Go now Dyche

[tiger76]

Question is what if this form continues in championship surely even the blinkered ones don’t want to drop another division?

I don't think we'll be struggling against relegation in the Champ, but I can easily see us being similar to West Brom this season, and finishing mid-table, the squad has lost it's drive, mainly due to father time catching up with them, and our failure to refresh with younger legs means the framework which previously served us so well is now no longer functioning effectively.

Change is needed in both the playing squad, and also in the management, our form isn't just a blip this has persisted for almost 2 seasons now.

Sadly as SD has now got a spanking new long term contract potting him won't come cheap, unless that said contract has clauses inserted.

[Leisure]

I'm cancelling my season ticket tomorrow if he hasn't gone.

Good!

[boatshed bill]

I have been out for a few today watching the match, then watching the City v Liverpool match, i seriously don't see the reason for the Dyche out calls, we have continuously punched above our weight for the last 7 or 8 seasons, what has suddenly changed apart from certain posters thinking because we are in the premier league we should be world beaters, helloooo it doesn't work like that we are still the same old Burnley fighting most of the time for the points, Sean Dyche didn't lose us the game today the players on the pitch today did, the team he picked in most of the people on here was an improvement because he picked Lowton over Roberts today, which is what many were asking for, yes there has been a significant lack of investment in the team but we have to work with what we have, we are not a glamorous club by any means and don't attract or can afford those sort of players that play for the top six and yes the way the club has changed hands financially is a bit of sore point but it is what it is, but if and yes IF we go down surely Sean Dyche would be the best manager to bring us straight back up, anyway there is still 8 matches to play 24 points available so who knows what will happen. UTC

Sean Dyche has never lost a game since he became manager of Burnley. Remarkable isn't it?
There is absolutely nothing to suggest that he will have the ability to get us back up, but he has a contract.
if I was chairman i'd be having a hard look at some of the coaching staff, I may even get my pruning sheers out

[bumba]

Good!

You can be sarcastic all your want I've watched for over three decades and its utter garbage. It's not even competing it just ruins a day how bad it is and your anger just proves you don't like it much either

[kendalianclaret]

Sean Dyche has never lost a game since he became manager of Burnley. Remarkable isn't it?
There is absolutely nothing to suggest that he will have the ability to get us back up, but he has a contract.
if I was chairman i'd be having a hard look at some of the coaching staff, I may even get my pruning sheers out

No he hasn't boatshed bill, his teams have but he hasn't so you are correct, and murger, where in my post did i say keep him until the end of time, just another couple of negative posters trying to put words in other peoples mouths.

[Vegas Claret]

Good!

thing is Leisure there will be loads like him. I personally know 4 lads that aren't renewing and they've all been going for 35 years. All said the same, the footy on show is rubbish. It's a huge problem and saying "good" isn't a fix for people walking away. You can see Pace etc are trying to make the off field experience better and more inclusive to generate income - losing fans because the football is poor isn't the way forward for us. I'll also remind everyone that the lad from Celtic turned us down because he preferred the style of football Bournemouth play (it suited his style more) - so if we have fans walking away and players turning us down both for the same reason I can't find anything "good" about it.

[gandhisflipflop]

Just got home from a 9 hour round drive. To say I’m angry is an understatement. To watch a hapless midfield constantly hide today and the manager not to do anything about it is unacceptable. I’m honestly done with this season. I can’t take more of the awful hoofball. The tactics today (or lack of) I’d expect better from a league two side.

[claretspice]

There aren’t many managers who have been in charge as long as Dyche had, so the sample size is tiny. However, there’s a distinct feeling of staleness about all we do.

I don’t actively want him gone, but if it was announced tomorrow that he was leaving in the summer, I wouldn’t be concerned.

Think I pretty much subscribe to this. It's a massive call given where we're headed to sack a man who has done such a fabulous job, overall, for this football club and has the record he has in the Championship. But given the way in which our tactical thinking appears to have regressed in the last 2 years or so, I think there's a serious conversation to be had about whether he's understandable burnt out by the challenge of trying to do the same thing over and over again with Burnley on such a limited budget, and whether he has the hunger to rebuild and remodel the club again in the Championship. it's a whites-of-the-eyes job, and I don't have the answer, but I do think the question has to be asked.

Not now though, but it's something that needs to be addressed as soon as the season is over.

[KRBFC]

Norwich didn't get out of first gear and it was so comfortable for them.

Brought a little tear to my eye when I heard the fans singing ''can we play you every week'' and ole'ing as they passed through and around us.

