Plan B and going to the Turf

[Rowls]

Can you please keep this off this hopefully useful and information thread.

Thanks for responding martin.

The club have issed a very helpful piece on how to comply with the latest government mandated restricions to your freedoms (or "rights" as they used be known) here:

https://www.burnleyfootballclub.com/con ... n-b-update

I understand the moderators don't want to have to deal with people throwing insults at each other. I get a lot of insults for posting my opnions so I know how often it happens. I've had my say and I think it's VERY important.

[taio]

Yes - this thread should only be for helpful information about accessing home and away games rather than it descending into the usual shite.

[Bfc]

Anyone any sound advice regarding this question.
I've 2 season tickets in my name. 1 is for my use myself and the other is for friends. I've got a COVID passport on my phone.
Will a friend be allowed entry with the other ticket, if they've a COVID passport, which will probably show their name. Or will it just show a bar code, to the person checking the details.

[jrgbfc]

Anyone any sound advice regarding this question.
I've 2 season tickets in my name. 1 is for my use myself and the other is for friends. I've got a COVID passport on my phone.
Will a friend be allowed entry with the other ticket, if they've a COVID passport, which will probably show their name. Or will it just show a bar code, to the person checking the details.

I'm sure the person checking will just be interested in the barcode and not the name. Hopefully anyway because I use somebody else's season ticket as well.

[beddie]

I'm sure the person checking will just be interested in the barcode and not the name. Hopefully anyway because I use somebody else's season ticket as well.

I would think ( I don’t know of course) the important part is to prove the identity of the person with the pass, regardless of who’s name the season ticket is in.

[SalisburyClaret]

Assuming a normal attendance, I reckon it will take 52 hours per turnstile to get everyone’s covid barcode and season ticket checked. If things go smoothly that is

[Paul Waine]

Assuming a normal attendance, I reckon it will take 52 hours per turnstile to get everyone’s covid barcode and season ticket checked. If things go smoothly that is

It took me no more than 30 seconds to show my covid-19 pass when we played at Chelsea, plus the usual <5seconds to wave my ticket barcode at the turnstile and I was in the ground. Plus I did all of that with my mask on.

Chelsea were checking everyone. Obviously, we were in the away end. However, I know a few Chelsea season ticket holders (a mate has a spare ticket this w/end, but I'm not joining him) and they've all had the covid-19 passes checked at every home game this season.

[Helmshore Claret]

I have an official printed paper NHS Covid pass. It does not have a square QR code though. It does have a barcode on it, next to which it states “Your unique reference Use this to confirm your NHS COVID pass” Any useful comments?

For the last 3 months my wife has been printing off a paper copy of the covid pass (by the way they only last for 30 days not 12 months ,as many were saying.) The pass I have is identical to the phone ones and has the square with all the dots & lines. I wonder if BFC are referring to the card which we all have given to us by the NHS. If I was computer savvy enough I would put a photo of it up (but I'm not). Back in another life when people used to travel by air , my wife's paper printed boarding passes always worked , when people with phones had trouble with the 'readers'. This year I have had 3 Covid jabs, a pneumonia jab, a flu jab and I am having a shingles jab tomorrow and I will be bl---y annoyed if I am refused entry . BTW, my current Covid pass expires at HT in the Everton game.

[jrgbfc]

It took me no more than 30 seconds to show my covid-19 pass when we played at Chelsea, plus the usual <5seconds to wave my ticket barcode at the turnstile and I was in the ground. Plus I did all of that with my mask on.

Chelsea were checking everyone. Obviously, we were in the away end. However, I know a few Chelsea season ticket holders (a mate has a spare ticket this w/end, but I'm not joining him) and they've all had the covid-19 passes checked at every home game this season.

But this is Burnley we're talking about. We struggled to cope with a crowd of about 7 thousand at the England under 21s game last month.

[BabylonClaret]

I've read the statement from the club it's pretty clear. It says you can download the pass and that "paper versions of the vaccination cards" are not accepted.

That's clear that they accept a downloaded nhs covid pass (which can be either digital or paper)

[Elizabeth]

So many people so sure of what will be the case when the Watford game arrives.
I would say to any genuine posters worried about not being able to show a Covid pass on a phone , don’t worry it won’t come to that. Ignore a lot of the previous comments on this thread , they will turn out to be wide of the mark as per usual

[Bosscat]

I've read the statement from the club it's pretty clear. It says you can download the pass and that "paper versions of the vaccination cards" are not accepted.

