unfortunately yes. But anyone who heard Grave New World or Hero and Heroine would hear a world of difference.
by houseboy
Sun Jul 13, 2025 10:20 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Dave Cousins
Replies: 13
Views: 1510

Dave Cousins

For those who may have ever been fans of The Strawbs the sad news is that Dave Cousins died today. 85. Had lots of pleasure listening to The Strawbs over the years. Started as a folk band and ended up a full blown prog band.

Sad day.
by houseboy
Wed Jul 02, 2025 10:55 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: French air traffic control strike!
Replies: 19
Views: 3057

Re: French air traffic control strike!

A few years ago we were supposed to be heading to Lyon (to join a Rhone river cruise) by train (Eurostar to Paris then TGV to Lyon) french Railstrikes hit our arranged travel plans and we finished being flown out to from Heathrow to Geneva and returned Nice to Heathrow. The French love a strike 🙄 T...
by houseboy
Mon May 26, 2025 7:52 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Play off final Saturday 24th
Replies: 446
Views: 18175

Re: Play off final Saturday 24th

I don't think I'm the only 1 that disagrees with you. Sometimes things are old hat & this for me is definitely 1 so I'll let you flog this dead horse with others. Have a good day bud. Excuse me, is this the right room for an argument? Only joking, we all love a good debate but in the end we are all...
by houseboy
Mon May 26, 2025 7:43 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Play off final Saturday 24th
Replies: 446
Views: 18175

Re: Play off final Saturday 24th

But in context, my post has nothing to do with whether they scored them or how the final table finished. Someone earlier in the thread suggested that Sunderland were out of the hunt for the top two back in November, and both Quoonbeatz and myself were using the league table and points in mid / late...
by houseboy
Sun May 25, 2025 6:02 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Play off final Saturday 24th
Replies: 446
Views: 18175

Re: Play off final Saturday 24th

It’s not academic if you’re quoting something where someone said they’ve been playing friendlies since November. Probably explains why they finished so far behind. I’m afraid it is really. If I was wrong then I was wrong (although I did read such a piece) but maybe that was wrong as well. Either wa...
by houseboy
Sun May 25, 2025 5:50 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Play off final Saturday 24th
Replies: 446
Views: 18175

Re: Play off final Saturday 24th

The old saying "them are the rules". Spuds qualifying for the Champions League :shock: Ha ha. Don’t get me started on the ridiculously named Champions League. A competition where about 75% of those in it are not champions of anything, and some never have been. I await eagerly the poster who goes to...
by houseboy
Sun May 25, 2025 5:45 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Play off final Saturday 24th
Replies: 446
Views: 18175

Re: Play off final Saturday 24th

Sunderland earned the right,just like we did in 09 in the Playoffs,to say Sunderland should not be a Premier league team next season is plain stupid. In your opinion. By the way the word stupid is a word I never use because it insinuates that the person you are speaking to is somehow lacking in int...
by houseboy
Sun May 25, 2025 5:36 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Play off final Saturday 24th
Replies: 446
Views: 18175

Re: Play off final Saturday 24th

It is what it is. It's been like that for years without any problems I'm not sure what you are piping up for & making a big deal out of things. It will always benefit some clubs & not others. It's as broad as it's long. I’m ’piping up’ because this is a discussion forum and as long as I’m not abusi...
by houseboy
Sun May 25, 2025 5:28 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Play off final Saturday 24th
Replies: 446
Views: 18175

Re: Play off final Saturday 24th

They were 3 points off automatic promotion at the end of January so it’s a bit weird they gave up on it in November. I was just quoting what I read in the media. Either way they finished 14 points shy of third and 24 short of auto so it’s all a bit academic where they were in November or January. I...
by houseboy
Sun May 25, 2025 5:22 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Play off final Saturday 24th
Replies: 446
Views: 18175

Re: Play off final Saturday 24th

Absolutely, but go back just a fortnight to January 17th. Had they scored either of those penalties then they would have been joint top with 53 points, leapfrogging us who would have been on 52. It would have been: Leeds 53 Sun. 53 Burnley 52 Blades 52. Just shows how brilliant both us and Leeds we...
by houseboy
Sun May 25, 2025 5:19 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Play off final Saturday 24th
Replies: 446
Views: 18175

Re: Play off final Saturday 24th

I do yes. because that's what all the teams have agreed to before the ref blows the whistle on the very first opening game. But have they agreed to it? They don’t have any choice apart from to resign from the league. That’s not going to happen so they have no choice, but being forced into a situati...
by houseboy
Sat May 24, 2025 11:58 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Play off final Saturday 24th
Replies: 446
Views: 18175