[Spijed]

Think I pretty much subscribe to this. It's a massive call given where we're headed to sack a man who has done such a fabulous job, overall, for this football club and has the record he has in the Championship. But given the way in which our tactical thinking appears to have regressed in the last 2 years or so, I think there's a serious conversation to be had about whether he's understandable burnt out by the challenge of trying to do the same thing over and over again with Burnley on such a limited budget, and whether he has the hunger to rebuild and remodel the club again in the Championship. it's a whites-of-the-eyes job, and I don't have the answer, but I do think the question has to be asked.

Not now though, but it's something that needs to be addressed as soon as the season is over.

Do you think anything can be learnt from Bournemouth and the length of time Eddie Howe was there, and how they've approached things since he left?

[claret2018]

There’s a reason managers don’t stay at a club as long as Dyche has. The last 18 months has shown exactly why.

[DCWat]

It’ll be a sad day, when Dyche does leave. I just hope that everyone remembers everything that he has done for us - it’d be a huge shame if it were to turn sour.

[claretspice]

Do you think anything can be learnt from Bournemouth and the length of time Eddie Howe was there, and how they've approached things since he left?

I can't claim to know enough about Bournemouth. I do though know that anyone who is in the same, highly pressured job for 10 years feels the burn, particularly when the challenge has been the same for about the last 5 of those years (for the first 5 he'll have felt something was building; since then he'll have felt like he's working bloody hard to stand still). I also know that when the only change in that time to your backroom staff is to bring in a mutual friend of you and your assistant, who has previously been coaching within the club, there's a danger there's a lack of external perspective to help freshen things out. Ferguson, for example, appointed a very different sort of assistant about every 5 years - deliberately.

[boatshed bill]

It’ll be a sad day, when Dyche does leave. I just hope that everyone remembers everything that he has done for us - it’d be a huge shame if it were to turn sour.

For me he should have gone after the public fall out with Mike Garlick.
the wheels have been falling off ever since.

And i don't mean he should have been sacked, if he didn't like it he should have walked.

[Vintage Claret]

Still on the fence with the whole "should Dyche stay or go" question.

Been fantastic for Burnley, done an unbelievable job and will always be a legend in my eyes but sometimes there does come a time when previously great relationships grow stale and it's time for both parties to move on.

Maybe BFC and SD are approaching that time, we'll see.

[Jakubclaret]

For me he should have gone after the public fall out with Mike Garlick.
the wheels have been falling off ever since.

And i don't mean he should have been sacked, if he didn't like it he should have walked.

I think you are grossly underestimating just how much revered he was back then by large numbers of the fanbase, he was actually far more important than the chairman almost held godlike in some quarters & beyond reproach even now criticism valid or not can bring stiff resistance.

[agreenwood]

Think I pretty much subscribe to this. It's a massive call given where we're headed to sack a man who has done such a fabulous job, overall, for this football club and has the record he has in the Championship. But given the way in which our tactical thinking appears to have regressed in the last 2 years or so, I think there's a serious conversation to be had about whether he's understandable burnt out by the challenge of trying to do the same thing over and over again with Burnley on such a limited budget, and whether he has the hunger to rebuild and remodel the club again in the Championship. it's a whites-of-the-eyes job, and I don't have the answer, but I do think the question has to be asked.

Not now though, but it's something that needs to be addressed as soon as the season is over.

It’s a small sample size, as I said. Very few managers last 10 years. Possibly for good reason. Of those I can remember that have lasted that long, only Sir Alex Ferguson has consistently shown the ability to freshen things up and be successful and even that was with significant financial backing.

We’re heading into the unknown with Dyche and hoping he can rekindle something we haven’t seen consistently for a few years now.

There are no guarantees with a new manager either of course, but only a negligent board isn’t beginning to seriously consider alternatives.

[Bordeauxclaret]

I can't claim to know enough about Bournemouth. I do though know that anyone who is in the same, highly pressured job for 10 years feels the burn, particularly when the challenge has been the same for about the last 5 of those years (for the first 5 he'll have felt something was building; since then he'll have felt like he's working bloody hard to stand still). I also know that when the only change in that time to your backroom staff is to bring in a mutual friend of you and your assistant, who has previously been coaching within the club, there's a danger there's a lack of external perspective to help freshen things out. Ferguson, for example, appointed a very different sort of assistant about every 5 years - deliberately.

Did he kick them out deliberately?

[boatshed bill]

I think you are grossly underestimating just how much revered he was back then by large numbers of the fanbase, he was actually far more important than the chairman almost held godlike in some quarters & beyond reproach even now criticism valid or not can bring stiff resistance.

Yes, and that should never be the case.

