The Jack Cork mystery...

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Re: The Jack Cork mystery...

Post by SalisburyClaret » Mon Mar 14, 2022 9:13 pm

Just a thought but Dwight may be struggling without Chris Wood. Dwight’s crosses were exactly how Wood wanted them and their movement would have been well rehearsed over a couple of years. Maybe his best role would be as an impact sub for a few games

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Re: The Jack Cork mystery...

Post by Pommieclaret » Mon Mar 14, 2022 10:04 pm

Reporter on lancs live hit the nail firmly on the head when he said Dyche's stubborness will cost us our Premier league status.
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Re: The Jack Cork mystery...

Post by elwaclaret » Mon Mar 14, 2022 10:58 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:
Mon Mar 14, 2022 3:04 pm
The biggest thing about playing Cork was it brought the best out of Brownhill and the midfield looked more connected to the front players. Dyche has completely lost the plot imho, the pressure has got to him.
Hard to argue, we looked much more pro-active - but we must remember that also coincided with Pieters at left back. I like Charlie but we do seem softer on the left when it comes to defending. I’m not sure its not the balance of full backs is not the biggest symptom of our midfield problems. But I’m certainly not, not in the Cork fan club.

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Re: The Jack Cork mystery...

Post by Vegas Claret » Tue Mar 15, 2022 1:10 am

elwaclaret wrote:
Mon Mar 14, 2022 10:58 pm
Hard to argue, we looked much more pro-active - but we must remember that also coincided with Pieters at left back. I like Charlie but we do seem softer on the left when it comes to defending. I’m not sure its not the balance of full backs is not the biggest symptom of our midfield problems. But I’m certainly not, not in the Cork fan club.
Pieters has been a good signing, real shame he got injured imho as he was in top form
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Re: The Jack Cork mystery...

Post by TomtheClaret » Tue Mar 15, 2022 9:29 am

Is there a trigger contract clause in Corks favour if he plays so many games this season? Think Pieters also been a loss imo

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Re: The Jack Cork mystery...

Post by SalisburyClaret » Tue Mar 15, 2022 9:45 am

I don’t think The Jack Cork Mystery (great Agatha Christie whodunnit) is such a mystery-
Imagine you’re a football manager whose side are struggling to score. You look at your midfield options and their PL stats over the last two and a half seasons and you have -
Midfielder A - 0 goals, 0 assists
Midfielder B - 1 goal, 2 assists
Midfielder C - 5 goals, 12 assists

If the problem was conceding goals you might want to play the more defensive midfielders A and B. But the problem is scoring goals so the Manager is always going to select C and the choice is then who to play alongside him.

Not to give the ending away but Westwood is C, Brownhill B and Cork A

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Re: The Jack Cork mystery...

Post by Berne Leigh » Tue Mar 15, 2022 9:55 am

Salisbury the problem is that we are not looking at the last 2 and half years but at this year where we are in a spot of bother. Also we cannot look at the central midfield in isolation it is the whole balance of the field.

What would be interesting to see is how the combinations performed, ie what the results have been this year when we have started with

A & B
A & C
B & C

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Re: The Jack Cork mystery...

Post by SalisburyClaret » Tue Mar 15, 2022 10:09 am

Berne Leigh wrote:
Tue Mar 15, 2022 9:55 am
Salisbury the problem is that we are not looking at the last 2 and half years but at this year where we are in a spot of bother. Also we cannot look at the central midfield in isolation it is the whole balance of the field.

What would be interesting to see is how the combinations performed, ie what the results have been this year when we have started with

A & B
A & C
B & C
It’s a good point but only really useful if you’re comparing the midfield combinations against consistent competition- You’d normally expect A & C to do better against Norwich than A & B against City for example.
Personally I’d play A, B and C. It’s our weakest area and the one most in need of reinforcing. Especially v City

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Re: The Jack Cork mystery...

Post by Berne Leigh » Tue Mar 15, 2022 10:17 am

Salisbury, I agree. However the Cork Brownhill combination did seem to be working and I would have let it go on a little longer. Against city I would play all 3 in CM with Cornet on the left, Lennon on the right and Wort alone up front.

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Re: The Jack Cork mystery...

Post by CoolClaret » Tue Mar 15, 2022 10:21 am

SalisburyClaret wrote:
Tue Mar 15, 2022 9:45 am
I don’t think The Jack Cork Mystery (great Agatha Christie whodunnit) is such a mystery-
Imagine you’re a football manager whose side are struggling to score. You look at your midfield options and their PL stats over the last two and a half seasons and you have -
Midfielder A - 0 goals, 0 assists
Midfielder B - 1 goal, 2 assists
Midfielder C - 5 goals, 12 assists

If the problem was conceding goals you might want to play the more defensive midfielders A and B. But the problem is scoring goals so the Manager is always going to select C and the choice is then who to play alongside him.

Not to give the ending away but Westwood is C, Brownhill B and Cork A
Westwood literally been on every set piece bar penalties in that time span and played every game.

The comparison for that time frame is daft.

Charlie Austin scored 20+ goals for us in the championship but it wasn’t until he left and we found a partnership in Vings that allowed the team to play better as a collective and in return we became much more effective.

Football ain’t money ball

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Re: The Jack Cork mystery...

Post by SalisburyClaret » Tue Mar 15, 2022 10:23 am

Yes the same midfield for me too.

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Re: The Jack Cork mystery...

Post by SalisburyClaret » Tue Mar 15, 2022 10:33 am

CoolClaret wrote:
Tue Mar 15, 2022 10:21 am
Westwood literally been on every set piece bar penalties in that time span and played every game.

The comparison for that time frame is daft.

Charlie Austin scored 20+ goals for us in the championship but it wasn’t until he left and we found a partnership in Vings that allowed the team to play better as a collective and in return we became much more effective.

Football ain’t money ball
Yep apart from those set pieces taken by Cornet, McNeil, Brownhill etc you’re right. And since when did good dead ball delivery become something bad?

Choose any time frame you like the results for assists will be the same

Haven’t got a clue what money ball is

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Re: The Jack Cork mystery...

Post by CoolClaret » Tue Mar 15, 2022 10:36 am

SalisburyClaret wrote:
Tue Mar 15, 2022 10:33 am
Yep apart from those set pieces taken by Cornet, McNeil, Brownhill etc you’re right. And since when did good dead ball delivery become something bad?

Choose any time frame you like the results for assists will be the same

Haven’t got a clue what money ball is
You mentioned 2.5 seasons

Cornet has played for half a season?

Brownhill has played what consistently this season and was on a rotational player since his signing.

McNeil does not take corners when Westwood is playing.

Maybe look it up because you’re taking the money ball approach

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Re: The Jack Cork mystery...

Post by SalisburyClaret » Tue Mar 15, 2022 10:39 am

CoolClaret wrote:
Tue Mar 15, 2022 10:36 am
You mentioned 2.5 seasons

Cornet has played for half a season?

Brownhill has played what consistently this season and was on a rotational player since his signing.

McNeil does not take corners when Westwood is playing.

Maybe look it up because you’re taking the money ball approach

Ok you choose - what players and what time frame?

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Re: The Jack Cork mystery...

Post by CoolClaret » Tue Mar 15, 2022 10:43 am

SalisburyClaret wrote:
Tue Mar 15, 2022 10:39 am
Ok you choose - what players and what time frame?
Let’s do wins as a % of games played this season 8-)
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Re: The Jack Cork mystery...

Post by CoolClaret » Sun Apr 17, 2022 5:05 pm

Back in and we take a point away at West Ham.

There’s definitely some incident happened amongst the squad Dyche/Dyche’s staff

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