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Circles or Squares?

Post by Rowls » Tue Jun 14, 2022 10:28 am

Circles or squares.

What's the best?

Circles are round but they don't have flat sides. Squares are nice and stackable but they have pointy corners.

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Re: Circles or Squares?

Post by ClaretAndJew » Tue Jun 14, 2022 10:31 am

Circles are also stackable.

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Re: Circles or Squares?

Post by maccclaret » Tue Jun 14, 2022 10:33 am

Squares are a diet shape.
Too much pie around circles.

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Re: Circles or Squares?

Post by martin_p » Tue Jun 14, 2022 10:34 am

Strictly speaking as two dimensional shapes neither are stackable. If you want stacking it’s cubes and spheres you want.
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Re: Circles or Squares?

Post by Rowls » Tue Jun 14, 2022 10:49 am

Martin's very correct here.

I don't like trying to put 3d shapes onto 2d screens. Feels wrong to deny them that additional dimension.

Circles are definitely better for pies because with a square pie somebody gets the bulk of the crust which just isn't on. It's different for Shepherd's Pie and Cottagers Pie though because no pastry with those.

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Re: Circles or Squares?

Post by Rowls » Tue Jun 14, 2022 10:49 am

ClaretAndJew wrote:
Tue Jun 14, 2022 10:31 am
Circles are also stackable.
Why would you though?

I mean, who stacks their circles these days?

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Re: Circles or Squares?

Post by maccclaret » Tue Jun 14, 2022 10:59 am

Rowls wrote:
Tue Jun 14, 2022 10:49 am
Why would you though?

I mean, who stacks their circles these days?
Only squares

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Re: Circles or Squares?

Post by CoolClaret » Tue Jun 14, 2022 11:03 am

martin_p wrote:
Tue Jun 14, 2022 10:34 am
Strictly speaking as two dimensional shapes neither are stackable. If you want stacking it’s cubes and spheres you want.
Actually it’s cubes and cylinders
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Re: Circles or Squares?

Post by martin_p » Tue Jun 14, 2022 11:06 am

CoolClaret wrote:
Tue Jun 14, 2022 11:03 am
Actually it’s cubes and cylinders
A 3D circle is a sphere.

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Re: Circles or Squares?

Post by Rowls » Tue Jun 14, 2022 11:08 am

Why'd you have to and bring angles of rotation into this?

It's like hanging out with Mrs Pacman again.

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Re: Circles or Squares?

Post by Rowls » Tue Jun 14, 2022 11:09 am

Not to mention rotation points.

Arrrggghhhh too late

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Re: Circles or Squares?

Post by ElectroClaret » Tue Jun 14, 2022 11:09 am

I'll throw you a curve ball and give you triangles.
Superior in every way.

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Re: Circles or Squares?

Post by CoolClaret » Tue Jun 14, 2022 11:13 am

martin_p wrote:
Tue Jun 14, 2022 11:06 am
A 3D circle is a sphere.
It is yes I meant if you wanted what was best for stacking…

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Re: Circles or Squares?

Post by Rowls » Tue Jun 14, 2022 11:15 am

ElectroClaret wrote:
Tue Jun 14, 2022 11:09 am
I'll throw you a curve ball and give you triangles.
Superior in every way.
Triangles are clearly superior. I feel sorry for the quadrilaterals and the ovoids. They can't compete.

Not with the Triangles. Or their cousins, the Hexagons.

I'm not sure we should allow Triangles into the circle/square standoff. Seems a bit obtuse to me.

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Re: Circles or Squares?

Post by martin_p » Tue Jun 14, 2022 11:17 am

Guess you could argue that circles are pointless so the square wins.

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Re: Circles or Squares?

Post by Chobulous » Tue Jun 14, 2022 11:19 am

There are a couple of ways in which spheres can be stacked. Cubic close packing and hexagonal close packing being 2 of the most common.

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Re: Circles or Squares?

Post by Sproggy » Tue Jun 14, 2022 11:20 am

martin_p wrote:
Tue Jun 14, 2022 10:34 am
Strictly speaking as two dimensional shapes neither are stackable. If you want stacking it’s cubes and spheres you want.
Is Rowls talking about stacking two dimensional shapes though? Maybe he's stacking 3-D shapes of zero height?
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Re: Circles or Squares?

Post by Rowls » Tue Jun 14, 2022 11:23 am

Sproggy wrote:
Tue Jun 14, 2022 11:20 am
Is Rowls talking about stacking two dimensional shapes though? Maybe he's stacking 3-D shapes of zero height?
I've been stacking 2D shapes all morning and don't seem to be getting anywhere

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Re: Circles or Squares?

Post by Funkydrummer » Tue Jun 14, 2022 11:27 am

martin_p wrote:
Tue Jun 14, 2022 11:06 am
A 3D circle is a sphere.
Balls.

