ARTICLE: Ex Stoke defender: Burnley will be a good move for Collins

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ARTICLE: Ex Stoke defender: Burnley will be a good move for Collins

Post by ClaretTony » Tue Jun 22, 2021 3:07 pm

Mike Pejic, former Stoke left-back on Collins.

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Re: ARTICLE: Ex Stoke defender: Burnley will be a good move for Collins

Post by DAVETHEVICAR » Tue Jun 22, 2021 3:14 pm

Hope this gets done

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Post by PremierLeagueClass » Tue Jun 22, 2021 3:16 pm

I work in Stoke and the reaction to this suggests we could be pulling off a serious coup.
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Re: ARTICLE: Ex Stoke defender: Burnley will be a good move for Collins

Post by Rowls » Tue Jun 22, 2021 3:19 pm

We're clearly very keen on him and he appears to be a top target for Dyche.

Hope we get him and Nat Phillips at Liverpool

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Post by Wokingclaret » Tue Jun 22, 2021 3:23 pm

Mike Pejic Ex team mate of Dobo

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Post by Papabendi » Tue Jun 22, 2021 3:24 pm

rumours that what they still owe us for Vokes might be in the mix.
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Re: ARTICLE: Ex Stoke defender: Burnley will be a good move for Collins

Post by ClaretTony » Tue Jun 22, 2021 3:26 pm

Papabendi wrote:
Tue Jun 22, 2021 3:24 pm
rumours that what they still owe us for Vokes might be in the mix.
I don't know about that but it wouldn't be a surprise. I think deals have to be paid within two years which would have meant last January but given the current situation it could have overrun. Stoke are not without money though, or their owners aren't.

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Re: ARTICLE: Ex Stoke defender: Burnley will be a good move for Collins

Post by maccclaret » Tue Jun 22, 2021 3:31 pm

Mike Pejic was always one of those football cards that I seemed to get half a dozen of.

Not changed his hairdo in the meantime looking at photos on Wiki, but European over 65 Taekwondo champion in 2019, which makes me realise what a smashing hairdo he has...
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Re: ARTICLE: Ex Stoke defender: Burnley will be a good move for Collins

Post by ClaretTony » Tue Jun 22, 2021 3:32 pm

I was amazed when I checked to see how long ago it was that he played - he's a couple of years older than me.

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Post by BenWickes » Tue Jun 22, 2021 3:36 pm

Was scratching my head when I read his age and was sure I saw him play in the late 80's/early 90's. Then I realised the Pejic I saw was probably the one who played for Wrexham and Hereford.

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Re: ARTICLE: Ex Stoke defender: Burnley will be a good move for Collins

Post by ecc » Tue Jun 22, 2021 3:40 pm

Just checked and it was Mel Pejic, his younger brother, who played for Wrexham and Hereford.

They had to be related with a surname like that.

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Re: ARTICLE: Ex Stoke defender: Burnley will be a good move for Collins

Post by ClaretTony » Tue Jun 22, 2021 3:43 pm

Mel started at Stoke but played a lot of games for Hereford.

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Post by ecc » Tue Jun 22, 2021 3:54 pm

Over 400 apparently. He played a season in the old Second Division with Wrexham - now that does seem a long time ago - managed by a former Claret.

Wrexham have been out of the EFL for 13 years (after 87 seasons in the League). That's a long time.

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Re: ARTICLE: Ex Stoke defender: Burnley will be a good move for Collins

Post by Buxtonclaret » Tue Jun 22, 2021 4:04 pm

Got told yesterday by a Stokie I've known years that they've not paid for Sam yet and is being factored in.
He reckons we've got him.
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Re: ARTICLE: Ex Stoke defender: Burnley will be a good move for Collins

Post by Leisure » Tue Jun 22, 2021 4:08 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Tue Jun 22, 2021 3:07 pm
Mike Pejic, former Stoke left-back on Collins.

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https://www.uptheclarets.com/ex-stoke-d ... or-collins
Hopefully this gives us a replacement for Tarks plus £10mil or so in the bank.
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Re: ARTICLE: Ex Stoke defender: Burnley will be a good move for Collins

Post by Boss Hogg » Tue Jun 22, 2021 4:09 pm

It’s a crazy world when someone who has only played 39 games in the Championship is worth £12 million and may not be PL ready.

