Provoking the crowd.

[Lancasterclaret]

Tell me where I 'Excused' crowd trouble? I didn't. But if you provoke it, it's not surprising if the knuckleheads react.

I didn't say you did, but its an argument being used by the knuckledraggers to justify their actions, which it doesn't

Which is my point

Of course not everyone is going to react the same way, but the point I'm trying to make is that if Zaha acts like a complete prat on the pitch, then point and laugh at him rather than basically reacting to him by charging down the stands

[elwaclaret]

You’re hard

Not a matter of whether I’m hard or not. You comment says more of you than me.

[Gordaleman]

I didn't say you did, but its an argument being used by the knuckledraggers to justify their actions, which it doesn't

Which is my point

Of course not everyone is going to react the same way, but the point I'm trying to make is that if Zaha acts like a complete prat on the pitch, then point and laugh at him rather than basically reacting to him by charging down the stands

The point I was making was that the ref should have stepped in. He watched it all, and did nothing.

[Rileybobs]

The laws of the game state that a '...player must be cautioned, even if the goal is disallowed, for gesturing or acting in a provocative, derisory or inflammatory way'.

So in many ways it isn't even up for debate.

[Lancasterclaret]

The point I was making was that the ref should have stepped in. He watched it all, and did nothing.

I guess then its what offence is he committing?

Being a knob is not an offence thankfully!

[Lancasterclaret]

The laws of the game state that a '...player must be cautioned, even if the goal is disallowed, for gesturing or acting in a provocative, derisory or inflammatory way'.

So in many ways it isn't even up for debate.

In an ideal world, none of it should happen absolutely

[Hipper]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srYTRQ4-gaA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qXX0xozCqk

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/59369388

[Lancasterclaret]

I guess then its what offence is he committing?

Being a knob is not an offence thankfully!

With you now with Rileys post

[Hipper]

And an earlier one with Payet at Nice:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaI-9MU-OQI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snOevL3J52U

[Stayingup]

As has already been discussed, he's bigger, stronger and fitter than 99.9% of your average football fan

Lets save the cartoon bravado for shouting at him from behind a barrier or a steward eh?

He might be but can he handle himself? Thats what would matter. I have a friend, quite innocuous looking, teaches self defence. Now he would show him a thimg or two. You have to ve careful even if you are the obnoxious Zaha.

[Andreshotboots]

Who cares.. they score, they give the crowd a bit of stick.. all part of the fun..

Eric Dier got dogs abuse at the Turf regarding his brother a couple of years ago for example.. if he’d have scored that day I’d have expected him to run in front of the CFS swirling his shirt above his head, and I wouldn’t have blamed him too.

We’ve had it with Vardy, singing about his wife, he then gets his customary goal against us, then celebrates in front of us.. if people see that as inflammatory and they can’t keep themselves under control then it’s a sad world..

[Vegas Claret]

If Zaha was offering someone out on the pitch, and I'm sure those who witnessed it are telling the truth, then who was he offering out, and what had they said/done to him, to encourage it. I don't believe even he would be inspired to offer someone sat there watching the game a punch up at random.

If he had recieved a punishment for it, it would have been a victory for the crowd, and that just isn't right, as much as I dislike Zaha. Why we expect to hold professional footballers to a higher standard than ourselves is ridiculous.

did you see Aberdeen's Funso Ojo get SENT OFF after being pushed by a Dundee fan at the weekend ? Farcical from the ref considering the "fan" has since been charged by police with assault.

Players simply can't approach fans because unfortunately the stands are full of pumped up idiots who think they are all that and then some. Like someone else suggested, those in the stands wouldn't last two minutes against most of these players

[Stayingup]

As has already been discussed, he's bigger, stronger and fitter than 99.9% of your average football fan

Lets save the cartoon bravado for shouting at him from behind a barrier or a steward eh?

Yes but can he handle himself?. There will guys, probably some watching, who aren't as fit but can really handle themselves. Zaha is an obnoxious character. He shoud be careful.

[Backofthenet]

How is that not commenting on it?

I've even said "Zaha should be pointed and laughed at for trying to offer out the entire ground"!

Pretty much all my posts comment on it as well

Next time you get all annoyed about it, point at him and laugh

Is it wrong what he did? You said he was entitled to do it, have you changed your mind? Or condon criminal behaviour?

[Backofthenet]

I guess then its what offence is he committing?

Being a knob is not an offence thankfully!

Threating behaviour is... Under the public order act... His behaviour, in any town centre on Saturday night could have led to arrest and conviction, yet you're OK with it??

[Andreshotboots]

Threating behaviour is... Under the public order act... His behaviour, in any town centre on Saturday night could have led to arrest and conviction, yet you're OK with it??

I don’t think that what happens on a football pitch is ever relevant to the laws we all have to obey.

If that was the case every red card, kick or punch thrown by a player would end up with a custodial sentences.

