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by bobinho » Sun Aug 23, 2020 8:26 am
Duffer_ wrote: ↑Sat Aug 22, 2020 7:49 pm
I think a lot of people are being a bit mean here. I can well believe that "many" people who sit near you have said they are not renewing. Whether they take STs elsewhere in the stadium is another matter.
I see what you did there...

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by MrTopTier » Sun Aug 23, 2020 8:54 am
Slight link but Shane Duffy, experienced Premier league player available for 5m or a loan, surely fits the budget and age profile of a Dyche type player. Personality wise there are issues but I think there is value, especially as a back up.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footb ... -deal.html
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by Grumps » Sun Aug 23, 2020 8:56 am
burnmark wrote: ↑Sat Aug 22, 2020 11:12 pm
Nixon has something to tweet about us tomorrow morning.
We won't pay price for Worrall...... Gibson won't go to forest because he wants to go to boro
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by Jakubs Tash » Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:03 am
Grumps wrote: ↑Sun Aug 23, 2020 8:56 am
We won't pay price for Worrall...... Gibson won't go to forest because he wants to go to boro
Worrall isn't worth going too high for - Gibson is also a better defender too. Forest should be snapping our hand off! Move on....
Can see Gibson ending up at Leeds. The nearest club to his home who can actually afford him (and are looking for a centre half).
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by jedi_master » Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:06 am
Gibson sounds like a massive man child.
He’s putting his desire to return to that absolute shithole of a town over his career. I could ALMOST understand it if Boro were a club with any prospects, but they’re going nowhere.
The worst signing in the clubs history keeps on giving.
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by Colburn_Claret » Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:12 am
Gibson was a good signing, sadly it didn't work out.
He could have done himself and the club a favour by keeping his teddy in the pram, but he's frustrated because he wants to play football.
He needs to go for both our sakes, but to describe him as the worst signing in the clubs history, is just fans throwing their teddies out of the pram.
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by Boss Hogg » Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:12 am
Gibson seems to be very flexible considering his situation. Not surprised Dyche dosn’t want him around the squad. The sooner he is off the books the better. File under Bamford,Toys and Pram.
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by TVC15 » Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:21 am
Colburn_Claret wrote: ↑Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:12 am
Gibson was a good signing, sadly it didn't work out.
He could have done himself and the club a favour by keeping his teddy in the pram, but he's frustrated because he wants to play football.
He needs to go for both our sakes, but to describe him as the worst signing in the clubs history, is just fans throwing their teddies out of the pram.
Obviously not the worst player we have ever signed by any means. But hard to disagree that he’s the worst signing given he’s played a couple of games and with wages, signing on / agents fees etc will have cost the club the best part of £25m to £30m if he does see out his contract.
That’s not to say I think it’s anyone at the clubs fault - like many (or most) fans at the time I thought he was a very good signing at a very good price bearing in mind he had made an England squad and consistently been a stand out player for a club not too different from Burnley at the time in terms of how we had done in the Championship and Premier League.
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by taio » Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:26 am
jedi_master wrote: ↑Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:06 am
Gibson sounds like a massive man child.
He’s putting his desire to return to that absolute shithole of a town over his career. I could ALMOST understand it if Boro were a club with any prospects, but they’re going nowhere.
The worst signing in the clubs history keeps on giving.
He could be putting his desire to play football at a club he feels most comfortable ahead of other things after two miserable years at a crucial point in his career. Thought he was an excellent signing at the time.
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by burnmark » Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:28 am
Grumps wrote: ↑Sun Aug 23, 2020 8:56 am
We won't pay price for Worrall...... Gibson won't go to forest because he wants to go to boro
Is this what has been put in The Sun today?
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by Colburn_Claret » Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:29 am
TVC15 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:21 am
Obviously not the worst player we have ever signed by any means. But hard to disagree that he’s the worst signing given he’s played a couple of games and with wages, signing on / agents fees etc will have cost the club the best part of £25m to £30m if he does see out his contract.
That’s not to say I think it’s anyone at the clubs fault - like many (or most) fans at the time I thought he was a very good signing at a very good price bearing in mind he had made an England squad and consistently been a stand out player for a club not too different from Burnley at the time in terms of how we had done in the Championship and Premier League.
But thats all hindsight TVC
The point is when we signed him, EVERYONE thought we had struck gold. He was perfect cover in the eventuality that we lost Tarks.
I would class a bad signing as someone who everyone questions 'why the hell have we bought him?'. Gibson hasn't worked out, but that wasn't his fault, the only complaint we can have is to his reaction to not getting the breakthrough.
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by TVC15 » Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:32 am
Colburn_Claret wrote: ↑Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:29 am
But thats all hindsight TVC
The point is when we signed him, EVERYONE thought we had struck gold. He was perfect cover in the eventuality that we lost Tarks.
I would class a bad signing as someone who everyone questions 'why the hell have we bought him?'. Gibson hasn't worked out, but that wasn't his fault, the only complaint we can have is to his reaction to not getting the breakthrough.
I know - I said that I and others thought it was a good signing.
