Hillsborough Trial Collapses

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Re: Hillsborough Trial Collapses

Post by RedRoseWardrobe » Sat Jun 05, 2021 9:26 pm

bf2k is completely incapable of reading the inquiry. It was unlawful killing. Fans were not to blame. Persisting with lies is disgusting

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Re: Hillsborough Trial Collapses

Post by Chobulous » Sun Jun 06, 2021 3:07 pm

In health and safety management there is the concept of whether something is “reasonably foreseeable”. This concept is used particularly by the HSE to decide if a prosecution is warranted. In this case the question is was it reasonably foreseeable that the circumstances at the time would lead to what happened. Factors such as too many fans in one place, fans without tickets, the layout of the Leppings Lane end etc all should have been part of that risk assessment. Whether there were ticketless fans, too many fans, or not is irrelevant, the risk assessment should have considered the possibility and plans should have been in place for all reasonably foreseeable scenarios.
They obviously weren’t considered and from that point of view alone, SYP should have been prosecuted

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Re: Hillsborough Trial Collapses

Post by Grumps » Sun Jun 06, 2021 5:18 pm

Chobulous wrote:
Sun Jun 06, 2021 3:07 pm
In health and safety management there is the concept of whether something is “reasonably foreseeable”. This concept is used particularly by the HSE to decide if a prosecution is warranted. In this case the question is was it reasonably foreseeable that the circumstances at the time would lead to what happened. Factors such as too many fans in one place, fans without tickets, the layout of the Leppings Lane end etc all should have been part of that risk assessment. Whether there were ticketless fans, too many fans, or not is irrelevant, the risk assessment should have considered the possibility and plans should have been in place for all reasonably foreseeable scenarios.
They obviously weren’t considered and from that point of view alone, SYP should have been prosecuted
Health and safety rules were different then though, and iam not even sure the concept of risk assessments were a thing.

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Re: Hillsborough Trial Collapses

Post by RedRoseWardrobe » Sun Jun 06, 2021 5:37 pm

Instead of posting ignorant opinions... That add to the ongoing distress of families and survivors... Maybe educate yourself. Sit down and watch the link. https://youtu.be/ejoJN5pwHrc Scraton is without doubt a hero to emerge from this.

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Re: Hillsborough Trial Collapses

Post by Burnley Ace » Tue Jun 08, 2021 11:15 am

ElectroClaret wrote:
Wed May 26, 2021 8:37 pm
There doesn't seem anywhere to go for them now, legally-wise.
Whatever the reasons this didn't get anywhere, it surely can't be right that 96 people were found to have been been "unlawfully killed" and no-one will now (it seems) be held accountable.
I read this in a legal article on this point

Failings by individuals in a position of responsibility do not necessarily amount to criminal offences. Those who insist that someone - anyone - must be punished are seeking vengeance, not justice.”

addressing the point made by, amongst others, Andy Burnham that any trial that follows an inquest should be based on the factual findings of the inquest fails to recognise that an inquest, by its very nature, is inquisitorial and the defendants, in any subsequent trial, have been denied the opportunity to defend themselves.

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