Should Pope Go

warksclaret · Post by **warksclaret** » Tue May 24, 2022 5:31 pm

Should Nick move and I am certain most clarets would not begrudge him doing so after how he has performed, two very good keepers for the championship-Sam Johnston of WBA and Ben Foster of Watford. Both are high quality and free agents-would allow us to sell Peacock Farrell. A good keeper is a great start in rebuilding

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Tue May 24, 2022 5:33 pm

warksclaret wrote: ↑
Tue May 24, 2022 5:31 pm
Should Nick move and I am certain most clarets would not begrudge him doing so after how he has performed, two very good keepers for the championship-Sam Johnston of WBA and Ben Foster of Watford. Both are high quality and free agents-would allow us to sell Peacock Farrell. A good keeper is a great start in rebuilding

Would we get much for BPF?

jedi_master · Post by **jedi_master** » Tue May 24, 2022 5:37 pm

I think Hennessey is an absolutely fine number one in the Championship personally.

jdrobbo · Post by **jdrobbo** » Tue May 24, 2022 5:38 pm

I hate to say it but yes, Pope should go right now whilst his stock is high, whilst he’s in fantastic form and in the England squad. He’s finished the season superbly and we should get £25 million comfortably for him. One thing I’ve grown to realise in recent years is that we’re probably too attached to our players (had we sold Tarky and McNeil 18 months ago, we’d probably be no worse off but in a much stronger financial position).

I also think that right now, if this did happen, we shouldn’t prioritise a new number one for a fee, unless we can tempt someone to join on a free. Wayne Hennessey would be a very good number one at championship level and our priority should be building a rock solid defence in front of him. Build the wall and the rest will take care of itself.

Right now, Pope, sadly, is key to paying off a big slab of debt and at a league lower, I think we can afford to lose him, as sad as I am about that.

Milltown1882 · Post by **Milltown1882** » Tue May 24, 2022 5:50 pm

Agree on Foster and Johnstone but Hennessey is more than suitable backup. Spurs signing Forster and West Ham signing Areola permanently already ticks off 2 of the potential destinations for Pope.

boyyanno · Post by **boyyanno** » Tue May 24, 2022 5:51 pm

Similar to when Tripper went for me, Pope has been amazing for us, deserves to be playing at a higher level and would go with my blessing.

Hopefully unlike Tripps we get what he's actually worth though. 25-30 Million would be a good deal. He's 30 otherwise I'd want nearer 40.

Literally any combination of Foster, Johnstone,
Hennessey and then BPF as back up would be more than adequate I think. I'd even have Heaton back with Hennessey as a back up. Despite how good our goalkeepers have been in recent times I think this is one of the easiest positions for us to solve.

Just one word of caution though, I agreed with another poster on a different thread about us signing a young counterpart to any older player we sign. So I'd be either advocating BPF staying (assuming we think he can still improve), or getting a younger keeper to be back up if we went for any of the names above.

bumba · Post by **bumba** » Tue May 24, 2022 6:00 pm

Personally don't see us even needing to waste money on another GK, sell Pope with our blessing but we've still got three goalkeepers good enough for the championship without wasting money, that can be strengthened if we regain promotion.
If Mee signs I don't think we need another centre half, right back is sorted, we need backup left back if Pieters goes.
I'd tie Barnes down and have JRod Barnes Wout and Richardson as our strikers. It'd be midfield that needs sorting

Burnley1989 · Post by **Burnley1989** » Tue May 24, 2022 6:03 pm

Yeah, he should

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Tue May 24, 2022 6:05 pm

WH will be perfectly adequate for the Championship.
We'll need any spare cash for other positions.

KLClaret · Post by **KLClaret** » Tue May 24, 2022 6:07 pm

For a tall,lanky lad he's got arms of steel. Best keeper I've seen for us. Good luck wherever he ends up. Thanks Nick

Andreshotboots · Post by **Andreshotboots** » Tue May 24, 2022 6:25 pm

As silly as it sounds if he leaves it could harm his England chances if he's sat on a bench somewhere. At least with us he's playing every week and Southgate can assess his form.

He's shown he's prepared to pick championship players if they're good enough. The major thing for NP would be the financial rewards from a move, so if he goes all the best to the lad..he deserves a good move..

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Tue May 24, 2022 6:29 pm

Nick for Burnley

warksclaret · Post by **warksclaret** » Tue May 24, 2022 6:31 pm

Milltown1882 wrote: ↑
Tue May 24, 2022 5:50 pm
Agree on Foster and Johnstone but Hennessey is more than suitable backup. Spurs signing Forster and West Ham signing Areola permanently already ticks off 2 of the potential destinations for Pope.