[Wokingclaret]

For me, I'm no longer bothered!

As fans, we made judgements of what was needed in the transfer window, which were not fulfilled.

Not addressed the RW and Central midfield......the story continues

Barnes, Jay Rod, JBG kept on too long.

If Dyche feels he can bring us back up then yes stay, but if his heart is not in it then its time for a change.

Dyche has to be honest here

[Steddyman]

My daughter who is 20 and has been a season ticket holder since she was 7 is now no longer wanting to go on matches because she he is fed up with Dyche and his style of play.

[Jakubclaret]

Yes, and that should never be the case.

True it’s done though, you can later reflect what & where & why things went wrong, this season I think is the beginning of the end & more & more people are now turning against him it’s not irreversible, but I think we would have to keep our league status to keep people onside failure to do that & he’s probably lost the majority who want new direction.

[boatshed bill]

True it’s done though, you can later reflect what & where & why things went wrong, this season I think is the beginning of the end & more & more people are now turning against him it’s not irreversible, but I think we would have to keep our league status to keep people onside failure to do that & he’s probably lost the majority who want new direction.

That is very likely the case.

[alboclaret]

This past month has been the first time where I've seriously questioned Dyche. When we had Cork and Brownhill in the middle, it seemed to get the best out of other players (Brownhill, Lennon and Weghorst especially), we seemed a lot more fluid. Then he brought Westwood back and our form nosedived.

I'm not a Westwood hater, but since he's come back into the team we've gone backwards. It is MIND BOGGLING that in our situation, Dyche didn't revert back to the midfield that gave us 10 points in 4 games. I think that decision is one of the contributing factors to our slow painful relegation and I'm still scratching my head as to why he didn't change back.

This.

Im Not a dyche outer or a Westwood hater or a got any individual issues with Westwood, but I'm sorry , as a player he is completely and obviously no use to any side in this league. I'm sure he's a good lad but I've never seen anyone swing a foot at it so aimlesly without looking . We know its not good enough. But as it seems he fulfills the stats dyche looks at.
My dad's never had a bad words said about dyche but he said today that he's ******* lost the plot when we couldn't get hold of the ball.
I'm done with it, dyche it's been great its been better than great at times and you will always be one of our best, one of our most loved, one of our legends. That's not up for debate but good things come to an end . We might wish for you back but there is something not quiet right and it's time we bother had break.

We will always be lovers, buy maybe just on a break

[Claret]

I have been out for a few today watching the match, then watching the City v Liverpool match, i seriously don't see the reason for the Dyche out calls, we have continuously punched above our weight for the last 7 or 8 seasons, what has suddenly changed apart from certain posters thinking because we are in the premier league we should be world beaters, helloooo it doesn't work like that we are still the same old Burnley fighting most of the time for the points, Sean Dyche didn't lose us the game today the players on the pitch today did, the team he picked in most of the people on here was an improvement because he picked Lowton over Roberts today, which is what many were asking for, yes there has been a significant lack of investment in the team but we have to work with what we have, we are not a glamorous club by any means and don't attract or can afford those sort of players that play for the top six and yes the way the club has changed hands financially is a bit of sore point but it is what it is, but if and yes IF we go down surely Sean Dyche would be the best manager to bring us straight back up, anyway there is still 8 matches to play 24 points available so who knows what will happen. UTC

Good post.
And Dyche is a good manager.

[LongSider75]

Glad you have BEEN OUT today and can comment with such dignity. Some of us have spent16 hours and all our wages on actually being there earning a valid opinion. Isn't television brilliant ?? Plastic fans belong in TV land and nowhere else. Rocky puts you armchair brigade to shame.ssshhhhh !!8

[Vegas Claret]

super fan alert

[LongSider75]

Fickle xx

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

I can imagine Yoda saying the title of this thread, he could do with going to see him for some advice

[COBBLE]

I cannot imagine BFC without Dyche. But sometimes his tactics leave me in shock because they seem so rigid and so obviously wrong. Norwich have two strong but average centre backs who will camp in their box, whose strength is heading ability - yet all day we lump the ball to them. They showed this at TM earlier this season. Why did we not employ a midfielder to play the ball to WW and support him instead of lumping it forward. Why did we send the ball in early from the wings to the two centre backs positioned to stop them all day. We have a number of players who can play on the ground but we play percentage balls. its astonishing how stupid it is. I don't get it.

[Murger]

Glad you have BEEN OUT today and can comment with such dignity. Some of us have spent16 hours and all our wages on actually being there earning a valid opinion. Isn't television brilliant ?? Plastic fans belong in TV land and nowhere else. Rocky puts you armchair brigade to shame.ssshhhhh !!8

So all those that weren't there cannot comment?

