January 2022 Burnley Transfer Window Rumours - Links - Discussion

[Norman]

I don't think I have missed your point, it's clear you wouldn't sell Wood and think only by signing a player who has scored 10+ goals in the prem, every season they have played in it, for under 15m would it then be considerable.
I disagree, I think we could find a Striker who can get 10+ from a different league other than the prem for under 15m and offer you more all around game than Wood. Do you know how I know? We've already done it with Cornet

Well for a kickoff, Dyche clearly sees Cornet as a midfielder.
And he's not scored 10+ goals.
He's also not scored 10+ goals consistently.

Basically, I think anybody who wants to sell Wood without any substance of a fallout, and has no realistic names to come in and replace him, is talking absolute nonsense.

[jrgbfc]

Does anyone think there’s been some fallouts this season?? There’s something not quiet right apart from us being sh*te, we don’t look like ‘team’ anymore

Wood definitely hasn't looked happy this year. I'm sure he'd jump at the chance to go to Newcastle.

[claret2018]

Sell him asap and get another striker in who’s less of a lump.

All this talk of 10+ goals a season, he’s not done it this year has he. Been absolutely dreadful for ages.

[Conroy92]

Well for a kickoff, Dyche clearly sees Cornet as a midfielder.
And he's not scored 10+ goals.
He's also not scored 10+ goals consistently.

Basically, I think anybody who wants to sell Wood without any substance of a fallout, and has no realistic names to come in and replace him, is talking absolute nonsense.

You clearly have blinkers.

[Norman]

Wood definitely hasn't looked happy this year. I'm sure he'd jump at the chance to go to Newcastle.

Not sure any player looks happy. I'm sure most players would go to a club that are flinging money at the wall hoping some of it sticks.

[Norman]

You clearly have blinkers.

Irony.

[tiger76]

Given the age of Chris Wood and the remaining length of his contract I would sell him like we should have done with Tarks, letting him run his contract down an potentially leave for nothing should not be allowed to happen.

We have to shift our emphasis to younger players with sell on rather than players at their peak but when contracts expire minimal residual value.

Precisely! the last player I can recall us selling for a decent profit was Heaton back in 2019, and it's vital that a club of our statue sells one player a summer for a large profit, and then reinvests the funds in recruiting future stars, we did this for 3-4 years quite successfully, think Gray, Keane & even Sam Vokes when he was deemed surplus to requirements, but it's a model we've moved away from in the last 2-3 years, and it shows in an ageing squad with little resale value beyond perhaps Cornet, McNeil, Pope and maybe Taylor at a push, Collins I've excluded from that list as he hasn't yet proved himself, and we did pay a fair amount for him, he hopefully will prove to be a bargain, and the early signs are promising, but I'd hope we can keep hold of him for a season or two, and build a team around him and the likes of Roberts amongst others.

Whatever division we're competing in next season, this appears to be the end of an era at BFC, and we'll need to prepare for a large overhaul in the playing staff, but that in itself isn't necessarily a bad thing if we recruit wisely.

[kentonclaret]

Not sure any player looks happy. I'm sure most players would go to a club that are flinging money at the wall hoping some of it sticks.

Haven't you heard players are signing for Newcastle for the "challenge" not the untold Saudi riches

[elwaclaret]

Should any Premier League team sell to Newcastle? Burnley certainly shouldn’t.

Wood is a ten goal a season striker who has scored one, that means get the right men in and we have nine goals in the bank.

[Conroy92]

Well for a kickoff, Dyche clearly sees Cornet as a midfielder.
And he's not scored 10+ goals.
He's also not scored 10+ goals consistently.

Basically, I think anybody who wants to sell Wood without any substance of a fallout, and has no realistic names to come in and replace him, is talking absolute nonsense.

Considering Cornets outscoring Wood let's get another "unproven midfielder" up top. Don't be telling me we can't do better than Wood and then when someone comes in and does I can't use that example as he's a midfielder, if anything it makes your argument more pathetic. Does it not fit the narrative?

[Iloveyoubrady]

He’s not going to get his 10+ this year though is he, he’s looked absolutely dreadful, and we might get something for him - so makes absolutely perfect sense to sell and upgrade. What he’s done is in the past and he was great, but we need to look ahead:

[clarethomer]

I would sell Wood if the price was right and the replacement was identified and likely for us to get them.

My view comes from the fact that Wood is effective where we are getting quality crosses into the box and we are just struggling to do that because of the pressure on the defence and midfield struggling to get the ball forward and Wood being back helping defensively allows the opposition to take a higher defensive line meaning that any balls being cleared are not being picked up.

