Transfer Rumours Thread - NO FINANCIAL DISCUSSION

[ClaretInLeeds]

Would love O’Hare, not only because he’s good; but because it would annoy both Coventry and Boro fans.

[boatshed bill]

Is it naive to think that Ben Mee would have stayed at Burnley? Really?

Lots of players don’t get the move they want. We’ve just been told to do one by Coventry despite the player seemingly being very keen on a move and a chance to make a lot more money. It’s not often a team is relegated and loses so many of their players.

It’s naive to think that this is more about player power than debt repayment in my view. Kompany even alluded to that in his press conference. And I have no problem with the debt being repaid, because I’m realistic. But it seems to me that the board have decided to put aside any realistic ambition of an immediate return to the PL by prioritising quick income to service the debt - which is very disappointing to me and seemingly some others.

I find this acceptance that all these players were always going to leave quite odd and certainly revisionist. I’m sure if you go back a few weeks on this forum the narrative was very different.

Very likely you are right in most cases.
but if a player chooses to see out his contract then that will happen, nothing the club can do about it.

These players are not being forced out to clear the debt, they are making their own decisions.

For me they can all do one, bunch of failures who are likely to be handsomely rewarded for their inability at PL level.

[AwayClaret]

Christ there are some people who actually live their lives as purely football fans. That is sad in itself.

[dandeclaret]

Sure, huge player turnover, but mostly expected and nothing really we could do about it.

Expected based on what? I thought that we’d sell 1 to cover debt repayment, along with the release of some older players in big wages. I didn’t expect THEM ALL to be sold. On the back of Wood already being sold. There’s very little precedence of a premier league club being relegated and doing this.

[Bordeauxclaret]

Its a short career, its absolutely mental to stay at a club on less money when you can double it by moving, and you are good enough to move

I mean, it really is that simple

Let’s hope O’Hare sees it that way.

[s6t9a2f3f]

Players and agents aren't daft - the club is in the turmoil mode currently - gossip about owners that won't go away and all the best players virtually sold. Why would a top prospect currently come here ? To play in the same team as Cork and Jay ? People need a massive wake up call.

[Lancasterclaret]

Let’s hope O’Hare sees it that way.

To all accounts, he does

[Paul Waine]

Is it naive to think that Ben Mee would have stayed at Burnley? Really?

Lots of players don’t get the move they want. We’ve just been told to do one by Coventry despite the player seemingly being very keen on a move and a chance to make a lot more money. It’s not often a team is relegated and loses so many of their players.

It’s naive to think that this is more about player power than debt repayment in my view. Kompany even alluded to that in his press conference. And I have no problem with the debt being repaid, because I’m realistic. But it seems to me that the board have decided to put aside any realistic ambition of an immediate return to the PL by prioritising quick income to service the debt - which is very disappointing to me and seemingly some others.

I find this acceptance that all these players were always going to leave quite odd and certainly revisionist. I’m sure if you go back a few weeks on this forum the narrative was very different.

Ben Mee was OOC. Look again at my earlier post. What wage could Burnley offer him that would be more attractive than what Brentford could offer?

Alternatively, why would a Premier League quality player sign for a club in the Championship when he's still wanted by a Premier League club?

[Rileybobs]

Put it this way guys. Relegated teams usually have 3 advantages over the rest of the division;
1. A better manager
2. Better players
3. More money

Kompany may turn out to be a great manager, but at the moment he’s an unknown.

We’ve sold, or are about to sell, all of our better players.

The funds that we are receiving from these players are having to not only replace the sold players, but all of the out of contract players - and then there’s the loans that need to be serviced. So whilst it’s obvious we aren’t going to be replacing like for like, we’re generally shopping at a level below the top end of the Championship.

So this isn’t being negative for the sake of it, I just think it’s disappointing that we seem to be conceding any advantage we had over the other teams in this division. And once that advantage has gone, it’s gone for good.

Who knows, we may pull some rabbits out of the hat before the end of the window. Either way I can’t wait until Friday and looking forward to seeing how this project works out. I just think some of you are being a little too quick to call out those who don’t think that everything in the garden is completely rosy.

[dandeclaret]

Ben Mee was OOC. Look again at my earlier post. What wage could Burnley offer him that would be more attractive than what Brentford could offer?

Alternatively, why would a Premier League quality player sign for a club in the Championship when he's still wanted by a Premier League club?

By utilising your parachute payments to try and pay an equivalent wage at a club a player is settled at?

[Rileybobs]

Ben Mee was OOC. Look again at my earlier post. What wage could Burnley offer him that would be more attractive than what Brentford could offer?