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Re: ARTICLE: Ex Stoke defender: Burnley will be a good move for Collins

Post by PaintYorkClaretnBlue » Tue Jun 22, 2021 4:22 pm

Boss Hogg wrote:
Tue Jun 22, 2021 4:09 pm
It’s a crazy world when someone who has only played 39 games in the Championship is worth £12 million and may not be PL ready.
Potential costs a fortune these days!
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Post by Billyblah » Tue Jun 22, 2021 4:23 pm

He's 20 years of age so will have only been introduced to first team football over the last season or so.
If the Scouts have done their homework correctly then he makes more financial sense than ageing pro"s such as Ashley Young.
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Post by Leisure » Tue Jun 22, 2021 4:23 pm

Boss Hogg wrote:
Tue Jun 22, 2021 4:09 pm
It’s a crazy world when someone who has only played 39 games in the Championship is worth £12 million and may not be PL ready.
Yeah but if he's as good as we hope he is and he'd played 60+ games and proved himself, then we probably wouldn't have been able to afford him!
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Re: ARTICLE: Ex Stoke defender: Burnley will be a good move for Collins

Post by Papabendi » Tue Jun 22, 2021 4:32 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Tue Jun 22, 2021 3:26 pm
I don't know about that but it wouldn't be a surprise. I think deals have to be paid within two years which would have meant last January but given the current situation it could have overrun. Stoke are not without money though, or their owners aren't.

isnt their a potential EFL issue hanging over them?

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Re: ARTICLE: Ex Stoke defender: Burnley will be a good move for Collins

Post by ClaretTony » Tue Jun 22, 2021 4:36 pm

Papabendi wrote:
Tue Jun 22, 2021 4:32 pm
isnt their a potential EFL issue hanging over them?
I think they were one of the clubs placed under a transfer embargo because of late filing of accounts but I don't know about anything else.

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Re: ARTICLE: Ex Stoke defender: Burnley will be a good move for Collins

Post by tiger76 » Tue Jun 22, 2021 4:51 pm

Sounds promising let's get this one over the line ASAP, yes he's young but I'd rather we forked out on potential than waste a fortune on ageing journeyman who'll have no sell on value.

And just because we're seemingly signing Collins, that doesn't automatically mean Tarks will be leaving, although he probably will go this summer, but either way it's always better to get his replacement in first, and then if he does choose to move on we're not left in the lurch.

£12m sounds a lot, but these days it's not a huge amount especially for someone with Collins potential, and he'll surely only improve under Dyche and Mee.

So to get this one tied up would represent a good start to the window for m, however it would only be a start, we'll still need a RW as a minimum, and ideally another CM, and possibly a young RB for when Bards finally hangs up his boots.

If nothing else the introduction of Collins should reduce our average age by quite a margin.

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Post by Elizabeth » Tue Jun 22, 2021 4:58 pm

Exciting news , fingers crossed he’s a good un
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Post by gawthorpe_view » Tue Jun 22, 2021 5:01 pm

'Who is pictured during a 1-0 win at Blackburn'

Excellent choice of photograph.
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Post by evensteadiereddie » Tue Jun 22, 2021 5:27 pm

The lad sounds an excellent prospect and just what we'll need post Tarkowski to help our cause in the PL but also, God forbid, in the championship if we go down. He clearly has the potential to be very useful to us.

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Post by RVclaret » Tue Jun 22, 2021 5:36 pm

We’ve sold Gibson for 8m so effectively paying £4m for him. In that context it seems an absolute bargain…

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Post by SGr » Tue Jun 22, 2021 5:38 pm

Very very happy with this

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Post by JohnMac » Tue Jun 22, 2021 5:47 pm

Exciting stuff getting a young lad in with so much potential.

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Post by Aclaret » Tue Jun 22, 2021 6:05 pm

If he's half as good as his namesake, Doug, I'll be delighted.
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Post by Herts Clarets » Tue Jun 22, 2021 6:16 pm

RVclaret wrote:
Tue Jun 22, 2021 5:36 pm
We’ve sold Gibson for 8m so effectively paying £4m for him. In that context it seems an absolute bargain…
And if the rumours around Vokes are correct we have got Collins and 3m......

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Post by TheFamilyCat » Tue Jun 22, 2021 6:17 pm

maccclaret wrote:
Tue Jun 22, 2021 3:31 pm
Mike Pejic was always one of those football cards that I seemed to get half a dozen of.
I'm sure Neil Orr from West Ham was in every packet sold around 1984.

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Post by Chester Perry » Tue Jun 22, 2021 6:18 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Tue Jun 22, 2021 4:36 pm
I think they were one of the clubs placed under a transfer embargo because of late filing of accounts but I don't know about anything else.
more an argument of whether they have broken FFP, the massive write down on the valuation of the squad in the 2019/20 accounts saw a huge proportion of it accredited to Covid which means it is FFP exempt, there are queries about how much of that is reasonably assigned to the Covid situation - mainly from other clubs that haven't used that tool so dramatically. The write down should have helped them in the last financial year too with regards to FFP, though some have speculated that they need to get a £10m+ sale booked before year end to ensure that they fit FFP this time round.

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Post by Papabendi » Tue Jun 22, 2021 7:00 pm

which I believe, is where we come in...and probably the true value of the deal too.

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Post by Longsider » Tue Jun 22, 2021 7:18 pm

Cue Aston Villa to blow us out of the water.

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Post by Pstotto » Tue Jun 22, 2021 7:35 pm

New Kenny Burns... after he's been given the Club of Clough treatment.