It’s the season of pantomime villains, and Palace had a few on Saturday, I certainly didn’t lose any sleep over it..

[Lancasterclaret]

Threating behaviour is... Under the public order act... His behaviour, in any town centre on Saturday night could have led to arrest and conviction, yet you're OK with it??

Great example there

[Backofthenet]

I don’t think that what happens on a football pitch is ever relevant to the laws we all have to obey.

If that was the case every red card, kick or punch thrown by a player would end up with a custodial sentences.

It’s the season of pantomime villains, and Palace had a few on Saturday, I certainly didn’t lose any sleep over it..

I think big dunk might disagree

[Backofthenet]

Great example there

Correct, well spotted.... Yet don't answer my other questions... Well swerved

Zaha right or wrong to invite people onto the pitch to fight

One word answer will do.... Tick tock.... Tick tock

[aclaretinstevenage]

Likewise if you are big enough to dish it out from the stands then when a player gives you a bit back they need to accept it

Absolutely correct!

Fans feel entitled to hurl abuse singularly and collectively at opposing players then want to tell there Mums when the player gives it back.

[Backofthenet]

Absolutely correct!

Fans feel entitled to hurl abuse singularly and collectively at opposing players then want to tell there Mums when the player gives it back.

Cupping of ears, high fives etc I've no problem with

Enticing fans onto the pitch to fight is an all different ball game. I wouldn't get away with it, why should Zaha?

[Lancasterclaret]

Correct, well spotted.... Yet don't answer my other questions... Well swerved

Zaha right or wrong to invite people onto the pitch to fight

One word answer will do.... Tick tock.... Tick tock

All your questions (well, the one you've asked repeatedly) have been answered

I mean, I'm not quite sure you get arrested for doing what Zaha did anywhere but hey ho, I'm not sure you are bothered about that

[Lancasterclaret]

Oh hang on, you only joined the forum about a couple of weeks ago

Repeatedly hectoring, not being arsed to read posts, not bothered about replies

Someone trying to get around being blocked perchance?

And liking your own posts....sorry, liking another posters post

More than a little sad

[Backofthenet]

All your questions (well, the one you've asked repeatedly) have been answered

I mean, I'm not quite sure you get arrested for doing what Zaha did anywhere but hey ho, I'm not sure you are bothered about that

40 yrs working in law, iam pretty confident

Was he right or wrong... You still ain't answered.... But I think I know why.

[Backofthenet]

Oh hang on, you only joined the forum about a couple of weeks ago

Repeatedly hectoring, not being arsed to read posts, not bothered about replies

Someone trying to get around being blocked perchance?

And liking your own posts....sorry, liking another posters post

More than a little sad

Aimed at who?... If me, proof please
I just think you should answer a simple question, which you keep failing to do, making you look silly, as others with more posts than me have pointed out.... Bye

[Andreshotboots]

I think big dunk might disagree

Yeah, but big Dunk made Hannibal Lecter look like a Nobel peace prize winner

[RingoMcCartney]

Oh dear.

Once again Lancasterclaret has painted himself into a corner and simply refuses to admit he's contradicted himself and hold his hands up. Then, despite me "liking" several other posters on this thread and posting myself, he let's paranoia and his ego get the better of him and plays the olde "Ringo is so desperate to communicate with me due to how important I am , he's logged in under a different name" card!

If only you were that important!!

[Backofthenet]

Oh dear.

Once again Lancasterclaret has painted himself into a corner and simply refuses to admit he's contradicted himself and hold his hands up. Then, despite me "liking" several other posters he let's paranoia and his ego get the better of him and plays the olde "Ringo is so desperate to communicate with me due to how important I am , he's logged in under a different name" card!

If only you were that important!!

And I thought his comments were towards me... I must be paranoid.... Or he upsets a lot of people

[AfloatinClaret]

If you thought Zaha was bad, you should've seen that Cornet fella giving it large in front of the James Hargreaves Stand, the fans were going mental!

[RingoMcCartney]

And I thought his comments were towards me... I must be paranoid.... Or he upsets a lot of people

With an "I'm never ever wrong" ego the size of Lancasterclaret's, it's easier for him to believe someone could actually be arsed to create a new account, rather than the reality that quite a few on here disagree with him. No, Mr. Always Right prefers to flatter himself.

Anyway, Zahas behaviour was provocative and arrogant and out of order. You know it, I know it and Lancasterclaret knows it. Not surprisingly he just cant/won't bring himself to admit it.

UTC

[dandeclaret]

No they don't nobody should abuse anybody & retaliating to it is just plain silly you don't correct 1 wrong with another wrong for justification.

Isn’t the usual line from you here that if fans don’t like it, then they just shouldn’t go? If there’s something that offends you then just don’t go….. it’s definitely been a fairly consistent argument on other behaviours.

[Ric_C]

I think there is a bit of a disconnect between being offended by what Zaha did and him being shown a second yellow. Personally it didn't bother me too much as it happened. I was more bothered about our shocking defending.