Alternatively, why would a Premier League quality player sign for a club in the Championship when he's still wanted by a Premier League club?

I answered those questions in my reply to you, Paul.

[fatboy47]

Ben Mee was OOC. Look again at my earlier post. What wage could Burnley offer him that would be more attractive than what Brentford could offer?

Alternatively, why would a Premier League quality player sign for a club in the Championship when he's still wanted by a Premier League club?

Keep singing the company song Paul.

I genuinely hope your take on the situation is more realistic than mine.

We'll soon know.

[KRBFC]

Are you and BurnleyFC the same poster

Do you respond to everyone? let it go Alan, not everybody agrees with you, other opinions are allowed.

[karatekid]

Everyone getting upset about us selling our players. Let’s not forget that those players had just been relegated from the PL and so were actually Championship players when we sold them back to PL clubs. I suspect a few of them will be championship players again next season.

[Jakubclaret]

Players and agents aren't daft - the club is in the turmoil mode currently - gossip about owners that won't go away and all the best players virtually sold. Why would a top prospect currently come here ? To play in the same team as Cork and Jay ? People need a massive wake up call.

Some people do but don’t tar us all with the same brush selected posters on here could see what was going to happen & sadly did happen & what some of us said is pretty much playing out exactly as we called it.

[Quickenthetempo]

Everyone getting upset about us selling our players. Let’s not forget that those players had just been relegated from the PL and so were actually Championship players when we sold them back to PL clubs. I suspect a few of them will be championship players again next season.

Strange take to call players championship players that have never played in that league before. Not one appearance for McNeil or Cornet.

[taio]

Everyone getting upset about us selling our players. Let’s not forget that those players had just been relegated from the PL and so were actually Championship players when we sold them back to PL clubs. I suspect a few of them will be championship players again next season.

People are concerned about the volume of sales and, crucially, whether our signings will be enough to sufficiently offset the outgoings and scale of change, bearing in mind we will be playing at a lower level.

[arise_sir_charge]

By utilising your parachute payments to try and pay an equivalent wage at a club a player is settled at?

So you’d rather spend £2.5m per season for two seasons on Ben Mee, for him to then walk away at the end of that period for nothing, than invest say £4m of that in players that could be the next Ben Mee and the rest in wages?

I wouldn’t because in my opinion that’s just kicking the can down the road and what do you do in 3 years time when you’ve spent the £5m?

I could see an argument for using the money to try and retain younger players with a potential future value but even then it’s difficult if you’ve got a younger player that’s shown they can compete at the higher level over a prolonged period ie McNeil. I’m those instances it’s likely the player is wanted and also that they’d want to go.

[Rileybobs]

You waste yours and I'll waste mine when the usual people are liking your post which in reality is just you living your own posts.

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[Stockbrokerbelt]

People need to understand when they complain about the low transfer fees that Mcniel, Collins went for, it was because no other clubs bid for them hence no bidding war, as for Dwight, Everton have gone for him as they can’t afford anything else & that’s him on the slippery slope to being on the bench at a relegation battler for the season
but drawing a good wage.

[AwayClaret]

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[CombatClaret]

Posters on here are delighted we're selling our best players for ALK to take that money out of the club.

Where?
I've seen people accepting of the situation. I've seen no one delighted by it.

[AwayClaret]

#rattled
Rattled. You're a little boy with multiple usernamss

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[Rileybobs]

MOD: Thanks for your comment which I’m in complete agreement with. Rather than closing the thread please can you just delete the totally unnecessary posts by the culprit.

[dandeclaret]

So you’d rather spend £2.5m per season for two seasons on Ben Mee, for him to then walk away at the end of that period for nothing, than invest say £4m of that in players that could be the next Ben Mee and the rest in wages?

I wouldn’t because in my opinion that’s just kicking the can down the road and what do you do in 3 years time when you’ve spent the £5m?

I could see an argument for using the money to try and retain younger players with a potential future value but even then it’s difficult if you’ve got a younger player that’s shown they can compete at the higher level over a prolonged period ie McNeil. I’m those instances it’s likely the player is wanted and also that they’d want to go.

The £5m investment is an attempt to return the premier league money that allows for investment in 1 or 2 younger players to bed into your side. Failure to achieve this quickly means that chances to do this are dramatically diminished.

I’d be a big fan of evolution, rather than revolution, particularly when the club or business has found a model that allows it to be successful and deliver results way above expectations. I’d understand revolution if the club was at the opposite end of that scale. Ie when Cotterill was in charge.

[Vegas Claret]

Players and agents aren't daft - the club is in the turmoil mode currently - gossip about owners that won't go away and all the best players virtually sold. Why would a top prospect currently come here ? To play in the same team as Cork and Jay ? People need a massive wake up call.

