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Re: England v USA

Post by Dyched » Tue Jul 02, 2019 9:24 pm

**** Trump

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Re: England v USA

Post by ElectroClaret » Tue Jul 02, 2019 9:25 pm

No goal.

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Re: England v USA

Post by thelaughingclaret » Tue Jul 02, 2019 9:26 pm

So FIFA class that as a clear and obvious error by the assistant? What actually does clear and obvious mean?

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Re: England v USA

Post by Rick_Muller » Tue Jul 02, 2019 9:27 pm

Them yanks are dirty aren’t they...!

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Re: England v USA

Post by Buxtonclaret » Tue Jul 02, 2019 9:28 pm

So bloody close that.

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Re: England v USA

Post by IanMcL » Tue Jul 02, 2019 9:28 pm

VAR is a joke. Bits of Cameroon foot the other match, now the end of a tit or something! That's not football.

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Re: England v USA

Post by Bosscat » Tue Jul 02, 2019 9:28 pm

Bugger :(

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Re: England v USA

Post by IanMcL » Tue Jul 02, 2019 9:29 pm

Used to be a slide rule pass. Now it is a slide rule for offside.

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Re: England v USA

Post by Imploding Turtle » Tue Jul 02, 2019 9:30 pm

thelaughingclaret wrote:So FIFA class that as a clear and obvious error? What actually does clear and obvious mean?
Offside isn't a subjective ruling so i'm not sure the "clear and obvious" principle applies, and if it does it shouldn't. We want the assistants to allow marginal decisions to proceed to reduce the risk of offside calls being made incorrectly. So we can't really complain when a marginal decision is left to proceed and then turn out that it was offside.

This is one aspect of VAR that surely we cal all agree on? The end of assistants having to guess regarding marginal offsides.

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Re: England v USA

Post by Chester Perry » Tue Jul 02, 2019 9:30 pm

IanMcL wrote:VAR is a joke. Bits of Cameroon foot the other match, now the end of a tit or something! That's not football.
Same distance offside that Wood was onside at Watford - did you want VAR then

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Re: England v USA

Post by FactualFrank » Tue Jul 02, 2019 9:31 pm

Get Duggan on.

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Re: England v USA

Post by tarkys_ears » Tue Jul 02, 2019 9:32 pm

Chester Perry wrote:Same distance offside that Wood was onside at Watford - did you want VAR then
Yeah. Why wouldn't we?

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Re: England v USA

Post by Devils_Advocate » Tue Jul 02, 2019 9:33 pm

Chester Perry wrote:Same distance offside that Wood was onside at Watford - did you want VAR then
Perfect illustration of why it will be a nightmare. Fans will have a completely different perception and opinion of VAR decisions depending on if it goes for or against them

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Re: England v USA

Post by Hibsclaret » Tue Jul 02, 2019 9:34 pm

Get the point but Wood was way more onside than that was offside....he was about a foot onside

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Re: England v USA

Post by Dyched » Tue Jul 02, 2019 9:35 pm

Penalty you tart

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Re: England v USA

Post by Darnhill Claret » Tue Jul 02, 2019 9:35 pm

All goals will be reviewed

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Re: England v USA

Post by ElectroClaret » Tue Jul 02, 2019 9:35 pm

Bad miss, or peno?

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Re: England v USA

Post by Buxtonclaret » Tue Jul 02, 2019 9:36 pm

Foul!!!

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Re: England v USA

Post by Imploding Turtle » Tue Jul 02, 2019 9:36 pm

That's got to be a foul.

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Re: England v USA

Post by thelaughingclaret » Tue Jul 02, 2019 9:36 pm

Bad miss. She’s been so clinical, should’ve buried it.

Edit: penalty. VAR takes far too long and again I think that’s the wrong decision. Very, very soft but I don’t think the other goal should’ve been ruled out for offside. Justice perhaps? No. Missed penalty. Why didn’t white take it? Why have a centre half take a pen?
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Re: England v USA

Post by FactualFrank » Tue Jul 02, 2019 9:37 pm

Doubt it.

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Re: England v USA

Post by Claretmatt4 » Tue Jul 02, 2019 9:37 pm

Have to give that. Innocuous and unintentional Co tact but it's with her shooting foot, seven yards fro. Goal.

