Flying banner at Etihad stopping investment?

[Lancasterclaret]

I get that you can be appalled at the banner but it's a couple of years ago now.

I'm more talking about the crap pedalled of people won't invest in the club because of it.

Oh?

I'm sure its not a reason for many to invest (as we are Burnley and we know what we are) , but I'm also sure its having an effect

Do you really think that a couple of years means that the people who backed that banner have changed their views?

[elwaclaret]

Oh?

I'm sure its not a reason for many to invest (as we are Burnley and we know what we are) , but I'm also sure its having an effect

Do you really think that a couple of years means that the people who backed that banner have changed their views?

Unfortunately, those looking for a scapegoat for the problems are often the same people who are ready to jump onto anyone seeming to offer the best argument. The towns domination of the “most deprived” area statistics of the time was what led the BNP to spout their poison, on fertile ground. How many of those voters have engaged with politics or listened since, who has championed the town to any major degree since Peter Pike ?

[tiger76]

FAO elwa - surely 2009 was the last BNP councillor, not the first?

When mentioning BNP councillors, I find it relevant to put it in context. The Conservatives were anathema, the Liberals scarcely existed, and the Labour party had voted against the motion that gross indecency in a public park was inappropriate behaviour for a councillor. There was a lot more to it than just supporting the BNP. There was a high degree of protest vote.

Indeed there no doubt was, as happened in other places as well, and Stoke for example had a number of BNP councillors, yet that didn't seem to deter the Coates family from investing fortunes into them did it.

Of course image will play a role in whether investors feel their interests are best served or not by buying into BFC, but ultimately for most it's whether they'll think they can make a return on that said investment or not that will probably be the deciding factor.

And sadly if we were struggling to attract investment when in the PL, then I fear we'll find it even tougher now we're in the Championship.

That said incidents like the banner, and the 2 guys making Nazi salutes at Spurs, definitely don't help our cause in selling the club I'm afraid.

It may well be a small minority of fans, but rightly or wrongly it portrays us all in a bad light fair or not.

[dsr]

The last BNP Borough Councillor lost their seat in the 2012 election.

Yes. I think the last one that won a borough council seat was in 2008, the one that you mention was the last survivor until it lost its seat in 2012.

[timshorts]

What is slightly illogical about the mail story is that the US is still fairly full of Donald fans, and they generally don't support black lives matter. They seem rather more keen on kitting out teachers with an armoury of guns atm, because that will help reduce gun crime, won't it.

[fatboy47]

Did it buggery as like stop investment.

[Blakesboots]

If one person on your street f**ks sheep on their front lawn.
Someone not wanting to buy a house on that street doesn't mean they think everyone on that street f**ks sheep.
Just one is enough.

Sadly this still echos globally. A global market that is under pressure to demonstrate its commitment to initiatives that support marginalised communities.

Its not a million miles away from the difficulties faced.

[bfcjg]

Investors want a return on their money , they don't give a crap about anything else, look at the guy we owe money to he invested thanks to our American owners knowing all about our so called racist club, the reason no other investors will come in is because we haven't got a pot to p1ss in when we have paid off our American investor.
All towns have racist elements ours town is no different however trash like the Mail keep the story going. More ethnic minority fans are evident on the Turf but that isn't the story the Mail want to push.
When we played West Ham at the Turf I was stunned by the anti Jewish sentiment and chanting by a large group of young West Ham fans walking to the ground, but they are media darlings so it is just good old harmless cockney banter aimed at Spurs supporters .

[Volvoclaret]

Sorry to correct you Elwa, but Prestige didn't make furniture, they made kitchenailia. Also G plan were in Nelson.

[aggi]

It's undoubtedly something that people remember and associate with Burnley. There were lots of references to it when people were discussing what side they wanted to go down during the relegation battle.

Whether or not it killed investment, who knows. It would definitely come up during due diligence though and it wouldn't be a plus point.

[elwaclaret]

Sorry to correct you Elwa, but Prestige didn't make furniture, they made kitchenailia. Also G plan were in Nelson.

Thanks Volvo, I did think Prestige were kitchen’s, but are quoted in the research as furniture, I’ll look again at that to check. I remember visiting G-Plans factory, it was impressively massive - but qualifies as “Burnley” district for the purpose of the article, though I could alter it for Nelson nr. Burnley - I’m not sure it would clarify or confuse people from outside the area. Nelson is often referred to nationally as “Burnley” unlike Rossendale that has a distinct, recognised ‘label’… ‘the English Valleys’, quite separate from Burnley.

I did a peace on early Methodism (1740’s) that had to differentiate between Marsden and Nelson, it did not half confuse people from outside the district.

[Volvoclaret]

Understand re Nelson/Burnley. Yes Prestige made cutlery, pots and pans in Burnley whilst Prestige Accrington made carpet sweepers, the famous Ewbank.
I would add that after the textile industry collapsed Burnley became a hive of light engineering with Companies such as Burnley Aircraft, Burco, W H Dean, Mal Tool, Tennaco and many, many more.

[Paul Waine]

Last weekend, before all the Premier League games kicked off, I read some comments on Times on Line about which team, Leeds or Burnley, people would like to see relegated. There was one comment I read that made the "racist club" claim. He knew that we had Dwight McNeil, Aaron Lennon and Maxwel Cornet in the first team squad, but he said that the average Premier League club had 8 non-whites in their squads. Burnley had less than the average number... He also made mention of the Man City banner.

Good reputations and negative reputations can both stick. Little things can reinforce and refresh either negative or positive perceptions.

Be great to be able to show that Burnley and Burnley fans deserve good reputations and that we welcome diversity, equity and inclusion.

