Aaron Lennon

[Jakubclaret]

That’s a lazy argument. There’s loads of players who would improve us who we do not target.

I just think we don’t get in early enough or take enough gambles on potential, the players are there now young lads playing in L1 & L2 & even lower who will end up in the top leagues the problem being by the time we realise this the valuation is way beyond us, early identification is key, personally I’d employ more scouts to watch more games & grow the network.

[Spiral]

If he signs then there's this: There's going to be a game deep in the middle of the season where we've got a depleted squad, a winger on a yellow card, and are holding on to dear life for a point against a team much better than us, and people are going to be grateful that we'll have Lennon available to just hold the sodding defensive shape of the team for twenty bloody minutes. I'm not being ironic. This is what low-risk, cheap free agents are signed on short term deals for. You don't build teams around these players, but if they can help us scrape even a single point over a season and do nowt else it's worth it.

Doesn't change the face we need to sign a first XI winger for the long term, but Lennon signing for a year doesn't actually get in the way of us signing one, either.

[Spiral]

***fact, not 'face'. Typo.

The edit function being removed from this site is one joke among many others on here. If it becomes so unusable people will eventually go elsewhere for Burnley talk. The glory days of this forum died long ago.

[Jakubclaret]

***fact, not 'face'. Typo.

The edit function being removed from this site is one joke among many others on here. If it becomes so unusable people will eventually go elsewhere for Burnley talk. The glory days of this forum died long ago.

Where exactly would people go? If a better forum exists don’t let me stop you revealing.

[Spiral]

reddit, for a start. You OAP's won't know what that is, though. Or folk will just take to twitter. This forum is starting to smell of pi$$.

[Spiral]

the BFC subreddit is empty, btw, and I'm not saying it'll gain in popularity any time soon, but if you think anyone under 30 is reading this forum you're delusional.

[superdimitri]

We could do a lot worse. Lennon has good work rate, covers well and puts in a shift. He's also someone we know will fit in to the group 100% and won't end up being a disturbance like Gibson or Drinkwater.


So yeah, not great if he's our only signing but we need numbers more than anything, so he's better than nothing.

[joey13]

We could do a lot worse. Lennon has good work rate, covers well and puts in a shift. He's also someone we know will fit in to the group 100% and won't end up being a disturbance like Gibson or Drinkwater.


So yeah, not great if he's our only signing but we need numbers more than anything, so he's better than nothing.

You do know he was sub in that photo don’t you .

[superdimitri]

You do know he was sub in that photo don’t you .

Yep, but I remember that moment and how much you could see it meant to him. Nothing better than seeing your own players celebrating after a goal.

[CharlieinNewMexico]

You do know he was sub in that photo don’t you .

I think that’s the point

[ClaretAL]

Rodriguez is past his best up top. Never mind out wide.

I thought Mancini played well in that position, granted on 2 pre season games but looked the real deal in stature, reading the game, speed and passing

[gandhisflipflop]

the BFC subreddit is empty, btw, and I'm not saying it'll gain in popularity any time soon, but if you think anyone under 30 is reading this forum you're delusional.

I’ve been reading this forum in its various forms since I was 18, I’m 31 now and use this as my main source of info. Not everyone uses those sites.

[WiscoClaret]

the BFC subreddit is empty, btw, and I'm not saying it'll gain in popularity any time soon, but if you think anyone under 30 is reading this forum you're delusional.

Just a heads up: I’m under 30 reading this forum daily!

[fanzone]

I’d not be surprised if the side the started today finishes the season.

If it does it will finish the season heading to the championship. The quality is non existent.

[Spijed]

If it does it will finish the season heading to the championship. The quality is non existent.

So we Don't have any quality players?

[Top Claret]

If it does it will finish the season heading to the championship. The quality is non existent.

If that starting 11 starts the season and keeps fit we won't have any problem in staying up.

Cork is looking in great shape, Vydra just needs to sharpen up and Pope a few more games and we will be up and running.

Fully expect that we will bring in a couple in the next 3 weeks and I would expect Lennon to be one of those

[NewClaret]

We could do a lot worse. Lennon has good work rate, covers well and puts in a shift. He's also someone we know will fit in to the group 100% and won't end up being a disturbance like Gibson or Drinkwater.


So yeah, not great if he's our only signing but we need numbers more than anything, so he's better than nothing.

Completely agree.