No substitute for competition. Yes Hennessy is good but to have two fighting for the shirt is how it should be.We have seen too little of it in our club

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Tue May 24, 2022 6:34 pm

Think it is extremely likely he we move back to the Premier this close season, but it may be that he is willing to give it a year to see if we can bounce back before the next international tournament. Obviously Pope would be major plus for any incoming manager.

yTib · Post by **yTib** » Tue May 24, 2022 6:35 pm

far too good for the second tier.

he should go and good luck to him.

warksclaret · Post by **warksclaret** » Tue May 24, 2022 6:40 pm

Rest assured that a few clubs with their players in the England camp will be getting these players to sound out Pope

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Tue May 24, 2022 6:49 pm

Unfortunately yes, for himself.
Playing for a bigger club will probably get him the England no1 shirt.
He's in fantastic form at the minute, so personally I wouldn't entertain any bargain hunters. He is worth top dollar, and unless we are offered that, then any potential move should be laughed at.

warksclaret · Post by **warksclaret** » Tue May 24, 2022 6:54 pm

For those readers that feel just Hennessy is sufficeint in the second tier both Heaton and Pope got bad shoulder injuries at the start of respective seasons and were out for the majority of the season. Peacock Farrell just not good enough-my neighbour is a Wednesday fan who s home and away, says he started off well, but then made some big clangers including the key play offs

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Tue May 24, 2022 7:01 pm

We should never have let Billy Mercer go.

Am I right that SD inherited him, he didn’t bring him to the club?

Dark Cloud · Post by **Dark Cloud** » Tue May 24, 2022 7:01 pm

If I was Pope I know exactly what I'd be doing. He's an England International and wants to push his claims to that spot, plus he's up there with the best keepers in the PL (notwithstanding his dodgy kicking). To not just further his career, but to simply keep it at the level he's worked so hard to reach, he really HAS to move. It's a no brainer tbh and the club will actually benefit handsomely BTW.

SalisburyClaret · Post by **SalisburyClaret** » Tue May 24, 2022 7:06 pm

Doesn’t matter if he moves or not - Gareth will not pick him ahead of Pickford.
He probably hasn’t tested either of them in sweat tents yet which tells you everything you need to know about our preparation for the WC

BurnleyFC · Post by **BurnleyFC** » Tue May 24, 2022 7:09 pm

He 100% deserves a move to a top half club.

SouthLondonexile · Post by **SouthLondonexile** » Tue May 24, 2022 7:23 pm

For me Pope is the best goalkeeper in England.
Sky’s the limit .should he go - rather he didn’t but he will be a great asset anywhere - except Everton

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Tue May 24, 2022 7:27 pm

we should bring Billy Mercer back. Huge mistake potting him

Woodleyclaret · Post by **Woodleyclaret** » Tue May 24, 2022 7:37 pm

Nick should stay and be part of our Championship winning side next season
Didn't Billy walk out with Sean.

beddie · Post by **beddie** » Tue May 24, 2022 7:47 pm

He’s not going to be hanging around if he doesn’t have to, especially with England in mind. There’ll be offers very soon I’m sure.

Tribesmen · Post by **Tribesmen** » Tue May 24, 2022 7:49 pm

Yer , i hate to say it

burnleymik · Post by **burnleymik** » Tue May 24, 2022 7:57 pm

He's too good for the Championship. Deserves to be playing top level football. Been awesome for us and I wish him all the best.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Tue May 24, 2022 7:57 pm

Be surprised if Pope doesn't go, but if he does we should be holding out for a good fee, £25m at least, England squad member just like Ramsdale, and he went for about £30m I think with potential add-on's I believe.

Wherever Nick ends up he'll go with all our best wishes as he's been tremendous throughout his Clarets career, however he deserves to be playing PL football, and alas we can't offer him that at present.

jdrobbo · Post by **jdrobbo** » Tue May 24, 2022 8:06 pm

Just a wild thought….

Kompany-manager
Defour-coach
Mee- new deal
Heaton-(gk coach)

warksclaret · Post by **warksclaret** » Tue May 24, 2022 8:31 pm

Colburn_Claret wrote: ↑
Tue May 24, 2022 7:01 pm
We should never have let Billy Mercer go.

Am I right that SD inherited him, he didn’t bring him to the club?

Have a feeling Brian Laws recruited him and he has stayed ever since. Can remember him warming up Jensen & Grant

Fretters · Post by **Fretters** » Tue May 24, 2022 8:49 pm

warksclaret wrote: ↑
Tue May 24, 2022 8:31 pm
Have a feeling Brian Laws recruited him and he has stayed ever since. Can remember him warming up Jensen & Grant

That's right, Laws brought him in.

jetblackcat · Post by **jetblackcat** » Tue May 24, 2022 11:10 pm

That's right, Laws brought him in.
He was already well acquainted with SD from their years together at Chesterfield.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Tue May 24, 2022 11:12 pm

Which PL clubs will be looking for a new keeper where Pope would replace the current number one?

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Tue May 24, 2022 11:23 pm

jdrobbo wrote: ↑
Tue May 24, 2022 8:06 pm
Just a wild thought….

