Name the next manager

[Lancasterclaret]

Why is so much focus on Carvalhal?

One tweet from Nixon

Three pages of people tearing their hair out because of one tweet from a journalist who gets a lot of things wrong

[KRBFC]

what can we say about some of these other managers being linked like Kjetil Knutsen. He's never managed in English football. He's never even played in English football. Duff has (and at the highest level).

Jurgen Klopp, Jose Mourinho, Pep Guardiola, Arsene Wenger, Antonio Conte, Thomas Tuchel, Sir Alex all never played in English football.

[Silkyskills1]

So you quoted me just to nit pick again? do you have some issue with me?

It's a discussion board. Everyone makes good points, others not so good whereupon posters have their say. That's what keeps it alive. No vendetta from me ; I'm used to being criticised and just have to put up with it. I just attempt to get a point/ suggestion across when or where I think it's relevant. Just simply pointed out there was a slight difference in interpretation. No big deal. People 'nit pick' as you say, all the time usually to try and reinforced their argument. I've no idea who 99.9 % of.people are on here. Nowt personal. Have a good day.

[daveisaclaret]

The thing is with Duff (and I know he credits Cotterill and Dyche equally) is that he's the closest thing to being a sort of "next Dyche" that there is. And given we've just chosen to not have Dyche, you'd have to think that that makes Duff very unappealing even if they have heard of him.

[KRBFC]

and lets not even go down the ''he's played at the highest level'' argument for being a good manager

[ClaretTony]

Why is so much focus on Carvalhal?

That one's a worry

[CrosspoolClarets]

I think people underestimate the elite level we are at and the way managers as well as players get found out. Talk of Jackson staying if we stay up is farcical, he doesn't have anything like the experience and nous needed, it is unfair on him to load that much pressure, he is simple a facilitator to allow the players to express themselves and do what they can to survive. I worry about what happens in games where the opponent shifts styles and we have to respond.

The same rationale of course would rule out Carvahal. No evidence he has what it takes either, albeit a lot more experienced around Europe.

[williamjblazkowicz]

Jurgen Klopp, Jose Mourinho, Pep Guardiola, Arsene Wenger, Antonio Conte, Thomas Tuchel, Sir Alex all never played in English football.

I'm aware of that and I'm not saying that you have to play professionally to be a good coach. I think you may be missing the point I'm trying to make (or perhaps I wasn't clear enough). Some people argue Duff doesn't have enough experience at a particular level. I'm arguing that the same argument could be made for some managers from abroad. I simply doubled down on that argument by saying that not only does Knutsen not have experience managing in England, he hasn't even played professionally. In short, all managers come with some risk and few will tick every box.

[KRBFC]

It's a discussion board. Everyone makes good points, others not so good whereupon posters have their say. That's what keeps it alive. No vendetta from me ; I'm used to being criticised and just have to put up with it. I just attempt to get a point/ suggestion across when or where I think it's relevant. Just simply pointed out there was a slight difference in interpretation. No big deal. People 'nit pick' as you say, all the time usually to try and reinforced their argument. I've no idea who 99.9 % of.people are on here. Nowt personal. Have a good day.

Fair enough, I'm confused what the difference in interpretation is though? I thought Vamos meant the same thing in Portuguese and Spanish? Although Madrid use the word ''Hala'' instead of Vamos.

[KRBFC]

I think people underestimate the elite level we are at and the way managers as well as players get found out. Talk of Jackson staying if we stay up is farcical, he doesn't have anything like the experience and nous needed, it is unfair on him to load that much pressure, he is simple a facilitator to allow the players to express themselves and do what they can to survive. I worry about what happens in games where the opponent shifts styles and we have to respond.

The same rationale of course would rule out Carvahal. No evidence he has what it takes either, albeit a lot more experienced around Europe.

I agree with this, Dyche overall did a great job here, the jury is still out on him as a manager though in the footballing world. Only been semi successful at one club and I think his style and basic tactical approach got figured out in the last 2 years. He'll need to reinvent himself somewhat to have further success, especially higher up.