Not suggesting this is the answer but we have seen a few times that a quick ball over the top and a striker that has a bit of pace and keeps defenders on the back foot is probably one that would be more effective in those games. Vydra has missed some golden opportunities but his movement and pace cause issues and that to me gives me some confidence that having that type of striker is part of our answer.

No point selling Wood though if the money cannot be reused. The answer has to be in getting the team back to putting quality crosses into the box. The number of overhit ones has been noticeable this season purely because we are getting less crosses in. I think the issue is that we are some one dimensional - i.e. get ball out wide it's becoming easier for teams to defend it now.

[Norman]

Considering Cornets outscoring Wood let's get another "unproven midfielder" up top. Don't be telling me we can't do better than Wood and then when someone comes in and does I can't use that example as he's a midfielder. Does it not fit the narrative?

No. But besides, I never said we can't do better than Wood. Stop changing my words to suit your crazy agenda.

What I was insinuating is if we sell Wood we'd struggle to bring in a consistent Premier League goalscorer (in layman's terms that means someone who has scored let's say 10+ goals over the last 4-5 seasons) for the same money.

Now, if we do go down - he's one of the first names on the teamsheet.

Fortunately, I've heard this is rubbish and Newcastle are just being linked to every Tom and Jerry.

[taio]

Now, if we do go down - he's one of the first names on the teamsheet.

Agreed. Doubt he'd be here though.

[BurnleyFC]

Wood would be going at the end of the season anyway.

He’s been a complete passenger this season. Flog him for as much as we can get for him.

[Norman]

Agreed. Doubt he'd be here though.

With 10 players out of contract, and unless he's unhappy, I think we'd keep him.

I hope we do.

[taio]

With 10 players out of contract, and unless he's unhappy, I think we'd keep him.

I hope we do.

I'd hope so too but I'm not sure it'd be realistic for two reasons. First, I believe the club will need the money. Second, I'm sure Wood will want to be playing PL football.

[arise_sir_charge]

Seen a few snippets about players being unsure regarding their contract position etc.

Would it be churlish to suggest that they concentrate on fulfilling the contracts they have as opposed to thinking about their next one!

[KRBFC]

looks to me like Newcastle are doing everything possible to disrupt us.

and we should absolutely welcome it too, especially for players out of contract in 6 months. I don't see any club in the PL taking Ben Mee tbh

[CombatClaret]

I don't think they would which is why I can't see that we'd contemplate selling Wood to Newcastle, unless Pace believes we are definitely going down.

Belief is always an awkward word to throw around when it comes to business.
Pace will already be planning for us going down because he would be a fool not to.
The question is when he thinks it in his interest and the interest of the owners to make decisions based on one outcome or the other.

The bookies have us at about 66% or 2/3 likihood we're going down. Do we turn that to 95% ourselves by selling assets at the best price we can knowing it will make the task of a wholesale squad refresh far more achievable with some funds at a championship level. Gambling on getting back up before the parachute payments run out.

[bobinho]

Wood HAS in past seasons been effective when we have been getting balls into the box. This season, undoubtedly less so.
Great ball into the box v Utd, misses the first defender, Wood misses the ball completely, second defender clears ball.
Great ball into box v Utd, Wood sends free header high and wide.
Great ball into box v Leeds in first half, Wood gets a touch, but to be fair Meslier saved well.

Admittedly, the service hasn't been consistently good enough, but when it has, he's been found wanting.

I am normally very supportive of Wood, but this season he has been less than rank average and has deserved benching long before now.

I keep hearing how he is our biggest and best goal threat.... not now he isn't. Not only is he not scoring, he's not bringing anything else to the table.

[Norman]

I'd hope so too but I'm not sure it'd be realistic for two reasons. First, I believe the club will need the money. Second, I'm sure Wood will want to be playing PL football.

Barry Kilby made a comment a few months ago, that we'd be £50 million worse off straight away if we went down - so could see us cashing in on Pope and McNeil to make that up... Cornet? I think it depends on whether he has a relegation release clause.

We have assets, but I guess every player has their price.

[taio]

Belief is always an awkward word to throw around when it comes to business.
Pace will already be planning for us going down because he would be a fool not to.
The question is when he thinks it in his interest and the interest of the owners to make decisions based on one outcome or the other.

The bookies have us at about 66% or 2/3 likihood we're going down. Do we turn that to 95% ourselves by selling assets at the best price we can knowing it will make the task of a wholesale squad refresh far more achievable with some funds at a championship level. Gambling on getting back up before the parachute payments run out.

He should also be planning for us staying up too which in my view certainly wouldn't mean selling our best goalscorer to a relegation rival.