We need to recruit - no arguments there - but we could do a lot worse than bring him in if we don’t manage to secure all our targets. If we’re in a lead with 30 minutes to go I think Dyche would trust Lennon to go on and chase everything down to see a game out.

Also pleased to see our club looking after a player that’s had his difficulties.

[BurnleyFC]

Completely agree.

We need to recruit - no arguments there - but we could do a lot worse than bring him in if we don’t manage to secure all our targets. If we’re in a lead with 30 minutes to go I think Dyche would trust Lennon to go on and chase everything down to see a game out.

Also pleased to see our club looking after a player that’s had his difficulties.

I’m pleased that Aaron Lennon seems to be over the worst of his mental health problems but we’re not a charity. He had no sentiment when he moved to Turkey for more money so we shouldn’t need to afford him any grace.

He wasn’t good enough 2 seasons ago, even as a bit part player, so it’s fairly safe to assume he won’t be good enough this time around either.

I wish him well for the rest of his career and hope he finds a club soon, but would hope that club isn’t us.

[Shaggy]

If we sign Lennon then it be evidence where a lot of our recruitment woes come from in my eyes.

We could sign Ryan Christie for less of a wage than Lennon. Christie would significantly improve us, where as Lennon would be a resource drain.

[KRBFC]

Still don't think some of you get what padding out the squad means. Lennon is a perfect example of padding out. Experienced player, knows he isn't guaranteed a start but is reliable and fills a slot, even if it's as back up. It allows another season to develop players and/or sign a replacement.
If Lennon was to sign I don't think he's expecting to walk into the starting XI.
Dyche knows that too but it fills a spot where previously we've had to shove Brownhill or Pieters and that is not their position.
He won't be the last of our transfer business and he's not the player who'll start on the right wing come the close of the window.

I don't think you get what kicking the can down road means either, paying Dale Stephens 37,500£ a week has really been value. How long are we gonna keep papering over gaping leaks with tissue paper? it will bite us in the arse eventually

[NewClaret]

I’m pleased that Aaron Lennon seems to be over the worst of his mental health problems but we’re not a charity. He had no sentiment when he moved to Turkey for more money so we shouldn’t need to afford him any grace.

He wasn’t good enough 2 seasons ago, even as a bit part player, so it’s fairly safe to assume he won’t be good enough this time around either.

I wish him well for the rest of his career and hope he finds a club soon, but would hope that club isn’t us.

On the sentiment part, SD said yesterday “there were a lot of complications to that particular story”. I wouldn’t be so sure that he deserted us and can’t imagine Dyche is the type to demonstrate loyalty to anyone that’s not afforded him.

On being “not good enough” it depends on your perspective of his role. Mine would now be less of a creative player and more of a “do a job”. Not a starter, but someone who adds PL experience and know how. I recall one of his last games he came on, created some space for himself and whipped in a cross we scored from. Then chased everything like a man possessed. To me that’s doing a job.

On the negative side it blocks potential youth team development (Mancini, who should also be playing out of position) but if we are in another relegation battle I’d rather have the experience at our disposal.

[Jamesy]

In a few words: ineffective, ordinary, pointless.

[Newcastleclaret93]

On the sentiment part, SD said yesterday “there were a lot of complications to that particular story”. I wouldn’t be so sure that he deserted us and can’t imagine Dyche is the type to demonstrate loyalty to anyone that’s not afforded him.

On being “not good enough” it depends on your perspective of his role. Mine would now be less of a creative player and more of a “do a job”. Not a starter, but someone who adds PL experience and know how. I recall one of his last games he came on, created some space for himself and whipped in a cross we scored from. Then chased everything like a man possessed. To me that’s doing a job.

On the negative side it blocks potential youth team development (Mancini, who should also be playing out of position) but if we are in another relegation battle I’d rather have the experience at our disposal.

I don’t really see it as blocking youth coming through. I think Dyche has made it quite clear that the youth lads are quite a distance away from being good enough for the first team. (Richardson aside).

[KRBFC]

I think he believes he is bigger than the club.
I was disgusted with his conduct towards the end of that season, his pubic put downs of our chairman, and through that, our club.
And there's always another manager out there. No-one should be indispensable.

with hindsight, I actually agree with that. Garlick was fully supporting Dyche with money for years, suddenly it all dried up. I said at the time, I fully agreed with Garlicks decision to not offer new deals to Hart and Lennon. Garlick should've acted tougher on Dyche imo, disciplined him for public comments etc.

