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Re: James Tarkowski

Post by bobinho » Sun Apr 24, 2022 10:13 pm

taio wrote:
Sun Apr 24, 2022 10:04 pm
I think you need to go to bed. You disputed the view that people questioned his commitment. You question his commitment. Priceless.
What’s so hard to understand here? Course I question his commitment.

His commitment to the club is clear. He doesn’t have any. If he had, he’d sign. He hasn't signed. Zero commitment. None. Because of that, as soon as Collins came in, idve benched him. If you disagree with that, fair enough. He’s playing well, but he’s playing for a contract elsewhere, and him doing well for us increases his chances of getting a good club and a good wage…. Don’t confuse that with him being committed to us.

We just didn’t know what we were gonna get when it became apparent he wasn’t staying. Turns out, we got a good final season (so far) and he’s stepped up brilliantly as a captain in place of Mee…. But committed? Nope. He’s playing well and whilst we benefit in the short term, James Tarkowski is doing himself a favour.

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Re: James Tarkowski

Post by boatshed bill » Sun Apr 24, 2022 10:17 pm

;) Some people really struggle to "enjoy the moment"

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Re: James Tarkowski

Post by FeedTheArf » Sun Apr 24, 2022 10:39 pm

I remember how mad I was when he did the interview basically saying he was leaving at the end of his contract to take back control.

But after how he’s performed this season I can’t fault him and wouldn’t begrudge him his move. A model professional.

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Re: James Tarkowski

Post by Rileybobs » Sun Apr 24, 2022 11:34 pm

Of course Tarkowski is committed to the club. How can anyone watch his performances and think otherwise.

I had a bit of a wobble during the Soton away game where his silly Cruyff turn cost us a goal, but since then he’s been practically flawless. And at no time should we ever have considered dropping him. He’s a cut above and for me the best player at the club, it will be sad to see him leave.

Noticeable how he seems to have taken more of a leadership role on the pitch. This was very clear in the Soton game, and today he appeared to gesture to the bench when it was the right time to make the Lennon change, which was pre-planned.

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Re: James Tarkowski

Post by St Austell Claret » Sun Apr 24, 2022 11:43 pm

Ben mee. That's why

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Re: James Tarkowski

Post by Lancasterclaret » Mon Apr 25, 2022 7:38 am

bobinho wrote:
Sun Apr 24, 2022 10:13 pm
What’s so hard to understand here? Course I question his commitment.

His commitment to the club is clear. He doesn’t have any. If he had, he’d sign. He hasn't signed. Zero commitment. None. Because of that, as soon as Collins came in, idve benched him. If you disagree with that, fair enough. He’s playing well, but he’s playing for a contract elsewhere, and him doing well for us increases his chances of getting a good club and a good wage…. Don’t confuse that with him being committed to us.

We just didn’t know what we were gonna get when it became apparent he wasn’t staying. Turns out, we got a good final season (so far) and he’s stepped up brilliantly as a captain in place of Mee…. But committed? Nope. He’s playing well and whilst we benefit in the short term, James Tarkowski is doing himself a favour.
I'm struggling to think of any circumstances that I'd bench our best player

Nope, there isn't any
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Re: James Tarkowski

Post by SydneyClaret » Mon Apr 25, 2022 7:57 am

I believe he’s going to see what division we’re in, who’s in charge and what investment takes place. His European ambitions took a huge dent the other season and he’s rightly been upset since. If it’s all positive and the right money is offered he will stay.
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Re: James Tarkowski

Post by ashtonlongsider » Mon Apr 25, 2022 8:54 am

I've been watching the Clarets for over 60 years and for me he is our greatest ever CD in that time. He's been unbelievable, more so this season given that he intends leaving at the end of this campaign.
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Re: James Tarkowski

Post by Ric_C » Mon Apr 25, 2022 11:36 am

Think he'll end up at Newcastle unfortunately. I wouldn't blame him, he's been a great servant.

The only small chance of him staying woul be if we stayed up, got an exciting manager and Pace offered him a really good contract, with a vision of us signing a few upgrades next season.

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Re: James Tarkowski

Post by IanMcL » Mon Apr 25, 2022 11:37 am

His marshaling and encouraging were to the forefront yesterday.

His awareness and interceptions/covering, supreme.

Player of the season.

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Re: James Tarkowski

Post by Blakesboots » Mon Apr 25, 2022 11:40 am

bobinho wrote:
Sun Apr 24, 2022 10:13 pm
What’s so hard to understand here? Course I question his commitment.