UTC

[gandhisflipflop]

Last weekend, before all the Premier League games kicked off, I read some comments on Times on Line about which team, Leeds or Burnley, people would like to see relegated. There was one comment I read that made the "racist club" claim. He knew that we had Dwight McNeil, Aaron Lennon and Maxwel Cornet in the first team squad, but he said that the average Premier League club had 8 non-whites in their squads. Burnley had less than the average number... He also made mention of the Man City banner.

Good reputations and negative reputations can both stick. Little things can reinforce and refresh either negative or positive perceptions.

Be great to be able to show that Burnley and Burnley fans deserve good reputations and that we welcome diversity, equity and inclusion.

UTC

Why was he categorising teams based on skin colour? The racist.

[elwaclaret]

Understand re Nelson/Burnley. Yes Prestige made cutlery, pots and pans in Burnley whilst Prestige Accrington made carpet sweepers, the famous Ewbank.
I would add that after the textile industry collapsed Burnley became a hive of light engineering with Companies such as Burnley Aircraft, Burco, W H Dean, Mal Tool, Tennaco and many, many more.

Yes, thanks - the light engineering industries were one I was aware of just wasn’t sure how ‘major’ it was. The car industry is another, related parts and also the ‘felt’ trades, but not sure they were of the same scale; I know for example Joh Cotton’s closure really hurt Colne… but how much it effected Burnley, I’m not sure.

[Volvoclaret]

Cottons closing didn't really effected Burnley but we have lost other industries in the town eg Dorma, Diana Cowpe, Lambert Howarths in the clothing sector and major mfcs like Michelin, Lucas and Bellings.

[elwaclaret]

Cottons closing didn't really effected Burnley but we have lost other industries in the town eg Dorma, Diana Cowpe, Lambert Howarths in the clothing sector and major mfcs like Michelin, Lucas and Bellings.

Lambert Howarth’s was what I was thinking of with reference to ‘footwear’ - did they do cloths in Burnley? I remember MS pulling out of Lambert Haworth and the collapse that caused across Burnley and Rossendale. Michelin, Dorma, Lucas and Belling are interesting, I thought they were around mid 90’s from memory, need to check them out timewise. Thanks for all this, btw.

[Guller Bull]

There was something about ****ging a sheep on the thread earlier in relation to stopping investment or not. Can't see it know but the superhero hollywood chap invested big bucks in Wrexham didn't he?

[Devils_Advocate]

There was something about ****ging a sheep on the thread earlier in relation to stopping investment or not. Can't see it know but the superhero hollywood chap invested big bucks in Wrexham didn't he?

There's one fundamental difference between conflating Wrexham fans and shaggi*g sheep to conflating Burnley fans and racism but i'll leave it to you to have a think about it

[Guller Bull]

you are right DA - I apologise for my mistimed humour - how very 1970's.

Had a think and will keep within narrow sensible boundaries henceforth.

[Volvoclaret]

I was being a little bit free with categorizing Lamberts as clothing, the Burnley factory made slippers.

[LeadBelly]

Last weekend, before all the Premier League games kicked off, I read some comments on Times on Line about which team, Leeds or Burnley, people would like to see relegated. There was one comment I read that made the "racist club" claim. He knew that we had Dwight McNeil, Aaron Lennon and Maxwel Cornet in the first team squad, but he said that the average Premier League club had 8 non-whites in their squads. Burnley had less than the average number... He also made mention of the Man City banner.

Good reputations and negative reputations can both stick. Little things can reinforce and refresh either negative or positive perceptions.

Be great to be able to show that Burnley and Burnley fans deserve good reputations and that we welcome diversity, equity and inclusion.

UTC

I'd prefer our squad to be based on football ability rather than "diversity ratios" thanks. What would we need to fulfil some ideal diversity target exactly? At least 2 oriental, a couple from India (one Hindu / 1 muslim), a Pacific Islander, 1 Arab, 1 AmerIndian and an Eskimo + 1 transgender, 3/4 gay, etc.

I think it's true that most pundits/journos wanted us relegated rather than Everton or Leeds - but because they are "big clubs" and more noteworthy to a bigger audience (which is good for themselves).

On the deterring of investment: do companies not invest in Liverpool because of Heysel? Not invest in Chelsea because of their history of fan violence/racism?

[Rileybobs]

I'd prefer our squad to be based on football ability rather than "diversity ratios" thanks. What would we need to fulfil some ideal diversity target exactly? At least 2 oriental, a couple from India (one Hindu / 1 muslim), a Pacific Islander, 1 Arab, 1 AmerIndian and an Eskimo + 1 transgender, 3/4 gay, etc.

I think it's true that most pundits/journos wanted us relegated rather than Everton or Leeds - but because they are "big clubs" and more noteworthy to a bigger audience (which is good for themselves).

On the deterring of investment: do companies not invest in Liverpool because of Heysel? Not invest in Chelsea because of their history of fan violence/racism?

Whether or not we have actually lost out on investment due to the plane banner incident is unknown. But I'm surprised by the number of people who have posted on this thread who don't think that that incident reflected badly on the image of the club, which will obviously be a factor for any would-be investor.

Obviously clubs like Chelsea and Liverpool rely less on their image due to the success of those clubs, but of course there are some investors who won't invest in other clubs because of their negative image.

[ClaretPete001]

Americqns are investing in Italian clubs and Seria A, which suggests they have few qualms about racism.

I do worry that if the Daily Mail printed an article suggesting that we should start burning witches at the stake again some on here would be wandering the streets of East Lancashire with a box of matches and kindling wood.