That's clear that they accept a downloaded nhs covid pass (which can be either digital or paper)

exactly as I read it too BabylonC

[Tribesmen]

Boy here's me thinking it was hard to get a visa to get into Iran , no wonder they call it fortress Turf Moor

[Elizabeth]

exactly as I read it too BabylonC

For sure . There is no way any football club is going to deprive anyone of watching their club in action and have done everything that has been asked of them for the good of themselves and others.
Imagine the unrest this would cause if this was the case.

[Lowbankclaret]

So many people so sure of what will be the case when the Watford game arrives.
I would say to any genuine posters worried about not being able to show a Covid pass on a phone , don’t worry it won’t come to that. Ignore a lot of the previous comments on this thread , they will turn out to be wide of the mark as per usual

If they don’t have to show a Covid pass I will personally report them to the police, on the night and the day after. I will also write to Antony our MP asking for a similar investigation to the xmas parties.
Rules are rules.

[Gordaleman]

The paper pass that my Brother had and my wife has is one with a QR code on ... the paper ones that Lancs Live is talking about are probably the cards that were handed out when having the covid jabs ...

Lets face facts here NOT EVERYONE HAS A SMARTPHONE so to not allow the NHS pass letter would be stupid ...

When I posted, I wasn't discussing the rights or wrongs of what is required. I only related what Lancs Live said. See below and note the very last sentence.

"The new protocols will come into effect for Burnley Football Club on Wednesday 15th December when we play host to Watford at Turf Moor in the Premier League.

"All those, aged 18 and over, in attendance for the game against Watford, and all fixtures, both home and away, moving forwards after this date, will need to pre-register their Covid-19 status. Supporters can access an online form to declare this by clicking here - go.burnleyfc.com/COVIDPass

"Supporters will need to supply one of the following to gain stadium access: NHS Covid-19 passport which you can download on the NHS app or a negative lateral flow test

"Spectators must not bring paper versions of vaccination cards – digital passes are now the required form of acceptable Covid-19 pass.

Full story here. https://www.lancs.live/sport/football/f ... e-22411115

[fidelcastro]

Well... I'm more confused than ever after reading this thread. I don't have any storage space left on my phone for new apps, which is why I applied for a paper Covid pass which duly arrived shortly after my second jab.

It does not have a QR code, just a barcode. I thought this was all you needed, until such time I'm eligible for a third jab, but now I see comments that it's only valid for 30 days or similar.

Does anyone actually know the truth?

[Gordaleman]

As I can't edit, I'll just add this.

"digital passes are now the required form of acceptable Covid-19 pass." I don't know, but maybe that includes QR codes on paper vaccination certificates? Not the small cards that you get when receiving a vaccine.

[Spijed]

Well... I'm more confused than ever after reading this thread. I don't have any storage space left on my phone for new apps, which is why I applied for a paper Covid pass which duly arrived shortly after my second jab.

It does not have a QR code, just a barcode. I thought this was all you needed, until such time I'm eligible for a third jab, but now I see comments that it's only valid for 30 days or similar.

Does anyone actually know the truth?

Paper covid passports have no expiry date.

[fidelcastro]

Paper covid passports have no expiry date.

That's what I thought. So, will my paper pass with a barcode and not a QR code suffice next Wednesday?

[Elizabeth]

If they don’t have to show a Covid pass I will personally report them to the police, on the night and the day after. I will also write to Antony our MP asking for a similar investigation to the xmas parties.
Rules are rules.

Not sure what you mean by this post , not sure what degree of humour you possess.
If by any chance you are being serious , I hope not, let me reassure you I wasn’t referring to people who haven’t yet been vaccinated

[clarethomer]

I presume if you have printed the PDF generated as described below, you should be OK?

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https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavir ... ovid-pass/

[ksrclaret]

If they don’t have to show a Covid pass I will personally report them to the police, on the night and the day after. I will also write to Antony our MP asking for a similar investigation to the xmas parties.
Rules are rules.

If you've ever wondered how some of the historical events were ever allowed to occur.

[Bosscat]

That's what I thought. So, will my paper pass with a barcode and not a QR code suffice next Wednesday?