His commitment to the club is clear. He doesn’t have any. If he had, he’d sign. He hasn't signed. Zero commitment. None. Because of that, as soon as Collins came in, idve benched him. If you disagree with that, fair enough. He’s playing well, but he’s playing for a contract elsewhere, and him doing well for us increases his chances of getting a good club and a good wage…. Don’t confuse that with him being committed to us.

We just didn’t know what we were gonna get when it became apparent he wasn’t staying. Turns out, we got a good final season (so far) and he’s stepped up brilliantly as a captain in place of Mee…. But committed? Nope. He’s playing well and whilst we benefit in the short term, James Tarkowski is doing himself a favour.
That’s enough internet for you
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Re: James Tarkowski

Post by Blakesboots » Mon Apr 25, 2022 11:43 am

SydneyClaret wrote:
Mon Apr 25, 2022 7:57 am
I believe he’s going to see what division we’re in, who’s in charge and what investment takes place. His European ambitions took a huge dent the other season and he’s rightly been upset since. If it’s all positive and the right money is offered he will stay.
As much as I’d love to see this, the moneys just to good rise where. Never say never though, I’m sure the offers being made are very attractive!

Look at Rudiger, you can have everything and still want more for your career!

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Re: James Tarkowski

Post by boyyanno » Mon Apr 25, 2022 11:45 am

bobinho wrote:
Sun Apr 24, 2022 10:13 pm
What’s so hard to understand here? Course I question his commitment.

His commitment to the club is clear. He doesn’t have any. If he had, he’d sign. He hasn't signed. Zero commitment. None. Because of that, as soon as Collins came in, idve benched him. If you disagree with that, fair enough. He’s playing well, but he’s playing for a contract elsewhere, and him doing well for us increases his chances of getting a good club and a good wage…. Don’t confuse that with him being committed to us.

We just didn’t know what we were gonna get when it became apparent he wasn’t staying. Turns out, we got a good final season (so far) and he’s stepped up brilliantly as a captain in place of Mee…. But committed? Nope. He’s playing well and whilst we benefit in the short term, James Tarkowski is doing himself a favour.
Absolute nonsense. He hasn't committed for a further few years but he's certainly shown he's committed to our cause until at least the end of the season.
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Re: James Tarkowski

Post by warksclaret » Mon Apr 25, 2022 11:50 am

I have not given up hope of him staying if we remain in the PL under a new team management

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Re: James Tarkowski

Post by quoonbeatz » Mon Apr 25, 2022 12:18 pm

He's the best centre half I've ever seen play for Burnley. He's 100% committed, there's no doubt about that. That said, Collins has the potential to be as good if not better.

Will be interesting to see where Tarkowski goes next. Probably doesn't want to move too far away. Old Trafford would be ideal for both parties imo.

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Re: James Tarkowski

Post by Stayingup » Mon Apr 25, 2022 12:26 pm

fatboy47 wrote:
Sun Apr 24, 2022 9:10 pm
Alternatively he may feel sitting on a top six club's bench may be the last way to achieve this.
Why would he sit on the bench? He's a top, top defender. Mings? Maguire? They are just as not as good at defending as Tarks is.

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Re: James Tarkowski

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Mon Apr 25, 2022 12:29 pm

I’d be very surprised if he went to Man United.
Newcastle or Leicester would be my guess.

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Re: James Tarkowski

Post by Darthlaw » Mon Apr 25, 2022 12:38 pm

I’d be astounded if he went to Man U.

He has the quality but not the superstar reputation, which is polar opposite to their recruitment policy.
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Re: James Tarkowski

Post by Conroy92 » Mon Apr 25, 2022 12:43 pm

I hope in the event of us staying up we have already lined up and had talks of a bigger contract and signing on bonus of a few million to keep him here.
Tarks and Collins could be the best centre half partnership outside the top 4.
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Re: James Tarkowski

Post by fatboy47 » Mon Apr 25, 2022 12:49 pm

Stayingup wrote:
Mon Apr 25, 2022 12:26 pm
Why would he sit on the bench? He's a top, top defender. Mings? Maguire? They are just as not as good at defending as Tarks is.

Can you let Southgate know.

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Re: James Tarkowski

Post by clarethomer » Mon Apr 25, 2022 12:58 pm

Talks for me is a top class defender but the issue for Talks is that many managers see how well the defence works as a unit because of the defending done in front of the defence and the fact we haven't over the last several years played a style that the top 6 play to.

It would be interesting to see how well he played in a back 3 for example or for a team that is expected to play out from the back and I think that has impeded his ability to progress in the England set up - I think Pope in last few games has shown he has better distribution in him and that probably gives Southgate more food for thought.