The one question I'd like to ask Garlick was why did the spending suddenly dry up when cash was being saved and should've been made available. We had the money in the last summer window to bring in 4 or 5 players again, like in 2017 when we spent £40m on Brady, Hendrick, Defour, Westwood, Pope and JBG. That money was available to spend last summer and has reportedly been spent on the takeover instead which has reportedly left us in £60m debt and without funds in the club. I think the Guardian reported the takeover has cost the club £90m, that's an absolutely insane amount of money for a club like ours.

[djemba-djemba]

I think he believes he is bigger than the club.
I was disgusted with his conduct towards the end of that season, his pubic put downs of our chairman, and through that, our club.
And there's always another manager out there. No-one should be indispensable.

Agreed, I’ve been saying this since after that City game.

He has been good for Burnley, no doubt about it. But I lost all respect for him around that time.

I fully believe he’d been long gone had anywhere else offered him a job. He only stays because nobody else actually wants him.

[fanzone]

So we Don't have any quality players?

2/3 at most the rest are solid and steady. It won't be enough this season. At some point our poor recruitment is going to come back and bite us on the arse

[Jamesy]

Agreed, I’ve been saying this since after that City game.

He has been good for Burnley, no doubt about it. But I lost all respect for him around that time.

I fully believe he’d been long gone had anywhere else offered him a job. He only stays because nobody else actually wants him.

You are spot on with this post.

[Colburn_Claret]

You do know he was sub in that photo don’t you .

I believe the photo shows his passion for the cause, and I'd much rather that, than Lookmans reluctance.
SD has made it clear he didn't want to lose him in the first place, if you can't respect the gaffers opinion after all these years, there is something wrong.

[IanMcL]

We could sign Ryan Christie for less of a wage than Lennon. Christie would significantly improve us

Perhaps we will...

[IanMcL]

with hindsight, I actually agree with that. Garlick was fully supporting Dyche with money for years, suddenly it all dried up. I said at the time, I fully agreed with Garlicks decision to not offer new deals to Hart and Lennon. Garlick should've acted tougher on Dyche imo, disciplined him for public comments etc.

The one question I'd like to ask Garlick was why did the spending suddenly dry up when cash was being saved and should've been made available. We had the money in the last summer window to bring in 4 or 5 players again, like in 2017 when we spent £40m on Brady, Hendrick, Defour, Westwood, Pope and JBG. That money was available to spend last summer and has reportedly been spent on the takeover instead which has reportedly left us in £60m debt and without funds in the club. I think the Guardian reported the takeover has cost the club £90m, that's an absolutely insane amount of money for a club like ours.

To line the pockets....

[IanMcL]

2/3 at most the rest are solid and steady. It won't be enough this season. At some point our poor recruitment is going to come back and bite us on the arse

Individual qualities combine to make a team.

[Conroy92]

the BFC subreddit is empty, btw, and I'm not saying it'll gain in popularity any time soon, but if you think anyone under 30 is reading this forum you're delusional.

I'm under 30.

[boatshed bill]

And that would have meant relegation

This is just not the case. We were 10th/11th at the time.

[taio]

with hindsight, I actually agree with that. Garlick was fully supporting Dyche with money for years, suddenly it all dried up. I said at the time, I fully agreed with Garlicks decision to not offer new deals to Hart and Lennon. Garlick should've acted tougher on Dyche imo, disciplined him for public comments etc.

The one question I'd like to ask Garlick was why did the spending suddenly dry up when cash was being saved and should've been made available. We had the money in the last summer window to bring in 4 or 5 players again, like in 2017 when we spent £40m on Brady, Hendrick, Defour, Westwood, Pope and JBG. That money was available to spend last summer and has reportedly been spent on the takeover instead which has reportedly left us in £60m debt and without funds in the club. I think the Guardian reported the takeover has cost the club £90m, that's an absolutely insane amount of money for a club like ours.

The answer is simple. Because the acquisition was reliant on the cash pile.

[Spijed]

I think he believes he is bigger than the club.
I was disgusted with his conduct towards the end of that season, his pubic put downs of our chairman, and through that, our club.
And there's always another manager out there. No-one should be indispensable.

If there are other managers out there that are performing miracles on a shoe string where are they?

How come every one who writes about the job SD is doing for the national media continues to say he's doing a brilliant job?

Name one, just one manager who is as regarded as highly as SD by anyone not connected to BFC who works on a small budget.

Btw, I'll just add that you and a few other posters have NEVER had anything to say about SD, so it's no surprise about your comments.