Re: Play off final Saturday 24th

Incidentally for those who think the play offs make it more exciting over the season please think on this: Sunderland have had virtually nothing to play for since about November. I even read a comment from a Sunderland fan a week or two ago who said since November it’s just been like playing friendl...
by houseboy
Sat May 24, 2025 11:48 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Play off final Saturday 24th
Replies: 446
Views: 18175

Re: Play off final Saturday 24th

In the National League York City finished 23 points ahead of Oldham and 28 points ahead of Southend, yet it is Oldham and Southend that will be playing at Wembley for the chance to get into League Two. It is about time that the top 2 in the National League gained automatic promotion as there is lit...
by houseboy
Sat May 24, 2025 11:46 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Play off final Saturday 24th
Replies: 446
Views: 18175

Re: Play off final Saturday 24th

martin_p wrote:
Sat May 24, 2025 11:30 pm
They finished in a position the qualify for the play-offs, same as Sheffield United.
Sorry bud. We have to agree to differ. Sunderland should not be a PL side next season in my view.
by houseboy
Sat May 24, 2025 11:43 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Play off final Saturday 24th
Replies: 446
Views: 18175

Re: Play off final Saturday 24th

They do deserve to be there on the basis that they have just won the playoffs. That’s the way things are decided you might not like it or agree with it but all the teams that compete do so with the knowledge & understanding that failure to go up automatically might mean going up by the playoff rout...
by houseboy
Sat May 24, 2025 11:18 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Play off final Saturday 24th
Replies: 446
Views: 18175

Re: Play off final Saturday 24th

martin_p wrote:
Sat May 24, 2025 10:40 pm
Sunderland had to play 48 games to get to the play-off final, same as Sheffield United.
But they finished 4th 14 points behind.
by houseboy
Sat May 24, 2025 10:40 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Play off final Saturday 24th
Replies: 446
Views: 18175

Re: Play off final Saturday 24th

You’re forgetting that football is a business where cash is King, this is a money spinner. Anyway, playoffs are good entertainment. I suppose you are right. People have forgotten football is supposed to be a sport. It lost its way years ago and now it seems money is all that matters. I can’t get ex...
by houseboy
Sat May 24, 2025 10:35 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Play off final Saturday 24th
Replies: 446
Views: 18175

Re: Play off final Saturday 24th

martin_p wrote:
Sat May 24, 2025 5:56 pm
It wasn’t, half the teams had nothing to play for in the last quarter of the season.
Appreciate your view but disagree. Teams should be rewarded for the season not one game.
by houseboy
Sat May 24, 2025 5:54 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Play off final Saturday 24th
Replies: 446
Views: 18175

Re: Play off final Saturday 24th

Nah, they are the best thing since sliced bread. Keep the season alive for half the division and bring so much drama. Everyone knows the rules when they start. It’s one thing knowing the rules but it’s another thing agreeing with them. It’s not as though the clubs have any choice. Football was just...
by houseboy
Sat May 24, 2025 5:40 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Play off final Saturday 24th
Replies: 446
Views: 18175

Re: Play off final Saturday 24th

The play offs really are a joke. They should be scrapped at all levels. Top three promoted - simple. A team has just won promotion against a team that finished 14 points above them after a one off game. Utter shambles.
by houseboy
Sun Apr 27, 2025 8:56 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Have Blackburn had the worst ever week in the championship?
Replies: 165
Views: 15577

Re: Have Blackburn had the worst ever week in the championship?

Looking back on this, I think you're right, mate. That was a rubbish apology. It wasn't meant as a personal attack on your son in law, but that's how it comes across. Sincere apologies for going too far in those posts. I know there are Rovers fans who dislike those owners but still want their club ...
by houseboy
Wed Apr 16, 2025 10:59 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Have Blackburn had the worst ever week in the championship?
Replies: 165
Views: 15577

Re: Have Blackburn had the worst ever week in the championship?