Why would a top prospect currently come here...........

have you actually seen who we have signed ?? ffs

[forzagranata]

Let's get it right - the departures of almost all the players are the result of choices made by the board.

Pope and Collins were under contract - they could have been kept. There is no rule that their wages had to drop in the Championship - sometimes owners do that, sometimes (like when they want to keep a key asset) they don't. ALK chose to sell them. It may prove to have been smart business - it might not. Time will tell. But it was ALK's choice to sell.

Ben Mee's departure is a mystery. This is a guy who with his contract running out and with him injured could have sat at home and counted down the days until his contract ran out. Instead, for probably no extra pay, the guy was helping out Jackson in the dugout and on the training ground, giving everything he could to keep us up. As part of the coaching team he would presumably have had more access to Pace and the ownership than the rest of the players. Then he left. One day we will find out what happened.

McNeil could have been kept had the club wished. Again, it might be the right decision to sell, but it was a decision. Not a case of 'nothing we could do'.

Same with Cornet.

And will be the same if we sell Roberts, Brownhill or Taylor.

Tarkowski and Weghorst are the only two cases where it was made clear publicly that they wanted to leave at all costs and both had the contractual opportunity to do so.

This is ALK and Pace's clear out of our Premier League staff. They got rid of the coaching staff and support staff, they got rid of key academy staff and they have decimated our Premier League squad.

These are all choices the owners have made and what follows, whether positive or negative, is on them.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Where?
I've seen people accepting of the situation. I've seen no one delighted by it.

He's just exaggerating to drive home some bizarre point he's trying to make, it's normal for him.

[arise_sir_charge]

The £5m investment is an attempt to return the premier league money that allows for investment in 1 or 2 younger players to bed into your side. Failure to achieve this quickly means that chances to do this are dramatically diminished.

I’d be a big fan of evolution, rather than revolution, particularly when the club or business has found a model that allows it to be successful and deliver results way above expectations. I’d understand revolution if the club was at the opposite end of that scale. Ie when Cotterill was in charge.

Well we will have to agree to disagree. I think the opportunity to evolve passed a few years ago as we continued to extend contracts and not sell assets at their maximum value.

We have been left in a place where a revolution is in my opinion necessary.

[dandeclaret]

You say we don't know, however, I find that odd. Most on here claim to know everything about things that they can't know. We do know that Ben Mee has left Burnley. We do know that his previous contract would have had a relegation clause. We do know he was OOC when he left. We know that Peter Crouch had a 45% wage reduction in his Stoke contract. We do know that he said it was common/standard in Premier League contracts. We do know that many footballers are happy to relocate and not just up and down the country, but to move to new countries. Ben Mee moving with his young family is not a barrier to him moving to Brentford (or any other Premier League club). If it was the prospect of maybe doubling his alternative Championship club wage would remove those barriers. Joey Barton had a house in Kew, a couple of miles from Brentford's stadium when he joined Burnley (a friend of mine was the estate agent). QPR is just up the road from Kew and Brentford. Why would a footballer in early 30s settle for Championship when he's spent several seasons playing very well in the Premier League? Do you see Ben Mee as someone who lacks ambition? It's not that long ago that he was speaking of missing out on playing for England.

I've not said Ben Mee was "always going to leave." I've said it makes sense that he's moved to a Premier League club. I've not claim he was offered or not offered a new contract at Burnley. I'm saying there's no reason why we should expect him to accept it. We should accept that he was probably going to look for a new club paying Premier League wages.

You conveniently missed the bit where Peter Crouch said that relegation clauses weeent always enforced……

[Paul Waine]

Strange take to call players championship players that have never played in that league before. Not one appearance for McNeil or Cornet.

And Wout Weghorst signed a contract with Burnley that said he wouldn't play in the Championship.

Others who had played Premier League for past 6 seasons were OOC at the end of last season, so were free to continue their career in the Premier League.

[quoonbeatz]

Ben Mee was OOC. Look again at my earlier post. What wage could Burnley offer him that would be more attractive than what Brentford could offer?

Ben Mee was offered decent enough wages but only for a year with a further year option in the clubs favour.

[Paul Waine]

You conveniently missed the bit where Peter Crouch said that relegation clauses weeent always enforced……

Got to honest, I hadn't seen that bit reported. So, what made Crouchie leave Stoke and join Burnley?

[Paul Waine]

Ben Mee was offered decent enough wages but only for a year with a further year option in the clubs favour.

Same as? Better than? previous wage?

