Name the next manager

[spt_claret]

His team give Jose Mourinho his biggest ever career defeat when they beat Roma 6-1 in the Europa

It's certainly a massive achievement but worth noting Roma played 9/10 backup outfield players. Still an incredible achievement but the team they beat was very different to the team in Serie A, and when they faced a more senior lineup Roma won comprehensively.

He's an interesting suggestion but he's still an enormous gamble. Couldn't represent a bigger change of direction, which will appeal to some but also exacerbate the rebuild needed.

I'd take him over Allardyce or any of the usual carousel, that's for sure. And over anyone looking down the former player route eg. Duff, Barton, Alexander etc

[Gaia]

Liverpool echo on Burnley survival chances after Dyche
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/f ... g-23731860

[Juan Tanamera]

His team away from home v a championship standard team

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1sq1iNADKtw

V Mourinho's Roma

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zHofvAvnmcY

Solbakken looks decent and the pass from Pelligrino for the final goal was sublime.
And how many players do they get forward when they're on the attack?
Talk about charge of the light brigade.

[Penwortham_Claret]

It is when people quote the English league is a step up from abroad where a manager is working

It’s about understanding the league. Getting 46 games out of a championship team at a high physical standard instead of 30 in the Norwegian league. I’m sure he could be excellent in time but sadly I don’t think that is something he will be given under the circumstances

[KRBFC]

It's certainly a massive achievement but worth noting Roma played 9/10 backup outfield players. Still an incredible achievement but the team they beat was very different to the team in Serie A, and when they faced a more senior lineup Roma won comprehensively.

He's an interesting suggestion but he's still an enormous gamble. Couldn't represent a bigger change of direction, which will appeal to some but also exacerbate the rebuild needed.

I'd take him over Allardyce or any of the usual carousel, that's for sure. And over anyone looking down the former player route eg. Duff, Barton, Alexander etc

Fake news.

They played Roma again in the knockout round the other week and beat them 2-1 in the first leg, it was Roma's strongest possible side.

[Swizzlestick]

Potter has been in the job less than 3 year's, it took Dyche 6 to finish 7th, he's got 3 years to catch up and this season he's only 6 points away from 7th so far

Have a look at what Brighton have spent during his tenure, both on fees and salaries. Potter gets a lot of kind press but I'm not entirely sure why - their form is actually very ordinary and they should arguably be doing better than they are considering the money Bloom has put in.

[NewClaret]

It's certainly a massive achievement but worth noting Roma played 9/10 backup outfield players. Still an incredible achievement but the team they beat was very different to the team in Serie A, and when they faced a more senior lineup Roma won comprehensively.

He's an interesting suggestion but he's still an enormous gamble. Couldn't represent a bigger change of direction, which will appeal to some but also exacerbate the rebuild needed.

I'd take him over Allardyce or any of the usual carousel, that's for sure. And over anyone looking down the former player route eg. Duff, Barton, Alexander etc

I agree.

Appealing in some ways, highly risky in others. And I can’t see that implementing a completely different formation/style with so few games left would lead to a positive outcome, so presumably he’d have to adapt to our approach/players for the remaining games anyway.

I remain baffled that we sacked Dyche with 3 games coming up so closely together without having a manager lined up.

[Steddyman]

I Think this is a very important quality in the next manager. The ability to develop younger players from the youth team/academy/U23's is something that can be massively improved. For a club who is financially weaker in the transfer market this would really help strengthen the team as well as funds if players move on to financially bigger clubs.

I saw an article in Lancs Live yesterday that confirmed part of the reason Dyche was sacked was because of his recruitment policy: https://www.lancs.live/sport/football/f ... e-23729177

"Dyche's departure, in part due to the different transfer strategies between him and the board, means the new manager will have to fit into the ALK model. And given next season is starting earlier than normal, July 31 in the Football League, the sooner the better in terms of an appointment to ensure the Clarets can hit the ground running regardless of which division they are in."

[RVclaret]

Fake news.

They played Roma again in the knockout round the other week and beat them 2-1 in the first leg, it was Roma's strongest possible side.