[Silkyskills1]

And therein lies the crux of the problem. It's a game of risk, more so than ever now. Take Cooper at Forest. A lamentable offering by his team in last years play off but in the next 12 months creates a team looking at the Premier League again. Others would argue though he's achieved nothing yet.

[Lancasterclaret]

And therein lies the crux of the problem. It's a game of risk, more so than ever now. Take Cooper at Forest. A lamentable offering by his team in last years play off but in the next 12 months creates a team looking at the Premier League again. Others would argue though he's achieved nothing yet.

I don't think anyone would argue what Cooper has done at Swansea and Forest counts as "achieved nothing" yet surely, not even on here!

He'd be great, but I just don't think he is going to come here

I'm really trying to think of who I'd like, and I'm struggling

I've got huge lists of who I don't want though!

[Gaia]

NEW: Burnley shortlist to replace Sean Dyche is down to just two names: Sam Allardyce and Rafa Benitez. Owners expect new man appointed by Monday latest. More to follow. FG. https://t.co/DTJiDlAmyt

https://twitter.com/iammrazul/status/15 ... L1G9Q&s=19

[ClaretLoup]

Only been semi successful at one club

This just about sums up your level of analysis in one phrase.

[Newcastleclaret93]

NEW: Burnley shortlist to replace Sean Dyche is down to just two names: Sam Allardyce and Rafa Benitez. Owners expect new man appointed by Monday latest. More to follow. FG. https://t.co/DTJiDlAmyt

https://twitter.com/iammrazul/status/15 ... L1G9Q&s=19

Neither particularly exciting but I guess they are quite pragmatic and would do a job.

[KRBFC]

This just about sums up your level of analysis in one phrase.

In the wider world, that's the view. In football, real success is winning trophies and competing for titles. Scraping 40 points a season to survive isn't looked at the same way.

It doesn't mean it's right, it's just how it is. Nor does it mean I agree with that view.

[Quickenthetempo]

NEW: Burnley shortlist to replace Sean Dyche is down to just two names: Sam Allardyce and Rafa Benitez. Owners expect new man appointed by Monday latest. More to follow. FG. https://t.co/DTJiDlAmyt

https://twitter.com/iammrazul/status/15 ... L1G9Q&s=19

The stuff of nightmares.

Pace out

[RVclaret]

NEW: Burnley shortlist to replace Sean Dyche is down to just two names: Sam Allardyce and Rafa Benitez. Owners expect new man appointed by Monday latest. More to follow. FG. https://t.co/DTJiDlAmyt

https://twitter.com/iammrazul/status/15 ... L1G9Q&s=19

Her header states she’s head of European sports at the Economist. Not an outlet I’d put highly on reliability scales! But I’d take Rafa in a heartbeat but can’t see it.

[daveisaclaret]

NEW: Burnley shortlist to replace Sean Dyche is down to just two names: Sam Allardyce and Rafa Benitez. Owners expect new man appointed by Monday latest. More to follow. FG. https://t.co/DTJiDlAmyt

https://twitter.com/iammrazul/status/15 ... L1G9Q&s=19

Always useful to see who will believe things posted by a parody Twitter account, I suppose.

[Silkyskills1]

I don't think anyone would argue what Cooper has done at Swansea and Forest counts as "achieved nothing" yet surely, not even on here!

He'd be great, but I just don't think he is going to come here

I'm really trying to think of who I'd like, and I'm struggling

I've got huge lists of who I don't want though!

He has done well at both clubs. No doubting that. But it's that final game/ victory that cements the word achievement in the hearts and minds of supporters. Swansea fans must have been bitterly disappointed at losing the play off final last year with the display their main gripe. Forest are close but no closer than Swansea this time last year.
Not advocating Cooper at all and as you say the list of those I don't want to see gets longer and longer.

[Swizzlestick]

It’s an Everton fan pretending to be a journalist for The Economist. Tedious.