It should do fidel

[CrosspoolClarets]

If the club have any sense they’ll wave people through who are clearly legit but have done something a bit awry, like having a paper certificate, or one with a barcode not a QR code, or wasn’t aware of the need to preregister.

This variant isn’t going to be widespread in Burnley until next year (hopefully) so the risk is similar to last month, and also being double jabbed (unlike triple) is apparently as much use against it as having a chocolate teapot. So the club should see sense, or it will be chaos next week.

We all want to be safe, but it isn’t just Covid that puts us at risk, a punch up at the turnstiles wouldn’t be great either.

I’ll be nipping into the New Brew’m for a quick pint after a very long drive but I’ll be making sure I’m at the turnstiles for 6:45, just in case.

[SalisburyClaret]

It took me no more than 30 seconds to show my covid-19 pass when we played at Chelsea, plus the usual <5seconds to wave my ticket barcode at the turnstile and I was in the ground. Plus I did all of that with my mask on.

Chelsea were checking everyone. Obviously, we were in the away end. However, I know a few Chelsea season ticket holders (a mate has a spare ticket this w/end, but I'm not joining him) and they've all had the covid-19 passes checked at every home game this season.

30 seconds plus another 5 for the turnstile plus 5 to move to the next person etc means around 100 people per hour per turnstile. We have 40 turnstiles- so 4000 people per hour.

Think the best we’ll get Paul, is a quick flash of the mobile as we go through the turnstiles

[Devils_Advocate]

30 seconds plus another 5 for the turnstile plus 5 to move to the next person etc means around 100 people per hour per turnstile. We have 40 turnstiles- so 4000 people per hour.

Think the best we’ll get Paul, is a quick flash of the mobile as we go through the turnstiles

You expecting 208k on against West Ham?

[Paul Waine]

30 seconds plus another 5 for the turnstile plus 5 to move to the next person etc means around 100 people per hour per turnstile. We have 40 turnstiles- so 4000 people per hour.

Think the best we’ll get Paul, is a quick flash of the mobile as we go through the turnstiles

I'm trying to work out what calculation you've made. I assume your 4,000 per hour is your total through all your 40 turnstiles? So, 100 per hour through each turnstile? 60 minutes, or 60 x 60 seconds = 3,600 seconds? So, your hundred people per hour assumes 36 seconds per person.

But, what you've done is assumed that the entry sequence takes place in series; first fan enters, 36 seconds, 2nd fan enters, another 36 seconds.

Sorry, that's, can I say this gently (I'm trying to recall how Chris Witty said it) not the right calculation. At the same time that I'm getting my covid-19 pass ready to show, the fan behind me is doing the same, and, so on. Then there were multiple stewards checking passes and they were some way before the turnstiles. My 35 seconds took place at the same time as several other fans "35 seconds." Entry to the ground tales place in parallel.

My calc: 10 seconds per person, so 6 per minute and 360 per hour. So, across 40 turnstiles I've got in a crowd of about 15,000. Reduce 10 seconds to 8 or 7 seconds and we've got a full capacity crowd. (Or, were your 40 turnstiles home fans only)?

[CrosspoolClarets]

Telegraph reporting government have accepted fans can be spotchecked rather than everyone being stopped. Great news. Can’t link, saw it on app.

[Lowbankclaret]

Telegraph reporting government have accepted fans can be spotchecked rather than everyone being stopped. Great news. Can’t link, saw it on app.

So we can just ignor the new rules, yea!!!

[Lowbankclaret]

So on the new thread, the club suggest if don’t pre register , you are not getting in.
As I said earlier.
Going to be chaos on the night

[Lowbankclaret]

You need to pre register before every match, that’s what it says.

PRE REGISTER OR YOUR NOT GETTNG IN.

SIMPLE.

Get with new programme folks

[Rileybobs]

You need to pre register before every match, that’s what it says.

PRE REGISTER OR YOUR NOT GETTNG IN.

SIMPLE.

Get with new programme folks

Why do you lie?

’ Please pre-register your COVID status before the match. We cannot guarantee entry to supporters who have not pre-registered.

[Lowbankclaret]

Why do you lie?

’ Please pre-register your COVID status before the match. We cannot guarantee entry to supporters who have not pre-registered.

Or the club will be breaking the laws set by the corrupt gov and will be fine massively to pay for its xmas parties . BFC are going to tread a very tight line here. Any indiscretion will be heavily fined.