Correct.

Also they were outstanding at Celtic - passed them off the park.

[spt_claret]

I think its a very poor look to degenerate what was an amazing season for BFC under SD btw

Name of the game at the minute by some on here. Act like his achievements were never that special and our last two seasons struggle were due to him and not spending nothing due to a takeover in 2020, and less this season net, absolute and relative than 2019. These mitigating factors apparently don't count.
Apparently inheriting an Premier League squad which was in its 2nd season, with tons of money and getting midtable in 3 years is comparable to a championship squad with no money getting Europe in 6.
Also Potter's win percentage is 27.9%, not able to work Dyches final percentage out but it was 29% in November.

Potter doing well at Brighton albeit with more resources doesn't remotely undercut Dyche doing as well to better with less. Just like good managers existing out there doesn't mean Dyche is or was past it.

But he's gone. We need to focus on finding the best man available now, not on denigrating Dyches achievements to justify the decision or dismissing available candidates because of misgivings about that decision.

[spt_claret]

Fake news.

They played Roma again in the knockout round the other week and beat them 2-1 in the first leg, it was Roma's strongest possible side.

And lost 4-0 in the second leg.

[KRBFC]

And lost 4-0 in the second leg.

They were missing a ton of key players in both legs.

[KRBFC]

One of the gems of that side made the KRBFC scouting list months ago, Ola Solbakken, incredible talent.

[clarethomer]

Born in the Midlands and played his whole career in the English leagues. Not really a direct comparison

Not sure that's relevant to be honest in terms of where he has applied his playing career as a manager so will agree to disagree on that one.

The point is that Potter hadn't managed players in the English leagues either and he came from a nordic country and has stepped up and has been shown that a manager can adapt and transition between leading and motivating players within very much different leagues. I don't see playing in the leagues you are managing a pre-requisite to the the success of a manager.

Knutsun has relevant experience I believe on paper to deliver what ALK want so can understand the potential connection if there is any truth in it.

If I was ALK, would I want a manager who has;

- a record of bringing academy and youth through and making part of a successful team?
- had success in European competition.
- a brand of football that may make it more attractive to global audiences and give us something different?
- have someone that has experience of working with players from the continent and have a different philosophy to building team performance/morale etc

Would I dismiss all these apparent qualities by the fact that he didn't apply his playing career in the English leagues finishing his career nearly 2 decades ago? Probably not.

We need a manager that is SD in some respects - i.e. understands the hard working nature of the town but SD has gone and there isn't many like him about. Trying to replicate SD is probably the worst thing we could do now - I think I would name this Sir Alex Syndrome - there are just certain managers that find success and a formula that works.

If we as a club measure our success by what we think SD would have achieved - i.e. talk about relegation and the immediate promotion with a level of almost certainty that it would have played out that way then some are setting themselves up for a few years of disappointment .

As fans I would say not to hold on to the fact that the next manager isn't going to be the next Sean Dyche. That doesn't mean they can't be successful but we have to accept that the next phase may see the manager trying to achieve success in their own way.

[spt_claret]

They were missing a ton of key players in both legs.

As did Roma in the 6-1 you're touting, see the point?
I'm not saying I'm against him. Just that you can't pick a few impressive results then act like he's clearly the best man available and sure to improve us.
He's an interesting candidate but he is definitely a gamble. I already said I'd take him over a lot- what are you arguing against? If you want me to fall over myself clamouring for him you'll be disappointed. I'll back whoever the manager is but he would be a risk- as, regrettably, are any realistic options.

[dandeclaret]

Not sure that's relevant to be honest in terms of where he has applied his playing career as a manager so will agree to disagree on that one.

The point is that Potter hadn't managed players in the English leagues either and he came from a nordic country and has stepped up and has been shown that a manager can adapt and transition between leading and motivating players within very much different leagues. I don't see playing in the leagues you are managing a pre-requisite to the the success of a manager.

Knutsun has relevant experience I believe on paper to deliver what ALK want so can understand the potential connection if there is any truth in it.