[CombatClaret]

Seen a few snippets about players being unsure regarding their contract position etc.
Would it be churlish to suggest that they concentrate on fulfilling the contracts they have as opposed to thinking about their next one!

Trying working with full commitment on a job when you don't know if you will have it in a few months. We can all pretend to be paragons of virtue but it's human nature, no one works well under uncertainty or job insecurity.

[KRBFC]

Why the hell would people sell Chris Wood?

To replace him would cost a fortune. He's scored 10+ goals every season he's been with us up to now. His goals have kept us up. If we go down he'd be a machine in the Championship.

because he hasn't got an all around game, doesn't affect the game if he's not scoring. Really limited player

[Norman]

because he hasn't got an all around game, doesn't affect the game if he's not scoring. Really limited player

We're going around in circles with the Wood discussion.

He's not had an all-around game since he's been able to walk. He's always been a limited player.

[tiger76]

With 10 players out of contract, and unless he's unhappy, I think we'd keep him.

I hope we do.

That's fine I you wish to keep him, but at the end of next season he'll be another OOC, and free to walk away for nothing, which given we paid £15m for and he's our joint record signing I'm not convinced we as a club can afford to allow.

We've already seen big money signings running down their contracts, Brady, Hendrick and Vydra spring instantly to mind, And that's an expensive way to run a club with our limitations in the market.

[KRBFC]

Origi and Fuglini (or whatever his name is?) for Chris Wood.......

Tarkowski and Mee sold, Jed Wallace and Nat Phillips in.

Someone do the maths

[gandhisflipflop]

All this talk of “who do we replace him with” I’m fed up of saying this isn’t the fans job. Nobody would have picked trippier to replace mears for example.


Secondly, the argument of his goals have kept us up and we need a striker who can score 10+ a season. No we don’t! What we need is players in multiple positions chipping in with the goals so if one is slightly off it, the chances are the other won’t be. Sell wood, bring in a couple of players who can help the team score more as a collective, rather than just relying on one man.

[CombatClaret]

He should also be planning for us staying up too which in my view certainly wouldn't mean selling our best goalscorer to a relegation rival.

But the plans are almost mutually exclusive.
You can't just keep the plans in two envelopes until the end of the season because both contain actions that must be taken now eg: Keep or sell.
And remember the plan is not the same as outcome. Of the two outcomes, survival or relegation, one is only 33% likely, the other 66%. As a businessperson which envelope do you open and enact now?

[taio]

Barry Kilby made a comment a few months ago, that we'd be £50 million worse off straight away if we went down - so could see us cashing in on Pope and McNeil to make that up... Cornet? I think it depends on whether he has a relegation release clause.

We have assets, but I guess every player has their price.

Highly likely Pope and NcNeil would go, yes. But I think Wood is perhaps even more likely in many ways given he probably would not sign a new contract, he would want to leave I'm sure and the club need the money and is not in a position to wait to lose him for nothing.

[Pearcey]

I’ve just had a look at how many were out of contract in the summer. Didn’t realise it was so many! We’ve got a big job on our hands this month and in the summer. Wish I hadn’t looked now!

[taio]

But the plans are almost mutually exclusive.
You can't just keep the plans in two envelopes until the end of the season because both contain actions that must be taken now eg: Keep or sell.
And remember the plan is not the same as outcome. Of the two outcomes, survival or relegation, one is only 33% likely, the other 66%. As a businessperson which envelope do you open and enact now?

So what would you do? I would keep him in January.

[Norman]

All this talk of “who do we replace him with” I’m fed up of saying this isn’t the fans job. Nobody would have picked trippier to replace mears for example.


Secondly, the argument of his goals have kept us up and we need a striker who can score 10+ a season. No we don’t! What we need is players in multiple positions chipping in with the goals so if one is slightly off it, the chances are the other won’t be. Sell wood, bring in a couple of players who can help the team score more as a collective, rather than just relying on one man.

If we're going off that rubbish, it's not the fan's job to say we sell a player.

[Silkyskills1]

because he hasn't got an all around game, doesn't affect the game if he's not scoring. Really limited player

A bit like Jimmy Greaves, then.

[Norman]

That's fine I you wish to keep him, but at the end of next season he'll be another OOC, and free to walk away for nothing, which given we paid £15m for and he's our joint record signing I'm not convinced we as a club can afford to allow.

We've already seen big money signings running down their contracts, Brady, Hendrick and Vydra spring instantly to mind, And that's an expensive way to run a club with our limitations in the market.

You're only seeing "out of contract in 2023 - sell" - what about IF we go down and his value of helping us get back up?

[CombatClaret]

So what would you do? I would keep him in January.