I'm sorry if I offended you pal, but I stand by what I said. The Rovers fans who defend Venky's fall into two camps: 1) Those, who due to age, know nothing except the Venky era at Blackburn. To them, the last 15 years aren't as bad as what others say they are. They look on at those complaining as b...
by houseboy
Wed Apr 16, 2025 10:39 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Five Points Clear
Replies: 81
Views: 10709

Re: Five Points Clear

If we beat Watford and SU lose at Cardiff, then we will be 8pts ahead with 3 to play. Of the then beat us. We will be 5 pts ahead. Meaning we need at least a point from the last 2 games to guarantee promotion. We play QPR sway, then Millwall at home. Normally you'd say a point from those 2 is a giv...
by houseboy
Mon Apr 14, 2025 9:10 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Our Lack of Goals is Killing Us Big Time
Replies: 202
Views: 12580

Re: Our Lack of Goals is Killing Us Big Time

You weren't right. None of you let's just "score some more goals people" have been right all season. And the more you all try and frantically peddle your parkers changed it up routine the more you look silly. The people peddling the patience in Parker and telling you the season dosnt finish till ma...
by houseboy
Mon Apr 14, 2025 2:11 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Win next two games and promoted
Replies: 66
Views: 8165

Re: Win next two games and promoted

In all this nobody seems to be thinking that a Sheff Utd loss against Cardiff, a possibility given they are fighting for survival, and a win at Watford basically means it’s all over (pretty much) before we even get to Easter Monday. 8 points clear with nine to play for is an immense ask.
by houseboy
Mon Apr 14, 2025 2:03 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Five Points Clear
Replies: 81
Views: 10709

Re: Five Points Clear

I know that. But sealing promotion is pretty much dependent on the SU game. So worth working the permutations around that If we beat Watford and they lose to Cardiff the Easter Monday game becomes almost irrelevant regarding promotion. 8 points clear with nine to play for would be a fairly safe bet...
by houseboy
Sat Apr 05, 2025 10:39 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Have Blackburn had the worst ever week in the championship?
Replies: 165
Views: 15577

Re: Have Blackburn had the worst ever week in the championship?

They badly want promotion? Ha. I've heard it all. I can almost guarantee your son in law was Kean out, Venky's out in the early days, but later gave up all hope of change at the club and decided to just be positive instead and bury his head in the sand. If that is a wrong assessment, I apologise. T...
by houseboy
Mon Mar 17, 2025 11:06 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Have Blackburn had the worst ever week in the championship?
Replies: 165
Views: 15577

Re: Have Blackburn had the worst ever week in the championship?

Is it realistic to suspect any club would sabotage their own promotion?.. I know plenty of the bestial 4,000 keep bleating this idea but under what scenario could this possibly be the case? Free money plus the chance to recoup most of their £230m before getting the whole sh1tshow off their backs?. ...
by houseboy
Fri Mar 14, 2025 6:02 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Favourite Drives
Replies: 67
Views: 3429

Favourite Drives

Just at our caravan in the lakes and had a trip over to Glenridding today. The journey always includes a drive over Kirkstone Pass. I absolutely love that journey, if there is a more beautiful road in the country I have yet to travel it.
Just wondered what other people’s favourite roads/journeys are.
by houseboy
Fri Mar 14, 2025 5:44 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Orient Game - Talk at Burnley Library
Replies: 23
Views: 2565

Re: Orient Game - Talk at Burnley Library

15,696 according to- https://www.uptheclarets.com/programmes-season-198687 That’s strange I always thought the official figure about 17-odd. Although it always looked a lot more because the Turf held about 30-odd at that time with the Longside and Beehole still terracing. A lot at the time thought ...
by houseboy
Thu Mar 06, 2025 10:18 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: 22 games unbeaten in the league
Replies: 88
Views: 7449

Re: 22 games unbeaten in the league

Part of the reason for that is when the 23 run occurred, assuming we make it and beat or draw with Luton. The 22 game run under VK ended at home and against QPR who were in the bottom 4 at the time (would have been 20th had Reading not been deducted 6 points). Similar to Luton this weekend-just had...
by houseboy
Wed Mar 05, 2025 9:54 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Cover Versions
Replies: 112
Views: 6535

Re: Cover Versions

Claretmisterg wrote:
Tue Mar 04, 2025 10:55 pm
https://youtu.be/t40INnb6DnY?feature=shared

I have always liked this version of House of the Rising Sun by Frijid Pink.
Terrific version. Not heard it in over forty years or more.
by houseboy
Wed Mar 05, 2025 9:53 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Cover Versions
Replies: 112
Views: 6535

Re: Cover Versions

I quite like Simon and Garfunkel’s cover version of the massive Disturbed single “Sound of Silence” Not as powerful but a decent cover. On a more serious note 😀 I never imagined a cover of, in my opinion, possibly the best song ever written would come close, but Disturbed did a magnificent version ...
by houseboy
Wed Mar 05, 2025 9:23 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Cardiff City v Burnley match thread
Replies: 559
Views: 18550

Re: Cardiff City v Burnley match thread

Our squad is valued at approximately 5 times the value of Cardiffs and our wage bill is considerably more than there’s. Can we stop with this small town ******** I said small town, not small time. Burnley is a very small town and we are lucky to have had a history at the club of moderate, and at ti...
by houseboy
Tue Mar 04, 2025 10:48 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Cardiff City v Burnley match thread
Replies: 559
Views: 18550

Re: Cardiff City v Burnley match thread

It’s sometimes quite painful reading this board. We aren’t City or Liverpool, we are Burnley, a very small town club who have mostly punched above their weight for over 130 years. We won tonight against a team who are actually not that bad. We were playing away. We were playing against the ‘twelfth ...
by houseboy
Tue Feb 25, 2025 11:28 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Summer transfer window.
Replies: 35
Views: 5046

Re: Summer transfer window.