If I was ALK, would I want a manager who has;

- a record of bringing academy and youth through and making part of a successful team?
- had success in European competition.
- a brand of football that may make it more attractive to global audiences and give us something different?
- have someone that has experience of working with players from the continent and have a different philosophy to building team performance/morale etc

Would I dismiss all these apparent qualities by the fact that he didn't apply his playing career in the English leagues finishing his career nearly 2 decades ago? Probably not.

We need a manager that is SD in some respects - i.e. understands the hard working nature of the town but SD has gone and there isn't many like him about. Trying to replicate SD is probably the worst thing we could do now - I think I would name this Sir Alex Syndrome - there are just certain managers that find success and a formula that works.

If we as a club measure our success by what we think SD would have achieved - i.e. talk about relegation and the immediate promotion with a level of almost certainty that it would have played out that way then some are setting themselves up for a few years of disappointment .

As fans I would say not to hold on to the fact that the next manager isn't going to be the next Sean Dyche. That doesn't mean they can't be successful but we have to accept that the next phase may see the manager trying to achieve success in their own way.

Whereas If I was ALK, I would want a manager who could get my business into the premier league, and keep it there as long as possible.

If I were a match going fan, I'd probably want more of the items you've listed above.

[Sleeping Cat]

I saw an article in Lancs Live yesterday that confirmed part of the reason Dyche was sacked was because of his recruitment policy: https://www.lancs.live/sport/football/f ... e-23729177

"Dyche's departure, in part due to the different transfer strategies between him and the board, means the new manager will have to fit into the ALK model. And given next season is starting earlier than normal, July 31 in the Football League, the sooner the better in terms of an appointment to ensure the Clarets can hit the ground running regardless of which division they are in."

It was always clear that Dyche always wanted the experienced pro's and didn't trust many of the recommendations/players suggested to be signed by the club. Rigg got a lot of criticism on here but many of his suggestions were dismissed by Dyche.

I've always wondered why ALK were so openly publicly committed to Dyche when he has always worked in a more traditional manager way to how they wished to recruit. It was clear then as it is now so why the big contract if their recruitment visions didn't match up?

[clarethomer]

Absolutely you'd want that if that is where we are next season (which I accept there is a very strong chance of happening)

Unfortunately the championship is not an easy league as we know and if you are choosing a manager purely on have they got the experience in doing this - it's a sign that they can do it but it doesn't mean it would be something they could achieve with Burnley and the players they have.

How many times do you see successful managers replicate success across different clubs give their success at other clubs has been down to time to build that success etc.

Not dismissing your points but I also haven't seen an available manager that has that criteria of promotion from championship and keeping teams up beyond a season. There will be a small number for sure and SD was one of them but he's gone and he's not an option.

Will be interesting to see who is successful and whether the appointment meets the criteria we all have in our own heads?

[spt_claret]

It was always clear that Dyche always wanted the experienced pro's and didn't trust many of the recommendations/players suggested to be signed by the club. Rigg got a lot of criticism on here but many of his suggestions were dismissed by Dyche.

I've always wondered why ALK were so openly publicly committed to Dyche when he has always worked in a more traditional manager way to how they wished to recruit. It was clear then as it is now so why the big contract if their recruitment visions didn't match up?

Perhaps the assumption was they could buy his consent.

[KlyBfc]

Get ready for Big Sam’s Claret and Blue Army

[ClaretMov]

Whats his budget compared to SDs?