[Lowbankclaret]

Why do you lie?

’ Please pre-register your COVID status before the match. We cannot guarantee entry to supporters who have not pre-registered.

So are you reading that and seeing we will let you in and just accept the fines the gov is going to throw at us?

[Rileybobs]

So are you reading that and seeing we will let you in and just accept the fines the gov is going to throw at us?

No. I’m just pointing out that you’re lying when you claim that the club is saying;

’PRE REGISTER OR YOUR NOT GETTNG IN.

[martin_p]

No. I’m just pointing out that you’re lying when you claim that the club is saying;

’PRE REGISTER OR YOUR NOT GETTNG IN.

Although when I saw the spelling I assumed it must be a cut and paste from the official site.

[Rileybobs]

Although when I saw the spelling I assumed it must be a cut and paste from the official site.

[Backofthenet]

Well you need a boat or plane to get here , Jersey has its own government and I have a Jersey passport so yes I class myself as living abroad

No such thing as a Jersey passport, it's a British passport, according to the Jersey goverment

[Paul Waine]

Telegraph reporting government have accepted fans can be spotchecked rather than everyone being stopped. Great news. Can’t link, saw it on app.

Article in The Times this morning.

Most fans may still avoid Covid-19 checks despite new restrictions

Martyn Ziegler, Chief Sports Reporter, Friday December 10 2021, 12.01am, The Times

Sports clubs and events may be allowed to carry out spot checks rather than monitor every fan for proof of vaccination against coronavirus or a negative test result.

From Wednesday, all spectators at events of more than 10,000 people will need proof of a double jab or a negative test, but it is expected that it will be left to local safety advisory groups (SAGs) to decide whether all fans should be checked.

Some clubs have expressed concern that it will be hugely challenging to do so and could lead to bottlenecks. However, Chelsea have been checking all supporters attending the men’s team’s home matches at Stamford Bridge throughout this season in preparation for Covid measures being extended and
are understood to be in favour of that being used as the model for the Premier League to demonstrate it can operate safely with full capacities. Other clubs believe that is unfeasible, especially in some older stadiums.

The RFU is also understood to have told government officials it would be impractical to have vaccine passports or negative test checks for everyone attending a match at Twickenham if 82,000 tickets were sold. It used spot checks for the autumn internationals, which were monitored by the government to measure its success.

Under the latest plan, which is expected to be confirmed early next week, SAGs would be able to stipulate the percentage that need checking in the belief that if, for example, every one in four is monitored then fans would be unwilling to risk being turned away.

The proof of vaccination will be in the form of the NHS app and the results of negative lateral flow tests will have to be uploaded to the government website, which then provides a text message to be shown as proof to stewards.

Mask-wearing inside stadiums will come into force this weekend, but it is unclear whether that will include people sitting in open-air seats or only the inside parts of grounds. Spectators at the PDC World Darts Championship, which starts at Alexandra Palace on Wednesday, will not have to wear masks at tables if they are eating or drinking.

Barry Hearn, the chairman of the Professional Darts Corporation, said he would prefer all fans to be double jabbed.

He told The Times: “The local council has already said they want us to check for a vaccine or recent test result on the app. We would be in favour of only allowing in people who have been double vaccinated as it seems to be the fairest way to make it as safe as possible.”

[Spijed]

No one has still been able to say why we need to register on the club website and what the point of it is.

[SalisburyClaret]

I'm trying to work out what calculation you've made. I assume your 4,000 per hour is your total through all your 40 turnstiles? So, 100 per hour through each turnstile? 60 minutes, or 60 x 60 seconds = 3,600 seconds? So, your hundred people per hour assumes 36 seconds per person.

But, what you've done is assumed that the entry sequence takes place in series; first fan enters, 36 seconds, 2nd fan enters, another 36 seconds.

Sorry, that's, can I say this gently (I'm trying to recall how Chris Witty said it) not the right calculation. At the same time that I'm getting my covid-19 pass ready to show, the fan behind me is doing the same, and, so on. Then there were multiple stewards checking passes and they were some way before the turnstiles. My 35 seconds took place at the same time as several other fans "35 seconds." Entry to the ground tales place in parallel.