Given our unbelievable defensive record, albeit in the Championship, does anyone seriously think that we will keep hold of CJ, Trafford or especially Esteve even if we are promoted? The money clubs will offer ridiculous amounts for them that the club couldn’t refuse, even if they don’t actually need...
by houseboy
Tue Feb 25, 2025 8:59 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Priorities
Replies: 68
Views: 3663

Re: Priorities

Pretty much my feelings these days, winning promotion is like a wild night out for me, you tend to regret it when you sober up the next day :lol: Brilliant analogy. I was thinking last night about if we get promotion, auto or otherwise, all the fans will be singing and celebrating but other fans wi...
by houseboy
Mon Feb 24, 2025 11:00 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Priorities
Replies: 68
Views: 3663

Re: Priorities

League over cup every day of the week. Not sure. A cup is a trophy. And the result of promotion is the real possibility of a season long agony. The only thing we get from promotion is twelve months pride of being in the top flight and a lot of money. In the end isn’t being a football club about try...
by houseboy
Mon Feb 24, 2025 10:54 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Manchester United
Replies: 71
Views: 8333

Re: Manchester United

If it’s entitled fans you’re after, you’re looking at the wrong Manc club. Disagree with this really. It’s true that since the money came in from oil they have acquired a few hangers on but historically they have always been a pretty down to earth bunch. Always thought City fans had a great sense o...
by houseboy
Mon Feb 24, 2025 2:58 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: So, a Leeds win or a Draw on Monday?
Replies: 98
Views: 7223

Re: So, a Leeds win or a Draw on Monday?

It’s a win/win tonight for us. Leeds win and Sheff Utd are in relatively easy reach. Draw means we’ve gained on both from the weekend. Sheff Utd win (which seems least popular on here) and Leeds are pegged back and Sheff Utd are no further away. Oddly I think a SU win is good because if we get a Lee...
by houseboy
Sun Feb 23, 2025 8:50 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Rovers fans in turmoil
Replies: 85
Views: 14083

Re: Rovers fans in turmoil

All good Ian, life in the slow lane and all that. How is it with you Bud? And yes, probably the best chance rovers have had in years of making the play offs and someone would forego that just to deny us. Laughable! :lol: :lol: I’m good mate. I’m one grandchild short of a football team. Still workin...
by houseboy
Sun Feb 23, 2025 10:51 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Rovers fans in turmoil
Replies: 85
Views: 14083

Re: Rovers fans in turmoil

I've seen the rovers fan on bookface today and he said he would gladly sacrifice a a playoff spot if it meant us missing out on automatic promotion. Their level of ambition these days, how sad. Hating another club so much that you wish misfortune on your own to cause them hurt is indeed a high poin...
by houseboy
Tue Feb 11, 2025 10:00 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Derby sack Warne
Replies: 150
Views: 12783

Re: Derby sack Warne

Excellent post. It sums it up very well for me. Every club has a few entitled fans including us but there are some clubs that seem to have a larger percentage than most. Bastards and Leeds are the 2 worst clubs that I can think of who believe that they have a divine right to be better than they are...
by houseboy
Mon Feb 10, 2025 11:43 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Derby sack Warne
Replies: 150
Views: 12783

Re: Derby sack Warne

Apparently he sees Derby as the better long term prospect. Now don’t we remember a certain Mr Coyle saying pretty much the same thing as he trotted off to Bolton? Not sure he is making the right move (if he does) but it is funny though. On the other hand I really don’t want to see Dyche go there…I t...
by houseboy
Sun Feb 09, 2025 9:18 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Our strength in depth will win the Championship
Replies: 66
Views: 5525

Re: Our strength in depth will win the Championship

By the way Boss, don’t know if you ever read the comments on the BBC reports on the app but there is a character on there called Jack who purports to be a disaffected Claret who always ends his posts with ‘Pace out’. Another one has cropped up too called Sam. I strongly suspected that it may be ‘Kea...