With the money Brighton have spent, they should be doing better than mid table

I think its a very poor look to degenerate what was an amazing season for BFC under SD btw

No I didn't, all I did was say Dyche took 6 years to finish 7th after you was calling Potter after almost 3 years of not achieving it, read into that what ever you want

[Lancasterclaret]

No I didn't, all I did was say Dyche took 6 years to finish 7th after you was calling Potter after almost 3 years of not achieving it, read into that what ever you want

Yes, you did

So no mention of the relative budgets (no surprise)

No mention that SD finished 7th in this third season back in the PL (no surprise)

Look, you want to post stuff on here that comes across as completely disrespectful to what SD has achieved, then you are going to get people questioning it

[Lancasterclaret]

Get ready for Big Sam’s Claret and Blue Army

No point now

If we get the four or six points that we need tomorrow and on Sunday, then there would be no point in changing who is running the side

If we don't, then we are down anyway and have to start planning for the championship

The "BFS danger zone" has thankfully passed, and we should all be very grateful for that

[GodIsADeeJay81]

https://twitter.com/SwissRamble/status/ ... aZIxg&s=19

For the money that's been poured into the club you'd expect Brighton to be doing a lot better than they are.
£300 million of debt according to Swiss Ramble as of 2019/20 season, that's just ridiculous for a club of that size.

[ClaretMov]

Yes, you did

So no mention of the relative budgets (no surprise)

No mention that SD finished 7th in this third season back in the PL (no surprise)

Look, you want to post stuff on here that comes across as completely disrespectful to what SD has achieved, then you are going to get people questioning it

Okay budget's, Potter's net spend in his first 3 years in the Premier league 12.3 million

Dyche's net spend in his first 3 years in the premier 30 million, and that's taking into consideration a lot further back when prices were cheaper

[Lancasterclaret]

Okay budget's, Potter's net spend in his first 3 years in the Premier league 12.3 million

Dyche's net spend in his first 3 years in the premier 30 million, and that's taking into consideration a lot further back when prices were cheaper

When you are in a hole, you don't keep digging mate

But you knock yourself out

I find it astonishing that an actual Burnley fan could degenerate our performance in finishing 7th just because he didn't like SD

Bizarre

[Spijed]

When you are in a hole, you don't keep digging mate

But you knock yourself out

I find it astonishing that an actual Burnley fan could degenerate our performance in finishing 7th just because he didn't like SD

Bizarre

And we didn't even qualify for Europe according to some on here.

[BabylonClaret]

Fake news.

They played Roma again in the knockout round the other week and beat them 2-1 in the first leg, it was Roma's strongest possible side.

Then they got battered 4-0 in the away leg.

I'm not saying they haven't achieved but there is a world of different in playing 30 games a season and beating decent sides in one off games and maintaining that over a season with at least 49 games.

He's an interesting candidate but of the two foreigners linked I think I might fancy the other better.

[KRBFC]

Then they got battered 4-0 in the away leg.

I'm not saying they haven't achieved but there is a world of different in playing 30 games a season and beating decent sides in one off games and maintaining that over a season with at least 49 games.

He's an interesting candidate but of the two foreigners linked I think I might fancy the other better.

Against a very good Roma side, Bodo were missing several key players in both legs. 6-1, 2-2, 2-1, 0-4 over 4 games with Roma.

[KlyBfc]

No point now

If we get the four or six points that we need tomorrow and on Sunday, then there would be no point in changing who is running the side

If we don't, then we are down anyway and have to start planning for the championship

The "BFS danger zone" has thankfully passed, and we should all be very grateful for that

It was a touch of light hearted fun with a dash of something I was given by a source from within the game. I fired back all the usual questions / arguments for why I do t believe we’d give him a short term job. Im not for one minute claiming it’s going to come true hence me making light of it.

[jedi_master]

Potter didn’t come directly from Ostersund to Brighton is the biggest difference - he did a season with Swansea in the Championship first where he did well.

Not sure how somebody coming from the Norwegian league can be classed as a step up from Sean Dyche. He beat a Mourinho side in the Europa Conference League (or whatever it’s called now) and that seems to be the primary motivation for his name being put forward. We beat Liverpool, United, Chelsea, City, Spurs, Arsenal etc in some cases multiple times/home and away over the last few years but I’m not sure it means an awful lot? That was in a proper competition too.

I confess to knowing nothing about him, the league he is from or his style of football but it seems a quite bizarre link on paper. What is the Norwegian league comparative in quality to? Below SPL standard one would think? The only other job I can see that he’s been linked to is Aberdeen, which says a lot. Out of the more ‘out there’ names suggested, Diego Martinez has achieved a lot more (in my opinion!) in bringing a small club up into a big league and competing at a high standard with them.