My calc: 10 seconds per person, so 6 per minute and 360 per hour. So, across 40 turnstiles I've got in a crowd of about 15,000. Reduce 10 seconds to 8 or 7 seconds and we've got a full capacity crowd. (Or, were your 40 turnstiles home fans only)?

I was basing it on entry taking place in series. If we take your calculations which are fine but they rely on pre checking by additional stewards - but we haven’t employed or trained them yet. Anyway it doesn’t matter as we’re back to random spot checks - not seen anyone get checked yet in any of the previous games

[Peter Loo]

Article in The Times this morning.

Most fans may still avoid Covid-19 checks despite new restrictions

Martyn Ziegler, Chief Sports Reporter, Friday December 10 2021, 12.01am, The Times

Sports clubs and events may be allowed to carry out spot checks rather than monitor every fan for proof of vaccination against coronavirus or a negative test result.

From Wednesday, all spectators at events of more than 10,000 people will need proof of a double jab or a negative test, but it is expected that it will be left to local safety advisory groups (SAGs) to decide whether all fans should be checked.

Some clubs have expressed concern that it will be hugely challenging to do so and could lead to bottlenecks. However, Chelsea have been checking all supporters attending the men’s team’s home matches at Stamford Bridge throughout this season in preparation for Covid measures being extended and
are understood to be in favour of that being used as the model for the Premier League to demonstrate it can operate safely with full capacities. Other clubs believe that is unfeasible, especially in some older stadiums.

The RFU is also understood to have told government officials it would be impractical to have vaccine passports or negative test checks for everyone attending a match at Twickenham if 82,000 tickets were sold. It used spot checks for the autumn internationals, which were monitored by the government to measure its success.

Under the latest plan, which is expected to be confirmed early next week, SAGs would be able to stipulate the percentage that need checking in the belief that if, for example, every one in four is monitored then fans would be unwilling to risk being turned away.

The proof of vaccination will be in the form of the NHS app and the results of negative lateral flow tests will have to be uploaded to the government website, which then provides a text message to be shown as proof to stewards.


Mask-wearing inside stadiums will come into force this weekend, but it is unclear whether that will include people sitting in open-air seats or only the inside parts of grounds. Spectators at the PDC World Darts Championship, which starts at Alexandra Palace on Wednesday, will not have to wear masks at tables if they are eating or drinking.

Barry Hearn, the chairman of the Professional Darts Corporation, said he would prefer all fans to be double jabbed.

He told The Times: “The local council has already said they want us to check for a vaccine or recent test result on the app. We would be in favour of only allowing in people who have been double vaccinated as it seems to be the fairest way to make it as safe as possible.”

As usual more questions then answers.

[fidelcastro]

No one has still been able to say why we need to register on the club website and what the point of it is.

Exactly. Still about as clear as mud.

[Paul Waine]

As usual more questions then answers.

What questions do you have, Peter? I'll see if I can pass them on to the Times to get some answers.

Stay safe.

[CrosspoolClarets]

It seems clear to me that 100% of fans won’t need to be checked but that the threshold should be high enough to deter chancers.

The problem will come if a club tries to be overzealous and exceeds their capability to check ‘x%’ without causing problems such as missing the start of the game. A businesses primary responsibility should be to uphold the law, but then once that is done, serve its customers. That means no late entries by scanning more people than the law (still being negotiated) demands.

Of course the problem here is we have form recently for chaotic stadium entry.

[martin_p]

It seems clear to me that 100% of fans won’t need to be checked but that the threshold should be high enough to deter chancers.

The problem will come if a club tries to be overzealous and exceeds their capability to check ‘x%’ without causing problems such as missing the start of the game. A businesses primary responsibility should be to uphold the law, but then once that is done, serve its customers. That means no late entries by scanning more people than the law (still being negotiated) demands.

Of course the problem here is we have form recently for chaotic stadium entry.

So then people who don’t have the requisite pass or negative test turn up two minutes before kick-off safe in the knowledge they won’t be checked.

[ClaretTony]

No one has still been able to say why we need to register on the club website and what the point of it is.

New article from the club

https://www.burnleyfootballclub.com/con ... egulations

[martin_p]

New article from the club

https://www.burnleyfootballclub.com/con ... egulations

Unfortunately with zero new information.

[RMutt]

New article from the club

https://www.burnleyfootballclub.com/con ... egulations

Haha, we’ll that’s cleared that up then.