A square is two (or more) triangles adjacent to each other, so the triangle is superior as it is
an integral part of the whole.
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Re: Circles or Squares?

Post by Juan Tanamera » Tue Jun 14, 2022 11:31 am

ClaretAndJew wrote:
Tue Jun 14, 2022 10:31 am
Circles are also stackable.
I had 4 pancakes for my breakfast, each one stacked on top of the other.
To be fair though, you don't see many square pancakes these days. 🤔

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Re: Circles or Squares?

Post by Rowls » Tue Jun 14, 2022 11:33 am

Funkydrummer only went and dropped the B-word

B O O M
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Re: Circles or Squares?

Post by Rowls » Tue Jun 14, 2022 11:34 am

Juan Tanamera wrote:
Tue Jun 14, 2022 11:31 am
I had 4 pancakes for my breakfast, each one stacked on top of the other.
To be fair though, you don't see many square pancakes these days. 🤔
Square pancakes would roll up more uniformly.

It's impossible to eat a pancake with one end getting cold before you've finished.

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Re: Circles or Squares?

Post by Funkydrummer » Tue Jun 14, 2022 11:34 am

Having said that, the circle is a great contender is it's an all-rounder.
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Re: Circles or Squares?

Post by Sproggy » Tue Jun 14, 2022 11:34 am

Juan Tanamera wrote:
Tue Jun 14, 2022 11:31 am
I had 4 pancakes for my breakfast, each one stacked on top of the other.
To be fair though, you don't see many square pancakes these days. 🤔
Those pancakes were cylinders.

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Re: Circles or Squares?

Post by Juan Tanamera » Tue Jun 14, 2022 11:35 am

Rowls wrote:
Tue Jun 14, 2022 11:34 am
Square pancakes would roll up more uniformly.

It's impossible to eat a pancake with one end getting cold before you've finished.
Not at the speed I eat them, I was a Gannet in another life.

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Re: Circles or Squares?

Post by Rowls » Tue Jun 14, 2022 11:36 am

Sproggy wrote:
Tue Jun 14, 2022 11:34 am
Those pancakes were cylinders.
Try making them squaricles next time. They'll roll up much better.

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Re: Circles or Squares?

Post by Juan Tanamera » Tue Jun 14, 2022 11:36 am

Sproggy wrote:
Tue Jun 14, 2022 11:34 am
Those pancakes were cylinders.
They were as flat as the proverbial......

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Re: Circles or Squares?

Post by Rowls » Tue Jun 14, 2022 11:37 am

Juan Tanamera wrote:
Tue Jun 14, 2022 11:35 am
Not at the speed I eat them, I was a Gannet in another life.
It's not the eating, it the filling prep that does it. If only there was a pre-sugared, square pancake available on the mass market...

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Re: Circles or Squares?

Post by Rowls » Tue Jun 14, 2022 11:37 am

Juan Tanamera wrote:
Tue Jun 14, 2022 11:36 am
They were as flat as the proverbial......
What's a proverbial cylinder?

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Re: Circles or Squares?

Post by Juan Tanamera » Tue Jun 14, 2022 11:43 am

Rowls wrote:
Tue Jun 14, 2022 11:37 am
What's a proverbial cylinder?
I don't know, please tell.👍
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Re: Circles or Squares?

Post by Polesworth » Tue Jun 14, 2022 11:49 am

Talking of squares, get yersen down to Trent Bridge. It's free admission today for a whole day of test match cricket. The bars are open all day and the sun is shining.
NB for non-cricket types the area where the wickets are is known as 'the square' and the length of the pitch is exactly one chain.
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Re: Circles or Squares?

Post by martin_p » Tue Jun 14, 2022 12:01 pm

This has become a bit of a circular argument.

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Re: Circles or Squares?

Post by Tricky Trevor » Tue Jun 14, 2022 12:08 pm

Rowls wrote:
Tue Jun 14, 2022 10:49 am
Why would you though?

I mean, who stacks their circles these days?
Crowning at dominoes!

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Re: Circles or Squares?

Post by Falcon » Tue Jun 14, 2022 12:18 pm

Hexagons for me. They tesselate so nicely.

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Re: Circles or Squares?

Post by Rowls » Tue Jun 14, 2022 12:28 pm

Falcon wrote:
Tue Jun 14, 2022 12:18 pm
Hexagons for me. They tesselate so nicely.
Hexagons are banned from this thread for the same reasons triangles aren't allowed.

Superior shapes need their own space so the wronguns can fight it out between themselves.

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Re: Circles or Squares?

Post by ElectroClaret » Tue Jun 14, 2022 12:32 pm

We, the undersigned, are determined to get triangles (or for that matter, any geometric shapes) included in shape discussion, feeling that exclusion is unfair.