Not writing him off to be clear, just quizzical.

[ClaretMov]

When you are in a hole, you don't keep digging mate

But you knock yourself out

I find it astonishing that an actual Burnley fan could degenerate our performance in finishing 7th just because he didn't like SD

Bizarre

you asked about budget's I answered you, but you don't like being proved wrong.

I proved when asked about budgets that Dyche spent more than Potter after you said Potter spent more, I think it's you that's digging you plank.......BIZARRE

[BabylonClaret]

you asked about budget's I answered you, but you don't like being proved wrong.

I proved when asked about budgets that Dyche spent more than Potter after you said Potter spent more, I think it's you that's digging you plank.......BIZARRE

What's the wage bill of those sides?

[KRBFC]

Potter didn’t come directly from Ostersund to Brighton is the biggest difference - he did a season with Swansea in the Championship first where he did well.

Not sure how somebody coming from the Norwegian league can be classed as a step up from Sean Dyche. He beat a Mourinho side in the Europa Conference League (or whatever it’s called now) and that seems to be the primary motivation for his name being put forward. We beat Liverpool, United, Chelsea, City, Spurs, Arsenal etc in some cases multiple times/home and away over the last few years but I’m not sure it means an awful lot? That was in a proper competition too.

This is the part where you're going wrong and looking at it the wrong way. You're looking at Dyche results from years ago without even considering how damn poor we've been for 18 months. A short term spark is an upgrade on Dyche, a short term spark we weren't getting with him here.

[Lancasterclaret]

you asked about budget's I answered you, but you don't like being proved wrong.

I proved when asked about budgets that Dyche spent more than Potter after you said Potter spent more, I think it's you that's digging you plank.......BIZARRE

Cool, you provide me with the detailed budgets of both of them

Whenever you are ready mate

[spt_claret]

you asked about budget's I answered you, but you don't like being proved wrong.

I proved when asked about budgets that Dyche spent more than Potter after you said Potter spent more, I think it's you that's digging you plank.......BIZARRE

If you want to talk net spend rather than gross, Dyches net spend the past 2 seasons has been around £4-6m off the top of my head.
Brighton got £50m for Ben White and £13m for Dan Burn which hammers net spend down. Let's see gross spend.

[jedi_master]

This is the part where you're going wrong and looking at it the wrong way. You're looking at Dyche results from years ago without even considering how damn poor we've been for 18 months. A short term spark is an upgrade on Dyche, a short term spark we weren't getting with him here.

No I get your stance on that, I think it’s a fair one too. I am looking at the Dyche ‘era’ with my post as opposed to to just the last 18 months. That’s possibly unfair as nobody, in my opinion, will do as good a job as he has done for the last 10 years.

That being said, if we’re after a short term spark I think putting a relative novice in place who (presumably) plays a totally different style/has a limited knowledge of our players is incredibly risky. Then again - I think we’re already down and have done for weeks, so if it’s more to an eye on the league lower and a total revolution that’s fair enough.

[KRBFC]

No I get your stance on that, I think it’s a fair one too. I am looking at the Dyche ‘era’ with my post as opposed to to just the last 18 months. That’s possibly unfair as nobody, in my opinion, will do as good a job as he has done for the last 10 years.

That being said, if we’re after a short term spark I think putting a relative novice in place who (presumably) plays a totally different style/has a limited knowledge of our players is incredibly risky. Then again - I think we’re already down and have done for weeks, so if it’s more to an eye on the league lower and a total revolution that’s fair enough.

I just don't see the relevance of where we finished 4+ years ago when looking for a new manager? surely the most important thing is looking at the previous 6 months - 1 year that's led to the manager being sacked. If we want an upgrade on Dyche, we want an upgrade in performances to the ones we've seen at Norwich, Newcastle, Leeds and Brentford away this season. An upgrade on 4 wins all season long.