:-)

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Post by Buxtonclaret » Tue Jun 22, 2021 8:04 pm

Pstotto wrote:
Tue Jun 22, 2021 7:35 pm
New Kenny Burns... after he's been given the Club of Clough treatment.

:-)
Kenny Burns! Heck.
That's a blast from a while ago.
He'd have a good bit to live up to there. One of the best of his era.

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Post by ClaretTony » Tue Jun 22, 2021 8:18 pm

Longsider wrote:
Tue Jun 22, 2021 7:18 pm
Cue Aston Villa to blow us out of the water.
Maybe not this time

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Post by Hedontplayforyou » Tue Jun 22, 2021 8:51 pm

Is it true that Stoke hadn’t paid the fee for Vokes?

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Post by Paul Waine » Tue Jun 22, 2021 10:55 pm

Longsider wrote:
Tue Jun 22, 2021 7:18 pm
Cue Aston Villa to blow us out of the water.
I don't think Collins played there early in his career, so no reason for Collins wanting to "go back there."

I guess everyone saw Ashley Young's comments re "Very pleased to be back at Villa. Enjoyed my time here, X seasons back." Nothing about him being offered more money than BFC offered. Villa only 1 season contract, also.

UTC

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Post by ClaretTony » Tue Jun 22, 2021 11:02 pm

Paul Waine wrote:
Tue Jun 22, 2021 10:55 pm
I don't think Collins played there early in his career, so no reason for Collins wanting to "go back there."

I guess everyone saw Ashley Young's comments re "Very pleased to be back at Villa. Enjoyed my time here, X seasons back." Nothing about him being offered more money than BFC offered. Villa only 1 season contract, also.

UTC
Young admitted that as soon as he heard of Villa's interest he told his agent to just go and do it.

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Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Tue Jun 22, 2021 11:18 pm

Boss Hogg wrote:
Tue Jun 22, 2021 4:09 pm
It’s a crazy world when someone who has only played 39 games in the Championship is worth £12 million and may not be PL ready.
Utd paid Fulham £10 million for Chris Smalling and he'd only played 13 PL games after being signed from Maidstone in the Isthmian League Premier Division :lol:

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Post by FCBurnley » Tue Jun 22, 2021 11:33 pm

If Collins is 12 million how much is McNeil worth ? Similar age but that’s all

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Post by Dougall » Wed Jun 23, 2021 10:25 am

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Post by ClaretTony » Wed Jun 23, 2021 10:34 am

Dougall wrote:
Wed Jun 23, 2021 10:25 am
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HA HA

I spoke to him for the first time recently - he says he keeps getting asked if he's busy writing articles about Burnley.
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Post by Leisure » Wed Jun 23, 2021 12:19 pm

Herts Clarets wrote:
Tue Jun 22, 2021 6:16 pm
And if the rumours around Vokes are correct we have got Collins and 3m......
Not quite sure just how this has been arrived at? Vokes reportedly cost Stoke £7.2mil but £1.7mil of that went to Wolves, so if those figures are correct we got £5.5mil plus Peter Crouch.

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Post by Chester Perry » Wed Jun 23, 2021 12:34 pm

Leisure wrote:
Wed Jun 23, 2021 12:19 pm
Not quite sure just how this has been arrived at? Vokes reportedly cost Stoke £7.2mil but £1.7mil of that went to Wolves, so if those figures are correct we got £5.5mil plus Peter Crouch.
The 2019/20 accounts seemed to show that some outstanding transfer debt hadn't been paid on schedule, but it was £2.4m not £5.2m

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Post by Leisure » Wed Jun 23, 2021 1:16 pm

Chester Perry wrote:
Wed Jun 23, 2021 12:34 pm
The 2019/20 accounts seemed to show that some outstanding transfer debt hadn't been paid on schedule, but it was £2.4m not £5.2m
OK. Does that mean that we are still owed part of the fee?

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Post by ClaretTony » Wed Jun 23, 2021 1:18 pm

Leisure wrote:
Wed Jun 23, 2021 1:16 pm
OK. Does that mean that we are still owed part of the fee?
I’d have thought some of the due payment for Sam would come after the date of the last accounts.

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Post by Chester Perry » Wed Jun 23, 2021 1:53 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Wed Jun 23, 2021 1:18 pm
I’d have thought some of the due payment for Sam would come after the date of the last accounts.
The indication of the 2018/19 accounts was that all outstanding transfer payments inwards were due in the 2019/20 edition, there was nothing indicated beyond that, as previously stated that did not happen

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Post by NewClaret » Wed Jun 23, 2021 2:41 pm

Chester Perry wrote:
Wed Jun 23, 2021 1:53 pm
The indication of the 2018/19 accounts was that all outstanding transfer payments inwards were due in the 2019/20 edition, there was nothing indicated beyond that, as previously stated that did not happen
Are you saying they paid the fees owed in 19/20? Or didn’t and we’re still payable? If they’d missed a payment it might explain the price we’ve been able to agree.

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