However under the laws of the game, that was pure "inciting the crowd" and is usually a fairly basic yellow card. The fact this carried on after the initial bravado by other palace players made it even more blatant. Mind you I wasn't really expecting the Lino on the Bob Lord side to give anything at all, he seemed to be in a coma for most of the game.

[aclaretinstevenage]

Enticing fans onto the pitch to fight is an all different ball game. I wouldn't get away with it, why should Zaha?

I don't like Zaha but it's simply him not giving in to "fans" goading. Fans giving him the w****r sign, he responds, the fan knows he can't go onto the pitch as it's a criminal offence carrying stiff legal penalty and a lifetime ban from football matches. Zaha wins that little battle.

That's how I see it, obviously different to your view but c'est la vie.

[Backofthenet]

I don't like Zaha but it's simply him not giving in to "fans" goading. Fans giving him the w****r sign, he responds, the fan knows he can't go onto the pitch as it's a criminal offence carrying stiff legal penalty and a lifetime ban from football matches. Zaha wins that little battle.

That's how I see it, obviously different to your view but c'est la vie.

Enticing someone to commit an offence,as you suggest, is wrong,and and an offence , both criminally, and in the laws of the game. If you support his behavior, in either case perhaps your standards are lower than mine, c'est la vie

[aclaretinstevenage]

perhaps your standards are lower than mine

Oh dear!

[evensteadiereddie]

Fans goad a player and the player responds in a way that probably wouldn't get him arrested unless he persisted in acting like that despite a copper telling him to pack it in. The ref should have stepped in to have a word but that was never going to happen.
I don't support his action one bit - he is after all supposed to be a role model. As were some of the dads giving him the w****** sign, presumably.
Not a big deal, quite amusing really. I preferred Benteke's reaction to the pelters he was getting by the CF tunnel. He just laughed and, credit to him, ended up giving a young lad the shirt he asked for. Two different ways of dealing with ignorant slobs and both quite effective. They both won their battles.

[joey13]

Not a matter of whether I’m hard or not. You comment says more of you than me.

Cheers David

[Pstotto]

As a child in the CFC I once booed one of our own players as they came out of the tunnel because a girl I knew, fancied him.

Keep players and fans apart!

Poor Sporting Lisbon fans though, as there's a massive trench between them and the pitch, although not at their training ground.

It spoils the stadium like that and would be dangerous if there were a disaster of some sort.

[elwaclaret]

Cheers David

You are welcome, (I presume) young man; though my name isn’t David.

[bodge]

If Zaha would have gurned in my face after a Palace goal giving it the Charlie Big Potatoes, I would have donned my Rosa Klebb shoes in "From Russia with love" and booted him right up the conker spot.

[Local cricketer]

If Zaha would have gurned in my face after a Palace goal giving it the Charlie Big Potatoes, I would have donned my Rosa Klebb shoes in "From Russia with love" and booted him right up the conker spot.

He’d have gone down before you got near him

[BurnleyFC]

He should’ve definitely been booked for it.

[Jimmymaccer]

It was. Great entertainment.

Yup that was extremely funny!

[joey13]

You are welcome, (I presume) young man; though my name isn’t David.

As in Brent , but you missed the original joke , sorry if you was offended

[elwaclaret]

As in Brent , but you missed the original joke , sorry if you was offended

Oh right, never watched him. He was a pop star last time I took any notice of the guy out of the Office… that was more than enough for one lifetime.

[IanMcL]

Referees do it best.

[aggi]

Cupping of ears, high fives etc I've no problem with

Enticing fans onto the pitch to fight is an all different ball game. I wouldn't get away with it, why should Zaha?

Don't tens of thousands of fans get away with the equivalent every week? Enticing oppositions fans and players into the stands to "fight".

[Backofthenet]

Don't tens of thousands of fans get away with the equivalent every week? Enticing oppositions fans and players into the stands to "fight".

Lots of people get away with lots of things everyday, from murder, down to dropping litter... Doesn't make it right, or something we condone

[aggi]

Lots of people get away with lots of things everyday, from murder, down to dropping litter... Doesn't make it right, or something we condone

It does suggest that your "I wouldn't get away with it" is highly inaccurate though.

[ClaretTony]

did you see Aberdeen's Funso Ojo get SENT OFF after being pushed by a Dundee fan at the weekend ? Farcical from the ref considering the "fan" has since been charged by police with assault.

Players simply can't approach fans because unfortunately the stands are full of pumped up idiots who think they are all that and then some. Like someone else suggested, those in the stands wouldn't last two minutes against most of these players

Absolutely ridiculous from the referee. The only think the player did was confront the idiot who pushed him.

Thankfully the bloke who aimed a pie at an Everton player when we played there recently missed although the pie did land on the pitch. I believe he was picked up on CCTV.

There is no justification for the player responding in the way some do but I don’t think fans can be aggrieved when they are dishing it out.