I don't like to say it but probably a firesale. Accept what is already the most likely outcome, we're going down. Extract the maximum value we can out of players mentioned eg: Wood, Pope etc while they still have the time of their contracts and premier league suitors. And start building a championship-winning squad at the same time as bringing the average age down by about 4 years.

[tiger76]

Origi and Fuglini (or whatever his name is?) for Chris Wood.......

Tarkowski and Mee sold, Jed Wallace and Nat Phillips in.

Someone do the maths

We'd get a fair amount for Wood you'd hope, whether that would be enough to fund both Fuglini and Origi I don't know.

We wouldn't get as much as you might imagine for Mee & Tarks given their contracts are close to expiring.

Wallace should certainly be within our range, Phillips I'm not as sure about, Klopp and Liverpool tend to play hard ball with their outgoings.

If you want somebody to do the maths call Carol Vorderman or Rachel Riley.

But it's clear to me we need to spin some plates in this window, if for no other reason then to refresh our squad, as the present mob ain't keeping us up.

[kentonclaret]

I’ve just had a look at how many were out of contract in the summer. Didn’t realise it was so many! We’ve got a big job on our hands this month and in the summer. Wish I hadn’t looked now!

I recall many posters comments on the Crystal Palace thread last Summer saying that Dyche would be daft to even consider the manager's job owing to the massive rebuilding job that was needed there.

Perhaps potential managers looking at the Turf Moor hot seat will be similarly put off by the massive rebuilding job needed here.

[taio]

I don't like to say it but probably a firesale. Accept what is already the most likely outcome, we're going down. Extract the value we can out of players mentioned eg: Wood, Pope etc. And start building a championship-winning squad at the same time as bringing the average age down by about 4 years.

If you think we are down already then selling is an understandable viewpoint. We are in a really difficult position but I have to believe there is a reasonable chance of us getting out of this mess, so I would want to keep him. That was my original point really.

[tiger76]

You're only seeing "out of contract in 2023 - sell" - what about IF we go down and his value of helping us get back up?

Yes that's a factor as well, but if he won't commit to a new contract, even if his goals did help us get back up, we'd still need to replace him in 2023 anyway.

Also none of us fans actually know the state of the accounts, but IF rumours are to be believed they won't make pretty reading, and it might be that we'll have no option to cash in on our more saleable assets whether we want to our not.

[taio]

Origi and Fuglini (or whatever his name is?) for Chris Wood.......

Tarkowski and Mee sold, Jed Wallace and Nat Phillips in.

Someone do the maths

That assumes Tarkowski and Mee would agree to leave rather than seeing out their contracts. It has already been reported that Tarkowski will wait until the summer for obvious reasons.

[Norman]

even if his goals did help us get back up, we'd still need to replace him in 2023 anyway.

That's my point - the goals that made the difference would be worth more than what we'd get for him.

You need to look further forward than the here and now as there's more to it.

[gandhisflipflop]

If we're going off that rubbish, it's not the fan's job to say we sell a player.

When they’ve seen them with their own eyes, and formed an opinion as to whether or not to accept a potential bid you mean? You’re talking rubbish.

[Norman]

When they’ve seen them with their own eyes, and formed an opinion as to whether or not to accept a potential bid you mean? You’re talking rubbish.

No, you are talking rubbish. Then again, with your incorrect stuff about the vaccines, there's no surprise is there.

[s6t9a2f3f]

Any Newcastle supporter who has watched Woods in any of our matches this season would be distraught at this as a potential signing.
With their money surely loan or buy they have better options than this ? Extremely worrying times for them if the answers no

[ksrclaret]

If we go down we should cash in on:

Pope
Taylor
McNeil
Cornet
Wood

All five would attract PL suitors given they've previously demonstrated an ability to be effective at that level. Most of them would probably go to be squad players rather than first choices, and so talk of getting silly money for them will prove to be just that. We will desperately need the money from their sales, though, so it will have to happen.

We shouldn't be selling any of those five this month.

[gandhisflipflop]

No, you are talking rubbish. Then again, with your incorrect stuff about the vaccines, there's no surprise is there.

Get your booster mate.....

[Norman]

Get your booster mate.....

Already had it. Quite enjoyable.

[Norman]

If we go down we should cash in on:

Pope
Taylor
McNeil
Cornet
Wood

All five would attract PL suitors given they've previously demonstrated an ability to be effective at that level. Most of them would probably go to be squad players rather than first choices, and so talk of getting silly money for them will prove to be just that. We will desperately need the money from their sales, though, so it will have to happen.

We shouldn't be selling any of those five this month.

Can you see the downside of selling them and not getting promoted back?