[Boss Hogg]

So all those that weren't there cannot comment?

No and especially not if you’ve spent wages on feeding your family and paying bills ( including tv subscriptions !) instead of spending them ‘all’ on travelling to Norwich.

[Jakubclaret]

Anybody prioritising football over putting bread & water on the table for the family needs to see a shrink.

[DCWat]

Anybody prioritising football over putting bread & water on the table for the family needs to see a shrink.

Never prioritise water - it’s the one utility that they can’t cut off!!

[THEWELLERNUT70]

Glad you have BEEN OUT today and can comment with such dignity. Some of us have spent16 hours and all our wages on actually being there earning a valid opinion. Isn't television brilliant ?? Plastic fans belong in TV land and nowhere else. Rocky puts you armchair brigade to shame.ssshhhhh !!8

I hope you haven't driven back

[Vegas Claret]

Brought a little tear to my eye when I heard the fans singing ''can we play you every week'' and ole'ing as they passed through and around us.

I mean, we had a player turn us down for a team in a lower league on less money because he preferred their style of play - that's about as damning a criticism as you can find.

[Vegas Claret]

Glad you have BEEN OUT today and can comment with such dignity. Some of us have spent16 hours and all our wages on actually being there earning a valid opinion. Isn't television brilliant ?? Plastic fans belong in TV land and nowhere else. Rocky puts you armchair brigade to shame.ssshhhhh !!8

have all your 123 posts been this good ?

[Quicknick]

If we go down, get rid of Dyche and appoint the wrong manager, I could see us in League 1.

[BLH_Claret]

If we go down, get rid of Dyche and appoint the wrong manager, I could see us in League 1.

You cannot maintain a failing status quo just because you are scared of the future.

[williamjblazkowicz]

I'm grateful for what Dyche has done for the club and think he should have the chance to rebuild the squad this summer and adjust our style of play. I think a lot of people have accepted some pretty unattractive football while the results were good but when you're playing what we play and losing most games, I can see why patience would wear thin. As such, I'm pretty indifferent as to what happens. Perhaps a change is needed. However, Dyche going now won't make any difference. I think we're down either way and deservedly so. Nowhere near good enough this season.

[Awayfromburnley]

Glad you have BEEN OUT today and can comment with such dignity. Some of us have spent16 hours and all our wages on actually being there earning a valid opinion. Isn't television brilliant ?? Plastic fans belong in TV land and nowhere else. Rocky puts you armchair brigade to shame.ssshhhhh !!8

1- the view from my TV was probably more telling than your view from the corner flag. We were abysmal.

2- do you actually remember the game? Clearly you are somewhat inebriated (which is fine , your choice).

3- Have you really spent all your wages? If so I would say my opinion is more valid than yours purely based on the fact that I did not spend all my wages, you did and therefore I hazard a guess I might be a touch bit smarter than your good self.

4- what are you going to do to get to the Southampton game if you've spent all you wages?

5- how are you going to eat this month?

6- I could go on but I think you get the point. We've had enough of this rubbish.

[turbo5]

Dyche has been brilliant for Burnley he will rightly have a major place in our history.
However everything must come to an end. Managers politicians or any leaders have an effective shelf life. At work they move people around to stop you becoming stagnant after about 5 years.
Dyche like any manager has flows
For me it’s the lack of building the next team behind this one
We have nothing coming through the ranks
Don’t give your youth a chance then didn’t expect to recruit any half decent prospects. He has had 10 years to develop it
Our style of play has been developed around the quality of our players (all that we can afford)
A number of fans are fed up with this style , hoof it up front and hope to reach one of our players ( unfortunately our giant new signing doesn’t win many) when we have a rare break away the winger flies down the wing with nobody to cross to so he passes backwards and eventually back to Pope to flap when a back pass occurs which results in a throwing in. We fight so hard for possession then pass it back to pope
I am not Dyche in or out but from my years working with Americans they don’t normally support people if they aren’t performing. I think this will be his last season with us
As a manager he needs to prove himself elsewhere I think he can’t do any more for us but serve up the same brand of football.

We are playing in a league too big for us, previously every game was played like a cup game against a higher opposition
I see nothing now,

[gandhisflipflop]

1- the view from my TV was probably more telling than your view from the corner flag. We were abysmal.

2- do you actually remember the game? Clearly you are somewhat inebriated (which is fine , your choice).