[Gaia]

Doesn't look like a parody account to me. Didn't know The Economist did sports stuff though.

[KRBFC]

I think both Rafa and Allardyce would do a good job but just more pragmatic negative hoofball managers, us fans have been put to sleep, we need some excitement that neither of these will provide.

[Swizzlestick]

Doesn't look like a parody account to me. Didn't know The Economist did sports stuff though.

Scroll down their timeline. It’s a parody account.

[Silkyskills1]

Neither particularly exciting but I guess they are quite pragmatic and would do a job.

I feel obliged to ask what sort of 'job' you'd expect Allardyce to do.

[daveisaclaret]

Doesn't look like a parody account to me. Didn't know The Economist did sports stuff though.

It's an account that posts 20 times a day about Everton, named for a sports correspondent who doesn't exist for a paper that doesn't cover sports.

[Gaia]

Yeah there is a lot of Everton stuff on the account sorry about that.

[elwaclaret]

I remember the April fools announcing Benitez was our next manager… it was considered too outrageous to even be possible… now we on the whole shiver at the thought, how far we have come.

Not saying I want him but is John Terry not looking for a position still? Surprised he’s not been linked by the nationals.

[Stu]

I remember the April fools announcing Benitez was our next manager… it was considered too outrageous to even be possible… now we on the whole shiver at the thought, how far we have come.

Not saying I want him but is John Terry not looking for a position still? Surprised he’s not been linked by the nationals.

That’s as good a shout I’ve heard so far

[johnnyjones]

I remember the April fools announcing Benitez was our next manager… it was considered too outrageous to even be possible… now we on the whole shiver at the thought, how far we have come.

Not saying I want him but is John Terry not looking for a position still? Surprised he’s not been linked by the nationals.

Would go down well with our WLM lads

[DCWat]

Wasn’t it mentioned that we’ve sought the expertise of experienced head hunters to assist with the recruitment of the next manager? Unless they’re being utilised for a longer term appointment, and we’re bringing in an interim manager, the names being bandied about hardly suggest some specialist thinking.

[TheFamilyCat]

I remember the April fools announcing Benitez was our next manager… it was considered too outrageous to even be possible… now we on the whole shiver at the thought, how far we have come.

Not saying I want him but is John Terry not looking for a position still? Surprised he’s not been linked by the nationals.

And his old man can sell coke in the CFS

[agreenwood]

I’ll get excited or worried when a decent journalist comes out with a story.

Everything so far is pure click bait or planted to drive betting markets.

[Cleveleys_claret]

I think what is clear is that who ever the new manager is needs to fit into what ALK want. Yes they may be American, yes they may not know much about football, yes they may not how to run a football club, but it is their club now. They want someone who will say yes sir yes sir three bags full sir. They will tell the new manager what they want. Future signings profiles dictated by their model, buy young and sell at a premium. Style of play to be exciting or more so than it was before to encourage players to come that would play in a style akin to the top clubs, that way in a system that top clubs with money can look at them and say he would fit in here, whereas at present most of our players have been touted by the media and have everyone believing they can only play within one system.

I dont believe we will get anyone before Sunday, they are waiting to see if there is a chance of staying up by then or not, if we arent they can string out the appointment and really focus on what they want. If we still have a chance, ws may go for a big name like BFS for the remainder of the season hoping for a last manager bounce.

I think we go down the Director of Football route then we are looking at a Managers/Head Coach office with a revolving door, so we will end up with lots of Carvalho types of appointments who are just brought in to play to a model ALK have put in place

[Steddyman]

Why don't we stop slagging off every new manager name mentioned in the press? That way Pace doesn't have to keep interviewing them only to read this forum then close negotiations because you lot clearly know more than all his stats tell him.

I'll make an exception on BFS though. Keep slagging him off.

[RVclaret]

Nixon has updated his article on Carvahal, saying he may have An edge over other candidates as he is out of contract in the summer.