But best and worst signing debates are often done looking back on something - or how would you know ?
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by Grumps » Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:44 am
burnmark wrote: ↑Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:28 am
Is this what has been put in The Sun today?
Yes
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by jedi_master » Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:55 am
taio wrote: ↑Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:26 am
He could be putting his desire to play football at a club he feels most comfortable ahead of other things after two miserable years at a crucial point in his career. Thought he was an excellent signing at the time.
I too thought he was an excellent signing, he clearly hasn’t been though (of his own making).
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by warksclaret » Sun Aug 23, 2020 10:07 am
If Worrall is that good why have Rangers not made an approach ??. He spent a year on loan with them,not that long ago
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by ClaretTony » Sun Aug 23, 2020 10:07 am
Nixon this morning:
Forest want £10 million for Worrall, that's put us off.
Gibson, most likely a loan back to Middlesbrough.
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by taio » Sun Aug 23, 2020 10:08 am
jedi_master wrote: ↑Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:55 am
I too thought he was an excellent signing, he clearly hasn’t been though (of his own making).
Definitely not. Main point though was it would be a good idea for him to choose his next club - wherever that might be - based on where he feels comfortable and where he will play lots.
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by Woodleyclaret » Sun Aug 23, 2020 10:18 am
We dont want to be paying for the privilege of loaning out Gibson
Better write off the remaining monies and exchange for a Boro player
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by NewClaret » Sun Aug 23, 2020 10:19 am
ClaretTony wrote: ↑Sun Aug 23, 2020 10:07 am
Nixon this morning:
Forest want £10 million for Worrall, that's put us off.
Gibson, most likely a loan back to Middlesbrough.
Not sure Nixon is reliable but pleased about the Worrall element. Not watched him but when their own fans don’t seem impressed, it’s always a worry to me.
Presumably Boro will cancel remaining payments for a loan otherwise cannot see what’s in it for us.
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by ayrshireclaret83 » Sun Aug 23, 2020 10:24 am
warksclaret wrote: ↑Sun Aug 23, 2020 10:07 am
If Worrall is that good why have Rangers not made an approach ??. He spent a year on loan with them,not that long ago
Because he was Garbage here in Scotland
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by Quickenthetempo » Sun Aug 23, 2020 10:28 am
jedi_master wrote: ↑Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:55 am
I too thought he was an excellent signing, he clearly hasn’t been though (of his own making).
Why do you presume it was of his own making? (Apart from defending the club under all circumstances)
There are no details out in public.
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by Steve1956 » Sun Aug 23, 2020 11:01 am
jedi_master wrote: ↑Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:06 am
Gibson sounds like a massive man child.
He’s putting his desire to return to that absolute shithole of a town over his career. I could ALMOST understand it if Boro were a club with any prospects, but they’re going nowhere.
The worst signing in the clubs history keeps on giving.
Worse than Diego Penny?

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by Steve1956 » Sun Aug 23, 2020 11:04 am
And Paul Stewart?....wow thats some statement!

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by Boss Hogg » Sun Aug 23, 2020 11:11 am
taio wrote: ↑Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:26 am
He could be putting his desire to play football at a club he feels most comfortable ahead of other things after two miserable years at a crucial point in his career. Thought he was an excellent signing at the time.
Ahead of sitting on his arse collecting massive wages ? If he’s desperate to play he will take a lower wage elsewhere or agree to go to a club whereby the club can recoup some of its massive cash outlay. Looks like he wants everything. He wants big wages to play for his uncles club who can’t afford it but won’t go elsewhere. His stock value is lower than when we bought him. His playing career has been affected but the big loser here is BFC. Number 1 priority this window needs to be to get rid of him.
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by taio » Sun Aug 23, 2020 11:15 am
Boss Hogg wrote: ↑Sun Aug 23, 2020 11:11 am
Ahead of sitting on his arse collecting massive wages ? If he’s desperate to play he will take a lower wage elsewhere or agree to go to a club whereby the club can recoup some of its massive cash outlay. Looks like he wants everything. He wants big wages to play for his uncles club who can’t afford it but won’t go elsewhere. His stock value is lower than when we bought him. His playing career has been affected but the big loser here is BFC. Number 1 priority this window needs to be to get rid of him.
He has the option to still earn his big wage and play rather than sitting on his arse.
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by tiger76 » Sun Aug 23, 2020 11:30 am
ayrshireclaret83 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 23, 2020 10:24 am
Because he was Garbage here in Scotland
I can testify to that and if he struggled in Scotland he'll definitely struggle in the EPL. Avoid Worrall at our peril, and he's nowhere near worth £10m.
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by randomclaret2 » Sun Aug 23, 2020 11:33 am
Is there no one, anywhere in the vast football world, better than Worrall for less than £10million ? Is that the best value our scouting network can find ??
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by Right_winger » Sun Aug 23, 2020 11:53 am
randomclaret2 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 23, 2020 11:33 am
Is there no one, anywhere in the vast football world, better than Worrall for less than £10million ? Is that the best value our scouting network can find ??
I don’t know why anyone is surprised by the players we seem to target. Our scouting is purely from the lower domestic leagues which is vastly over priced.