[KRBFC]

As for already being down, I agree with Dyche here we were toast after the Norwich performance. Suddenly, Everton lose tonight and we win Tomorrow we're out of the bottom 3 with a more favourable run in.

[JonBerro]

‘Chris Wilder to Burnley now at an advanced stage but details still need to be sorted for it to reach the final stages’

Simon Dobson on Twitter, 35k followers as a football journalist

[ClaretMov]

If you want to talk net spend rather than gross, Dyches net spend the past 2 seasons has been around £4-6m off the top of my head.
Brighton got £50m for Ben White and £13m for Dan Burn which hammers net spend down. Let's see gross spend.

I know to win an argument let's keep changing it until you win, I'll start by saying our pies are the biggest in size

Some people ask a question then when proved wrong they don't like it and switch it around to fit ZZZZzzzz CBA with it, it could go on for weeks

[ClaretMov]

‘Chris Wilder to Burnley now at an advanced stage but details still need to be sorted for it to reach the final stages’

Simon Dobson on Twitter, 35k followers as a football journalist

Why was Pace abroad then

[Wokingclaret]

As for already being down, I agree with Dyche here we were toast after the Norwich performance. Suddenly, Everton lose tonight and we win Tomorrow we're out of the bottom 3 with a more favourable run in.

IF & IF

[Lancasterclaret]

I know to win an argument let's keep changing it until you win, I'll start by saying our pies are the biggest in size

Some people ask a question then when proved wrong they don't like it and switch it around to fit ZZZZzzzz CBA with it, it could go on for weeks

Well, no

I just want you to come up with the figures

I mean, I can't believe that anyone is actually arguing the point you are doing, but I'm more than happy to die on this hill

The actual budgets mate, whenever you are ready

[KRBFC]

IF & IF

A realistic if but yeah, it's not quite over just yet.

[spt_claret]

I know to win an argument let's keep changing it until you win, I'll start by saying our pies are the biggest in size

Some people ask a question then when proved wrong they don't like it and switch it around to fit ZZZZzzzz CBA with it, it could go on for weeks

You're missing the point somewhat. I know I'm changing the metrics- and I'm doing it to illustrate that you can pick and choose how you look at something to inform how you frame it and hit a different conclusion. The main point is the two clubs' budgets, and transfer activities,have been radically different. Apart from Wood we don't generally sell, certainly oversell like Wood and White both were.
The capital available has been vastly different,for various reasons. I think we probably should have cashed in on McNeil when he was linked to Villa/Utd, and Tarkowski last summer,to try bring in funds to improve the squad. We didn't.
Potter and Brighton did, had more money to play with as a result, he also has a higher wage bill and an owner capable of underwriting debt obligations much bigger than we can afford,giving him more leeway in negotiations as there's less need, or business approach, to balance the books.

Potter is doing well at Brighton. Dyche did incredibly well at us until the funds completely dried up, at which point he struggled (as would anyone). One doing well doesn't diminish the other.

[Lancasterclaret]

‘Chris Wilder to Burnley now at an advanced stage but details still need to be sorted for it to reach the final stages’

Simon Dobson on Twitter, 35k followers as a football journalist

Hmm, his posts do suggests a combination of exclusives that aren't true and retweets of actual journalists

Course, Wilder is the best of a bad bunch if we are going down that road, but its not one I agree with

[Blakesboots]

Whereas If I was ALK, I would want a manager who could get my business into the premier league, and keep it there as long as possible.

If I were a match going fan, I'd probably want more of the items you've listed above.

The idea is to find the correct mix of both. Pragmatic and entertaining!

[JonBerro]

Why was Pace abroad then

You can interview multiple candidates before making a decision

[Lancasterclaret]

Christ, I thought I was wrong

SD actually finished 7th in the 2nd season back in the premier league, not the 3rd

Still an amazing achievement

I think Potter is a good manager btw, just not as good as his supporters think he is

And with his budget, he will probably be expecting to challenge for the position we actually managed with one of the smallest budgets in the premier league

If you want to disagree with any of that Claretmov, then feel free