[jedi_master]

Why don't we stop slagging off every new manager name mentioned in the press? That way Pace doesn't have to keep interviewing them only to read this forum then close negotiations because you lot clearly know more than all his stats tell him.

I'll make an exception on BFS though. Keep slagging him off.

I don’t think every name has been slagged off, just preposterous ones like Carlos Carvalhal.

[Dark Cloud]

NEW: Burnley shortlist to replace Sean Dyche is down to just two names: Sam Allardyce and Rafa Benitez. Owners expect new man appointed by Monday latest. More to follow. FG. https://t.co/DTJiDlAmyt

https://twitter.com/iammrazul/status/15 ... L1G9Q&s=19

Well if it's either of those 2 the next transfer kitty will be going straight into their personal bank account, so not for me thanks.

[superdimitri]

An example of how quickly fake news takes ground..

[Dark Cloud]

NEW: Burnley shortlist to replace Sean Dyche is down to just two names: Sam Allardyce and Rafa Benitez. Owners expect new man appointed by Monday latest. More to follow. FG. https://t.co/DTJiDlAmyt

https://twitter.com/iammrazul/status/15 ... L1G9Q&s=19

Well if it's either of those 2 the next transfer kitty will be going straight into their personal bank account, so not for me thanks.

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

I don’t think every name has been slagged off, just preposterous ones like Carlos Carvalhal.

You’d have thought we’d have learnt to avoid ex Sheffield Wednesday managers!

[Silkyskills1]

Nixon has updated his article on Carvahal, saying he may have An edge over other candidates as he is out of contract in the summer.

That's damned convenient,too.

[BurnleyPaul]

Will it be a new manager or a new head coach?

If it’s the latter then I’d want a director of football appointed first…no need for ******* contests over control, roles/responsibilities etc.

[arise_sir_charge]

More evidence that Nixon often posts on the wind up as well as legit rumours.

[DCWat]

Will it be a new manager or a new head coach?

If it’s the latter then I’d want a director of football appointed first…no need for ******* contests over control, roles/responsibilities etc.

I’ve only seen one name mentioned for that position (D of F) and if the reaction from some on here, alongside his previous experience, is anything to go by, he doesn’t look to be the most inspiring of choices.

[FCBurnley]

Rafa of BFS eh ! Well Rafa was awesome at Everton right ? And BFS ! Enough said. Rather leave Jackson and Mee at the helm. Nobody knows this team better than those 2. Much improved at West Ham. Win tonight and who knows. UTC

[Newcastleclaret93]

Rafa of BFS eh ! Well Rafa was awesome at Everton right ? And BFS ! Enough said. Rather leave Jackson and Mee at the helm. Nobody knows this team better than those 2. Much improved at West Ham. Win tonight and who knows. UTC

We played some decent stuff in the first half. But fundamentally we should have lost. Pope had to make 3 world class saves just to keep us in it. The defence was all over the place in the second half.

Let’s hope he’s tightened us up for tonight.

[gandhisflipflop]

We played some decent stuff in the first half. But fundamentally we should have lost. Pope had to make 3 world class saves just to keep us in it. The defence was all over the place in the second half.

Let’s hope he’s tightened us up for tonight.

We should have gone 2-0 up, which would have changed the game

[RVclaret]

We played some decent stuff in the first half. But fundamentally we should have lost. Pope had to make 3 world class saves just to keep us in it. The defence was all over the place in the second half.

Let’s hope he’s tightened us up for tonight.

To be fair, they had literally one day to work with the team prior to West Ham, the Friday Dyche was sacked. Maybe we see a bit more of his influence tonight. The Pope save from Diop was from a set piece, as were a number of their chances aside from Antonio. Jay Rod had a good a chance as any from Cornet's pull back which went just wide.

[Newcastleclaret93]

We should have gone 2-0 up, which would have changed the game

I suspect West Ham would have still come back. As I said they destroyed us in that second half.

Let’s all just be reasonable. The first half we were half decent, the second half we imploded and pope was world class.

We can’t play like that tonight.