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Re: England v USA

Post by JohnDearyMe » Tue Jul 02, 2019 9:37 pm

Tough call for the officials this one

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Re: England v USA

Post by Inchy » Tue Jul 02, 2019 9:37 pm

That should be a pen. Slight touch but it effected her swing

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Re: England v USA

Post by aggi » Tue Jul 02, 2019 9:38 pm

Chester Perry wrote:Same distance offside that Wood was onside at Watford - did you want VAR then
Nope.

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Re: England v USA

Post by Dyched » Tue Jul 02, 2019 9:38 pm

C’mon ref it'd be less obvious if she wacked her with a baseball

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Re: England v USA

Post by Winstonswhite » Tue Jul 02, 2019 9:38 pm

That’s not a foul surely.

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Re: England v USA

Post by Imploding Turtle » Tue Jul 02, 2019 9:38 pm

That's definitely a foul. It's minimal contact but it's enough to prevent the shot in that situation.

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Re: England v USA

Post by FactualFrank » Tue Jul 02, 2019 9:38 pm

I did not expect that.

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Re: England v USA

Post by Imploding Turtle » Tue Jul 02, 2019 9:39 pm

Penalty!

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Re: England v USA

Post by Wile E Coyote » Tue Jul 02, 2019 9:39 pm

deffo a pen

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Re: England v USA

Post by Wile E Coyote » Tue Jul 02, 2019 9:39 pm

if not var is a joke

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Re: England v USA

Post by tarkys_ears » Tue Jul 02, 2019 9:39 pm

*nm*
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Re: England v USA

Post by FactualFrank » Tue Jul 02, 2019 9:39 pm

That was awful.

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Re: England v USA

Post by Claretmatt4 » Tue Jul 02, 2019 9:39 pm

Cannot see why that isn't a pen. Should have been a red too. Goalscoring opportunity

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Re: England v USA

Post by Inchy » Tue Jul 02, 2019 9:39 pm

Dreadful pen

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Re: England v USA

Post by wilks_bfc » Tue Jul 02, 2019 9:40 pm

Right decision but how long did that take

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Re: England v USA

Post by Dyched » Tue Jul 02, 2019 9:40 pm

What is that?

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Re: England v USA

Post by Darnhill Claret » Tue Jul 02, 2019 9:40 pm

Not sure how we got that. Missed anyway

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Re: England v USA

Post by Winstonswhite » Tue Jul 02, 2019 9:40 pm

I thought it was more our player stepping across and kicking back tbh. But hey ho irrelevant as missed anyway.

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Re: England v USA

Post by Buxtonclaret » Tue Jul 02, 2019 9:40 pm

Think some of the 'Handball' VAR decisions have been far more dubious than that one.

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Re: England v USA

Post by bobinho » Tue Jul 02, 2019 9:40 pm

Awful pen

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Re: England v USA

Post by jrgbfc » Tue Jul 02, 2019 9:40 pm

Justice done, never a penalty in all this world.

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Re: England v USA

Post by IanMcL » Tue Jul 02, 2019 9:40 pm

That takes the VAR biscuit!
Speechless.

Two VARs don't make a goal....especially if it's an England penalty!

Weakest penalty takers in the world!

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Re: England v USA

Post by ElectroClaret » Tue Jul 02, 2019 9:40 pm

Damn.

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Re: England v USA

Post by Elbarad » Tue Jul 02, 2019 9:41 pm

Football gods rule VAR was wrong.

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Re: England v USA

Post by Real ale 2 » Tue Jul 02, 2019 9:41 pm

Never a pen .that is harsh though crqp penalty deserve to go out

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Re: England v USA

Post by whentheballmoves » Tue Jul 02, 2019 9:41 pm

That's a terrible penalty. They've missed three pout of four, FFS.

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Re: England v USA

Post by JohnDearyMe » Tue Jul 02, 2019 9:41 pm

Knew as soon as this idiot commentator was talking her up that she'd miss

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Re: England v USA

Post by IanMcL » Tue Jul 02, 2019 9:42 pm

Not so Bright!

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