I think there is little to no chance but if we did get a manager coming in who was looking to implement a different style of play and we remain in the PL - I would love to see him here next year with a renewed contract that still potentially gave him an exit to the right clubs if they were interested. Can't see it happening though as its not how it works in reality.

That said, his commitment to this season is unquestionable in my opinion and I am relaxed given the understudy of Collins has proven he is probably going to be even better than Tarks over time gives me some peace of mind knowing that we can rely on for next season.

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Re: James Tarkowski

Post by Lowbankclaret » Mon Apr 25, 2022 1:31 pm

DCWat wrote:
Sun Apr 24, 2022 9:15 pm
It could have been his circumstances at the time that influenced his actions. Whatever his reason(s) there is no questioning his commitment to the cause.

He’s a Rolls Royce of a player for us - I’ll be gutted to see him leave and just hope that he gets the right move and the opportunities, wherever that may be.
I will be honest, I thought and said we should sell him in Jan, however he has performed tremendously and proved me wrong in the last few games.

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Re: James Tarkowski

Post by Jambo » Mon Apr 25, 2022 1:41 pm

Suggest anyone doubting Tarkowski's commitment actually thinks about watching the lad play football. If we stay up, few will have made a contribution as large as Tarks. Maybe if we get a manager who wants to play football he could still be persuaded to stay?

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Re: James Tarkowski

Post by taio » Mon Apr 25, 2022 1:53 pm

Jambo wrote:
Mon Apr 25, 2022 1:41 pm
Suggest anyone doubting Tarkowski's commitment actually thinks about watching the lad play football. If we stay up, few will have made a contribution as large as Tarks. Maybe if we get a manager who wants to play football he could still be persuaded to stay?
Agreed. I'd perhaps go further and say no other player will have contributed more. Player of the season for me. Thanks to his herculean efforts...and commitment.

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Re: James Tarkowski

Post by Darnhill Claret » Mon Apr 25, 2022 2:00 pm

The thing I particularly like about Tarks at the moment is that he seems to have rediscovered his positivity. His occasional mistakes usually happen on the few occasions when he hesitates or changes his mind. When he is totally focused and in the zone, he is different class.

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Re: James Tarkowski

Post by IanMcL » Mon Apr 25, 2022 2:21 pm

Bordeauxclaret wrote:
Mon Apr 25, 2022 12:29 pm
I’d be very surprised if he went to Man United.
Newcastle or Leicester would be my guess.
Aston Villa looking for a captain.

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Re: James Tarkowski

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Mon Apr 25, 2022 3:02 pm

IanMcL wrote:
Mon Apr 25, 2022 2:21 pm
Aston Villa looking for a captain.
He’s certainly better than Mings.

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Re: James Tarkowski

Post by Blakesboots » Mon Apr 25, 2022 3:07 pm

quoonbeatz wrote:
Mon Apr 25, 2022 12:18 pm
He's the best centre half I've ever seen play for Burnley. He's 100% committed, there's no doubt about that. That said, Collins has the potential to be as good if not better.

Will be interesting to see where Tarkowski goes next. Probably doesn't want to move too far away. Old Trafford would be ideal for both parties imo.
Wrong person, Collins is destined to grace that shirt in the next few years.

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Re: James Tarkowski

Post by jrgbfc » Mon Apr 25, 2022 3:10 pm

Bordeauxclaret wrote:
Mon Apr 25, 2022 12:29 pm
I’d be very surprised if he went to Man United.
Newcastle or Leicester would be my guess.
Or West Ham.

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Re: James Tarkowski

Post by quoonbeatz » Mon Apr 25, 2022 4:06 pm

I don't think he will actually go to utd by the way, just making the point that they'd be missing a trick by not snapping him up on a free and that he'd definitely be up for going there.

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Re: James Tarkowski

Post by ClaretTony » Mon Apr 25, 2022 4:12 pm

I wasn’t so sure at first and had concerns when he replaced Michael Keane. He’s shoved those concerns down my throat time and time again. He’s been outstanding for us.

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Re: James Tarkowski

Post by DCWat » Mon Apr 25, 2022 4:31 pm

Blakesboots wrote:
Mon Apr 25, 2022 3:07 pm
Wrong person, Collins is destined to grace that shirt in the next few years.
You’ve mentioned that a few times - was it you that suggested a deal was already in place for him to go to Man United?

As for Tarkowski not showing commitment because he’s not signed a contract, as a was suggested further up the thread, that’s just nonsense.