TLF
#Triangles Liberation Front

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Re: Circles or Squares?

Post by martin_p » Tue Jun 14, 2022 12:41 pm

ElectroClaret wrote:
Tue Jun 14, 2022 12:32 pm
We, the undersigned, are determined to get triangles (or for that matter, any geometric shapes) included in shape discussion, feeling that exclusion is unfair.

TLF
#Triangles Liberation Front
Please don’t listen to the TLF, they have some very outdated views on shape reassignment surgery (e.g. a triangle having a point cut off to become a quadrilateral). If you really care about triangles and triangle rights then the ERT (Equilateral Rights for Triangles) is the organisation to support.

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Re: Circles or Squares?

Post by Hipper » Tue Jun 14, 2022 12:46 pm

Circles only have one side. There's nothing in 2D with two sides, then you get the triangle, rectangle/square etc., and as you increase the number of sides you get nearer to a circle again. There's no way of identifying where you are on a circle.

Spherical objects are useful for drainage as they always have open spaces between them. In sports turf, sand is sieved to get similar sized round sand particles for this reason. Angular sand doesn't drain so well as the smaller pieces will fill in the gaps between the bigger particles (I always thought this was an unsatisfactory explanation as we add sand to an already existing substrate - we don't play on pure sand but a sandy soil. However I assume the boffins have done their research well).
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Re: Circles or Squares?

Post by Funkydrummer » Tue Jun 14, 2022 1:43 pm

Of course, as the number of sides of a regular shape increase, it gets closer and closer
to a circle until, at finity, it becomes a circle.

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Re: Circles or Squares?

Post by Rowls » Tue Jun 14, 2022 1:44 pm

I actually went to Finity on a hiking trip and saw an octogon so I know you're not telling the truth, Funky.

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Re: Circles or Squares?

Post by Rowls » Tue Jun 14, 2022 1:46 pm

Hipper wrote:
Tue Jun 14, 2022 12:46 pm
Circles only have one side. There's nothing in 2D with two sides, then you get the triangle, rectangle/square etc., and as you increase the number of sides you get nearer to a circle again. There's no way of identifying where you are on a circle.
Controversy comes to the Circles or Squares thread.

If you can't tell where you are on a circle, you've probably drawn a circle that's too big. Try tracing round a saucer instead.

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Re: Circles or Squares?

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Re: Circles or Squares?

Post by Funkydrummer » Tue Jun 14, 2022 1:56 pm

Rowls wrote:
Tue Jun 14, 2022 1:44 pm
I actually went to Finity on a hiking trip and saw an octogon so I know you're not telling the truth, Funky.
I can only assume that your sat nav is faulty and the octagon was on it's return journey OR never
actually arrived at the abstract location.

Anyway, I know that you're making it up because infinity is unattainable and is an unlimited extent
of time, space or quantity and as such is a theoretical principle.

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Re: Circles or Squares?

Post by Guitargeorge » Tue Jun 14, 2022 1:56 pm

Circles are merely squares with the corners cut off.

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Re: Circles or Squares?

Post by Falcon » Tue Jun 14, 2022 1:57 pm

Or are they all corner?

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Re: Circles or Squares?

Post by Funkydrummer » Tue Jun 14, 2022 1:58 pm

Rowls wrote:
Tue Jun 14, 2022 1:46 pm
Controversy comes to the Circles or Squares thread.

If you can't tell where you are on a circle, you've probably drawn a circle that's too big. Try tracing round a saucer instead.
If you can tell where you are on a circle you are probably looking at a clock.

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Re: Circles or Squares?

Post by Falcon » Tue Jun 14, 2022 1:58 pm

On a slight tangent, but what colour are shapes in your mind.

For me a circle is blue and a square is red. Triangles are green but that might just be because I've eaten too many Quality Street.
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Re: Circles or Squares?

Post by Funkydrummer » Tue Jun 14, 2022 2:03 pm

Anyway, this is my favourite shape.
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Re: Circles or Squares?

Post by Rowls » Tue Jun 14, 2022 2:13 pm

Falcon wrote:
Tue Jun 14, 2022 1:58 pm
On a slight tangent, but what colour are shapes in your mind.

For me a circle is blue and a square is red. Triangles are green but that might just be because I've eaten too many Quality Street.
Are you, or have you ever been, a member of the Communist Party?

Triangle ARE green though.

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Re: Circles or Squares?

Post by Rowls » Tue Jun 14, 2022 2:15 pm

Funkydrummer wrote:
Tue Jun 14, 2022 1:58 pm
If you can tell where you are on a circle you are probably looking at a clock.
I pushed a mathematician onto a circle during a sumo wrestling fight (long story) seven years ago and he's still there. Says it's impossible to know where he is.

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