I can understand going for a young prospect but worrall? It’s as bad as being interested in Sam Clucas.
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by Spijed » Sun Aug 23, 2020 11:56 am
Right_winger wrote: ↑Sun Aug 23, 2020 11:53 am
I don’t know why anyone is surprised by the players we seem to target. Our scouting is purely from the lower domestic leagues which is vastly over priced.
I can understand going for a young prospect but worrall? It’s as bad as being interested in Sam Clucas.
And our scouting has unearthed JBG, Pope, Taylor & Tarkowski all from the lower leagues and who are considerably worth far more than we paid for them.
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by Cubanclaret » Sun Aug 23, 2020 12:07 pm
I do think Nixon is dismissive of Burnley. Think he’s always been grumpy with us since the Coyle episode.
If Worrall, at 23, with a couple of full championship seasons and England youth pedigree, isn’t worth as much as £10m, then you’d wonder whether he’d be good enough to be a future regular in the Prem, especially with all the clamour for ‘homegrown’ UK centre halves.
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by superdimitri » Mon Aug 24, 2020 7:52 am
Someone needs to slap Gibson so he can have an epiphany, go knock on Woans front door on a Sunday afternoon and apologise.
Sorted.
Mind you, he better wear full suit of armor if he does take up my idea.
I guess the truth of all this will come out when one of our players appears on some podcast in the future ;p
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by Woodleyclaret » Mon Aug 24, 2020 7:57 am
Our scouting network is still a work on progress.We need to develop a comprehensive system similar to Brentfords highly successful one.
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by claretonthecoast1882 » Mon Aug 24, 2020 7:59 am
Woodleyclaret wrote: ↑Mon Aug 24, 2020 7:57 am
Our scouting network is still a work on progress.We need to develop a comprehensive system similar to Brentfords highly successful one.
Their successful one keeps them in the Championship ours keeps us in the Premier League
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by ClaretMov » Mon Aug 24, 2020 9:35 am
Not many....just like yours, moaning one's.
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by MACCA » Mon Aug 24, 2020 9:39 am
You do know the transfer window closes in October and not August this year dont you?
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by boatshed bill » Mon Aug 24, 2020 9:52 am
Exclusive: Burnley make approach to sign Bournemouth defender
By Wayne Veysey -24th August 2020 at 9:40am1
That's as near as I can get to posting a link

It's Adam Smith.
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by randomclaret2 » Mon Aug 24, 2020 10:17 am
On the basis that theyve somehow managed to bring in £60m for Ake and Ramsdale , I dont think we'll be getting Smith on the cheap
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by ClaretMov » Mon Aug 24, 2020 11:13 am
randomclaret2 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 24, 2020 10:17 am
On the basis that theyve somehow managed to bring in £60m for Ake and Ramsdale , I dont think we'll be getting Smith on the cheap
Smith has less than 12 month's left on his contract so I wouldn't expect Burnley to go above 6 million for a 29 year old, plus apart from 11 games on loan at Derby and Leeds he's played all his career down south and he's a London boy so I can't see him coming up north.
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by ClaretMov » Mon Aug 24, 2020 11:16 am
What ever floats your boat
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by Woodleyclaret » Mon Aug 24, 2020 11:44 am
Adam Smith is a good shout
Decent going forward and tough tackler
Swop for Gibson(someone must want him !)
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by MACCA » Mon Aug 24, 2020 12:01 pm
Woodleyclaret wrote: ↑Mon Aug 24, 2020 11:44 am
Adam Smith is a good shout
Decent going forward and tough tackler
Swop for Gibson(someone must want him !)
I'm not so sure, next summer maybe better, then he'll be on a free and still only 30.
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by Wadesawinger » Mon Aug 24, 2020 12:12 pm
As a Christchurch claret here on south coast Im not sure Smiths been a great player for Cherries but I'm not sure hes a Dyche defender Great going forward ,(likes a dive!) defends ok , personally think hes an excellent player but ..... not sure if Sean would take him
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by TVC15 » Mon Aug 24, 2020 12:13 pm
Adam Smith would be a great signing right now. We’d get him cheap as he’s in his last year of his contract.
He can go straight into the first team in a position that has become an issue for us.
Tough tackler but good going forward.
Proven in this league.
Played for England at every level but full international.
What’s not to like ?
For me it’s one of those you would try and get done as quickly as possible as you would think that there could be a number of teams in our league would also be interested. Palace, West Ham, Villa and a few others not great in this position.
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by nyclaret » Mon Aug 24, 2020 12:42 pm
Would be a great signing.
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by NewClaret » Mon Aug 24, 2020 1:17 pm
All the press reports seem to be around central defensive midfielders, centre halves and the odd right back. Don’t dispute that more depth in midfield would be nice, or that a Gibson replacement is needed, but surely we don’t need 3 RB’s next season? And I’d argue none are as important as a RW?
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by Vegas Claret » Mon Aug 24, 2020 1:42 pm
Smith is better going forward than he is defending - maybe he is our right wing option !!