[Devils_Advocate]

The answer is simple. Because the acquisition was reliant on the cash pile.

Or it could easily have been a decision to keep more cash reserves due to Covid and the uncertainty about TV money which our club heavily relies on

[taio]

Or it could easily have been a decision to keep more cash reserves due to Covid and the uncertainty about TV money which our club heavily relies on

The cash in bank was fundamental to the takeover.

[Devils_Advocate]

The cash in bank was fundamental to the takeover.

It may have been but that doesn't mean in the summer that was the reason we kept additional cash reserves and not because Garlicks strategy has always been to ensure the club have enough cash reserves should the worst happen

[Claret_tinted]

Well that threatened to spiral out of control. So glad common sense had been restored.

[taio]

It may have been but that doesn't mean in the summer that was the reason we kept additional cash reserves and not because Garlicks strategy has always been to ensure the club have enough cash reserves should the worst happen

The takeover relied on that cash. I'm surprised anyone would dispute that. It's precisely the reason why we spent next to nothing last summer.

[Devils_Advocate]

The takeover relied on that cash. I'm surprised anyone would dispute that. It's precisely the reason why we spent next to nothing last summer.

I haven't disputed it but takeover or no takeover our transfer policy in the midst of Covid would have always been more cautious.

Burnley under Garklick has always carried cash in the bank so it isnt new that suddenly we stockpiled cash instead of spending it and the fact we may have kept an extra 20-30m back when the future TV payments were in doubt is not out of line with our ongoing strategy.

AKLs takeover was able to happen because Burnley had cash in the bank but that does not necessarily mean the reason we had cash in the bank was to enable the takeover.

You can believe what you like but it is your opinion and take on the situation and not a fact

[SalisburyClaret]

Regardless of how much money we have and where it came from, we should not be spending any of it on a player who averages 1 assist every 15 games and a goal in every 46

[taio]

I haven't disputed it but takeover or no takeover our transfer policy in the midst of Covid would have always been more cautious.

Burnley under Garklick has always carried cash in the bank so it isnt new that suddenly we stockpiled cash instead of spending it and the fact we may have kept an extra 20-30m back when the future TV payments were in doubt is not out of line with our ongoing strategy.

AKLs takeover was able to happen because Burnley had cash in the bank but that does not necessarily mean the reason we had cash in the bank was to enable the takeover.

You can believe what you like but it is your opinion and take on the situation and not a fact

It is a fact - the takeover would not have happened without that cash. Garlick was preparing for the takeover in advance of the transfer window last summer. If you don't believe that to be factual fair enough.

[Devils_Advocate]

It is a fact - the takeover would not have happened without that cash. Garlick was preparing for the takeover in advance of the transfer window last summer. If you don't believe that to be factual fair enough.

It not a fact that the reason we didnt spend money in the transfer window was because of the takeover.

[taio]

It not a fact that the reason we didnt spend money in the transfer window was because of the takeover.

I know it's a fact and I trust that the person who told me was well placed to do so - it's certainly the reason why we spent so little. But let's agree to disagree because this disagreement will go nowhere.

[Devils_Advocate]

But let's agree to disagree because this disagreement will go nowhere.

Agreed

[joey13]

I believe the photo shows his passion for the cause, and I'd much rather that, than Lookmans reluctance.
SD has made it clear he didn't want to lose him in the first place, if you can't respect the gaffers opinion after all these years, there is something wrong.

There’s something wrong when you’re happy signing someone who was at best average the last time around

[Colburn_Claret]

There’s something wrong when you’re happy signing someone who was at best average the last time around

With Bradys departure and JBGs injury record , the only thing that matters is is he better than Pieters on RW..
I'm not pretending it's ideal, but you work with realities, and to go into the season with Lennon is a lot better than going into the season with no-one.

[djemba-djemba]

With Bradys departure and JBGs injury record , the only thing that matters is is he better than Pieters on RW..
I'm not pretending it's ideal, but you work with realities, and to go into the season with Lennon is a lot better than going into the season with no-one.

It’s a bloody disgrace is what it is if this does happen.

[Darthlaw]

With Bradys departure and JBGs injury record , the only thing that matters is is he better than Pieters on RW..
I'm not pretending it's ideal, but you work with realities, and to go into the season with Lennon is a lot better than going into the season with no-one.

Appreciate you’re point but it’s quite sad if we’ve reached the point of quantity rather than quality.

Maybe Steve Stone should be registered, as he was a tidy right winger in his day.