He’s shown time and again that he committed to the cause - you only need to watch his reactions to the goals we score, blocked attempts by colleagues and celebrations at victories.

Because he may hope to play in Europe, perhaps win a trophy or possibly get to the Wold Cup, who are we to begrudge him that if he sees a better opportunity to achieve that elsewhere. I certainly won’t be questioning his commitment because he has some ambition.

Even if it’s all about money, which I’m not convinced it is, he’s fulfilled contract and owes us nothing.

I want us to have a team full of players that may be looking to move on to a bigger club. If we’ve got that we are doing something right and should just enjoy having such players whilst they are with us.

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Re: James Tarkowski

Post by boyyanno » Mon Apr 25, 2022 4:43 pm

DCWat wrote:
Mon Apr 25, 2022 4:31 pm
You’ve mentioned that a few times - was it you that suggested a deal was already in place for him to go to Man United?

As for Tarkowski not showing commitment because he’s not signed a contract, as a was suggested further up the thread, that’s just nonsense.

He’s shown time and again that he committed to the cause - you only need to watch his reactions to the goals we score, blocked attempts by colleagues and celebrations at victories.

Because he may hope to play in Europe, perhaps win a trophy or possibly get to the Wold Cup, who are we to begrudge him that if he sees a better opportunity to achieve that elsewhere. I certainly won’t be questioning his commitment because he has some ambition.

Even if it’s all about money, which I’m not convinced it is, he’s fulfilled contract and owes us nothing.

I want us to have a team full of players that may be looking to move on to a bigger club. If we’ve got that we are doing something right and should just enjoy having such players whilst they are with us.
Completely agree with this, I also think it's telling that as fans the majority of us want to see him get the move he deserves- that's testimony to just how good, committed and professional he's been.

Keep us in the league Tarks and then go to a big club, you've earned the chance imo.
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Re: James Tarkowski

Post by mdd2 » Mon Apr 25, 2022 5:40 pm

I well remember when Michael Keane left for Everton the number of posters on here saying Tarks wasn't good enough. Glad I was not one of those and thought he was a slot in for MK and presently a better centre back.

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Re: James Tarkowski

Post by Blakesboots » Mon Apr 25, 2022 5:58 pm

DCWat wrote:
Mon Apr 25, 2022 4:31 pm
You’ve mentioned that a few times - was it you that suggested a deal was already in place for him to go to Man United?

As for Tarkowski not showing commitment because he’s not signed a contract, as a was suggested further up the thread, that’s just nonsense.

He’s shown time and again that he committed to the cause - you only need to watch his reactions to the goals we score, blocked attempts by colleagues and celebrations at victories.

Because he may hope to play in Europe, perhaps win a trophy or possibly get to the Wold Cup, who are we to begrudge him that if he sees a better opportunity to achieve that elsewhere. I certainly won’t be questioning his commitment because he has some ambition.

Even if it’s all about money, which I’m not convinced it is, he’s fulfilled contract and owes us nothing.

I want us to have a team full of players that may be looking to move on to a bigger club. If we’ve got that we are doing something right and should just enjoy having such players whilst they are with us.
A deal would stretch it but yes I believe that Manchester United will be following his progress with Burnley in the premier league very closely.

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Re: James Tarkowski

Post by DCWat » Mon Apr 25, 2022 5:59 pm

Blakesboots wrote:
Mon Apr 25, 2022 5:58 pm
A deal would stretch it but yes I believe that Manchester United will be following his progress with Burnley in the premier league very closely.
I’d expect a few to be, based on his performances and development so far.

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Re: James Tarkowski

Post by Blakesboots » Mon Apr 25, 2022 6:01 pm

DCWat wrote:
Mon Apr 25, 2022 5:59 pm
I’d expect a few to be, based on his performances and development so far.
So would I, but I think there’s always been a steady red hand on his shoulder guiding him.

Go to Burnley, do well, and we will come and get you kind of guidance.

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Re: James Tarkowski

Post by Andreshotboots » Mon Apr 25, 2022 6:05 pm

Wonderful player who gives everything despite his time with us coming to an end. Hope he gets a deserved move to a "bigger club"..

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Re: James Tarkowski

Post by warksclaret » Mon Apr 25, 2022 6:06 pm

I think he may go to Leicester, who are blessed with full backs but insufficient cover at CH. They are usually active in cups and could win their Europa competition so lots of games, and he would be a great replacement for Johnie Evans who is close to retiring and rather injury prone now. JT and Forfana would be some pairing, and when they play 3 at the back the addition of Syoncu would give it a solid back 3

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