3- Have you really spent all your wages? If so I would say my opinion is more valid than yours purely based on the fact that I did not spend all my wages, you did and therefore I hazard a guess I might be a touch bit smarter than your good self.

4- what are you going to do to get to the Southampton game if you've spent all you wages?

5- how are you going to eat this month?

6- I could go on but I think you get the point. We've had enough of this rubbish.

I drove down yesterday, but I’m certainly not going to criticise anyone who didn’t, nor does it make their opinion any less valid. To suggest it does is just childish, however emotions were running high yesterday and I suspect the poster will know this. We are all fed up of this rubbish. I have genuinely seen league two sides pass the ball better than us. Those tactics yesterday was Sunday league stuff. From supposed premier league footballers, it isn’t good enough and nothing Dyche can do or say now from here on in will change my opinion that his time is up. He has had 10 years to develop our style, he isn’t going to change in the next few games. The time for talking has long gone.

[Murger]

We played our best football under Dyche when he had Defour at his disposal. Why didn't he build on that? It's because he's a negative manager who can't help what he is.

[warksclaret]

Two big factors for me-he is the longest serving manager bar one, because he has been accountable to no one. I would be the first to admit that he has achieved the PL dream for us, but I doubt if even Pep or Klopp get to that length of service.The warning bells where here 15 months ago Secondly we have today just two Premier League quality players on our books-Pope and Tarks. The rest at best Championship, the others in lower leagues and potential retirement. I blame SD for this. As manager you push for the best possible starting 11. He should have been more of a "CONTE", ie "we buy or I walk". He didn't. Add to that a stubborness ie refusing or being able to exploit loans when even Liverpool and Man City use this option. We have one very stubborn manager, inspired by his own playing days in the lower leagues

He has bought us the best era of football since the early sixties, but sadly now been found out.Once hard to beat, and brilliantly defensively, we have become easy prey-witness the Norwich, Brentford, Newcastle games, set up rigidly with players bought 4 or 5 years ago, and now well past their prime . We once could bring in astute bargains and great free transfers, but that art he once had, have disappeared.

When we get relegated I fear he will be unable to put a new side together and have them playing in such a way to conquer the Championship, and then a year later prove a challenge to the PL. Very sadly I see a passing of both an era and personnel both on and off the pitch

[gandhisflipflop]

We played our best football under Dyche when he had Defour at his disposal. Why didn't he build on that? It's because he's a negative manager who can't help what he is.

And didn’t that signing stem from a poster on here living in Belgium? No disrespect to that poster, but that sums up our recruitment. Pure luck that we signed him.

[turbo5]

Dyche has been brilliant for Burnley he will rightly have a major place in our history.
However everything must come to an end. Managers politicians or any leaders have an effective shelf life. At work they tend to move people around to stop you becoming stagnant after about 5-7 years.
Dyche like any manager has flows
For me it’s the lack of building the next team behind this one
We have nothing coming through the ranks
Don’t give your youth a chance then didn’t expect to recruit any half decent prospects. He has had 10 years to develop it
Our style of play has been developed around the quality of our players (all that we can afford)
A number of fans are fed up with this style , hoof it up front and hope to reach one of our players ( unfortunately our giant new signing doesn’t win many) when we have a rare break away the winger flies down the wing with nobody to cross to so he passes backwards and eventually back to Pope to flap when a back pass occurs which results in a throwing in. We fight so hard for possession then pass it back to pope
I am not Dyche in or out but from my years working with Americans they don’t normally support people if they aren’t performing. I think this will be his last season with us
As a manager and for his own development ( show that he isn’t just institutionalised at Burnley) he needs to prove himself elsewhere I don’t think he can’t do any more for us but serve up the same brand of football and same tactics, whether that be down to money or his limitations.

We are playing in a league too big for us, previously every game was played like a cup game against a higher opposition
I see nothing now,

[snapcrackleandpop]

The worrying thing for me is Dyche in his post match interview said there was not a lot wrong with the performance, now i hope he is taking the p*** because if he isn't that's scary.

[jojomk1]

The worrying thing for me is Dyche in his post match interview said there was not a lot wrong with the performance, now i hope he is taking the p*** because if he isn't that's scary.

Fine margins !!

[bf2k]

Dyche has worked miracles but now is the time for wholesale change. A more progressive manager, younger, quicker players, entertainment and a league in which we can genuinely compete. The financial situation is a real worry though.

Who's this young progressive manager you speak about?

They will have precisely a 1/2 pint pot to **** in to revamp and very poor squad geared up for playing whack-a-ball.

Chris Wood was right. It's all gone very stale but that's down to **** poor recruitment due to **** poor investment from progressive boards.