Kompany-manager
Defour-coach
Mee- new deal
Heaton-(gk coach)

Dream team

I'd buy that for a dollar

Jambo · Post by **Jambo** » Wed May 25, 2022 11:42 am

Spijed wrote: ↑
Tue May 24, 2022 11:12 pm
Which PL clubs will be looking for a new keeper where Pope would replace the current number one?

This is the key question really. Then you've got to add in that the team can't want or need a goalkeeper who is great on the ball, and are happy to spend upwards of £20m on a 30-year-old goalkeeper. Nobody is going to pay that for a number two either. Pope is brilliant but I'm not sure the market for him will be huge.

As a pure shot-stopper Pope is one of the best in the country but the way the game is going, many managers would rather have a goalkeeper who is good on the ball rather than good at keeping the ball out of his net. Weird, for me, but Pope would need to improve a lot with his kicking to play that sort of role without being a bit of a liability.

I think Newcastle would be a good move but they seem to be after Henderson instead.

SydneyClaret · Post by **SydneyClaret** » Wed May 25, 2022 12:02 pm

He could go to Everton. Become their number 1 over Pickford and Southgate would still pick Pickford for England.

JR1882 · Post by **JR1882** » Wed May 25, 2022 5:06 pm

Spurs - Loris getting on now.
Leicester - as above for Kasper

Palace - better than what they have
Saints - as above
Fulham - as above

BabylonClaret · Post by **BabylonClaret** » Wed May 25, 2022 5:35 pm

JR1882 wrote: ↑
Wed May 25, 2022 5:06 pm
Spurs - Loris getting on now.
Leicester - as above for Kasper

Palace - better than what they have
Saints - as above
Fulham - as above

But as Jambo says would they want to pay 25 to 30 m for an upgrade (which might be relatively smallish) when they might need to spend elsewhere.

Plus now Kompany seems to be on board do you think Nuck might fancy hanging around?

Conroy92 · Post by **Conroy92** » Wed May 25, 2022 5:45 pm

A few months ago when it was first rumoured 20m to Fulham should we be relegated, I'd have taken that. His performances over the past few months have made me reconsider that fee to a minimum of 30m and I still think someone's gonna get a good deal at that!

Commy · Post by **Commy** » Wed May 25, 2022 8:53 pm

Merson is telling Newcastle to sign him and that he would pay £40 mil for him as he's that good.

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Wed May 25, 2022 9:36 pm

BabylonClaret wrote: ↑
Wed May 25, 2022 5:35 pm

Plus now Kompany seems to be on board do you think Nick might fancy hanging around?

Not if he still wants to play for England, won't get picked in the Championship, needs top flight footie for the national squad.

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Wed May 25, 2022 9:39 pm

Commy wrote: ↑
Wed May 25, 2022 8:53 pm
Merson is telling Newcastle to sign him and that he would pay £40 mil for him as he's that good.

They absolutely should. He’d be an excellent signing for them.

Wokingclaret · Post by **Wokingclaret** » Wed May 25, 2022 9:45 pm

Yes, but will miss you big fella

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Wed May 25, 2022 9:49 pm

He's our best keeper over the last 40 years but should be the first one to sell if we can? He's at his best making save after save.
We won't be needing that in the championship.

One sale of 30m plus should be all that's needed to pay debts and have a little transfer fund.

If he stays, he will be great and much needed for when we go back up.

Awayfromburnley · Post by **Awayfromburnley** » Thu May 26, 2022 6:42 am

I have a sneaky feeling he may stay.

12 months left on his contract he could get a guaranteed pay day next year in a free.

He isn't ousting the England Hollywood keepers that Southgate likes.

He has saved us about 21 points minimum this season, imagine in the Championship!

Stalbansclaret · Post by **Stalbansclaret** » Thu May 26, 2022 7:20 am

Absolutely brilliant goalkeeper who deserves to play at the very highest level so I'm resigned to him going, as much as I love seeing him between the posts for us. I would think that selling him is also the easiest way of dealing with making the necessary partial repayment of the £65M loan.

BFC123 · Post by **BFC123** » Thu May 26, 2022 7:23 am

Awayfromburnley wrote: ↑
Thu May 26, 2022 6:42 am
I have a sneaky feeling he may stay.

12 months left on his contract he could get a guaranteed pay day next year in a free.

He isn't ousting the England Hollywood keepers that Southgate likes.

He has saved us about 21 points minimum this season, imagine in the Championship!

We have an option to extend his contract by 12 months, so he’s effectively got 2 years left on his contract.

AwayClaret · Post by **AwayClaret** » Thu May 26, 2022 9:50 am

Will cost around £40m to get Pope is being reported.

ClaretPete001 · Post by **ClaretPete001** » Thu May 26, 2022 10:05 am

BFC123 wrote: ↑
Thu May 26, 2022 7:23 am
We have an option to extend his contract by 12 months, so he’s effectively got 2 years left on his contract.

And if the rumours are true he is about to face a 50 per cent pay cut and the club need the money.

He will go whether he wants to or otherwise.

He's been brilliant for us.