[dandeclaret]

Got to honest, I hadn't seen that bit reported. So, what made Crouchie leave Stoke and join Burnley?

Dunno but He got on with Dyche (people relationships often overlooked in football transfers, the Neul Warnock documentary was an insight to this) and better chance of first team football, which obviously didn’t work out.

[Paul Waine]

Expected based on what? I thought that we’d sell 1 to cover debt repayment, along with the release of some older players in big wages. I didn’t expect THEM ALL to be sold. On the back of Wood already being sold. There’s very little precedence of a premier league club being relegated and doing this.

You've got to remember the ages of several of them.

Then Tarks, younger, but had said he was seeing out his contract.

[Paul Waine]

Let's get it right - the departures of almost all the players are the result of choices made by the board.

Pope and Collins were under contract - they could have been kept. There is no rule that their wages had to drop in the Championship - sometimes owners do that, sometimes (like when they want to keep a key asset) they don't. ALK chose to sell them. It may prove to have been smart business - it might not. Time will tell. But it was ALK's choice to sell.

Ben Mee's departure is a mystery. This is a guy who with his contract running out and with him injured could have sat at home and counted down the days until his contract ran out. Instead, for probably no extra pay, the guy was helping out Jackson in the dugout and on the training ground, giving everything he could to keep us up. As part of the coaching team he would presumably have had more access to Pace and the ownership than the rest of the players. Then he left. One day we will find out what happened.

McNeil could have been kept had the club wished. Again, it might be the right decision to sell, but it was a decision. Not a case of 'nothing we could do'.

Same with Cornet.

And will be the same if we sell Roberts, Brownhill or Taylor.

Tarkowski and Weghorst are the only two cases where it was made clear publicly that they wanted to leave at all costs and both had the contractual opportunity to do so.

This is ALK and Pace's clear out of our Premier League staff. They got rid of the coaching staff and support staff, they got rid of key academy staff and they have decimated our Premier League squad.

These are all choices the owners have made and what follows, whether positive or negative, is on them.

We know why Ben Mee was helping with coaching at the end of the season: he cared for the club and all the players were on big bonuses to stay in the Premier League. Relegation changes things.

[dsr]

But do we sell every player who wants to leave for whatever figure we can get?

I think we sell every player for whatever figure we can get, whether they want to leave or not. Kompany said total rebuild in his press conference, and I think he means it quite literally.

[scouseclaret]

Why sell Collins? A premier league club came in for him, as soon as that happened he was off. You can’t keep players who don’t want to be here. And £20m for an inexperienced young centre half is decent money.

You can keep a player who has four years left on his contract and shouldn’t you certainly shouldn’t be selling him for “decent”money - you should be charging a substantial premium for letting go of a player you really can’t afford to lose, and after losing Mee and Tarko, we really needed to keep him.

Also, if we’d demonstrated a bit more intent to keep the nucleus of a squad together, the likes of Collins, McNeil, maybe even Cornet may have been prepared to give it a year on the basis that relegated teams very often bounce back.

[dsr]

Just thinking about all the incomings, is there a language school or two in and around Burnley so that all these new lads can learn to speak with each other? Yes, I'm guessing that Vincent Kompany speaks several languages (has anyone got a list?). It will be like United Nations on match days if each of the new lads bring their families along to see them play.

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Most of the foreign players have been in Belgium so they will speak English. Most people in Belgium speak English, because the country has two main languages and some of the Flemish aren't keen on speaking French and some of the French aren't keen on speaking Flemish. I saw it written a fair few years back that more than half of Belgian business transactions are written in English.

Remember Kompnay's team talk/rant published on Youtube? What language was he speaking? Exactly.

[dsr]

Fire sale - selling veteran players on high wages so you can replace them with younger, cheaper players. It's an established term in sports.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/bullpen/Fire_Sale

[forzagranata]

You can keep a player who has four years left on his contract and shouldn’t you certainly shouldn’t be selling him for “decent”money - you should be charging a substantial premium for letting go of a player you really can’t afford to lose, and after losing Mee and Tarko, we really needed to keep him.

Also, if we’d demonstrated a bit more intent to keep the nucleus of a squad together, the likes of Collins, McNeil, maybe even Cornet may have been prepared to give it a year on the basis that relegated teams very often bounce back.

Exactly that.

And word is clearly out amongst agents that Burnley are desperate to sell players to raise funds and won't haggle hard- other clubs know this too.

This is why I am not confident that Roberts, Taylor and Brownill will still be Burnley players come Sept 1. The entire squad is effectively up for sale and they and their agents know it.

[CrosspoolClarets]

Expected based on what? I thought that we’d sell 1 to cover debt repayment, along with the release of some older players in big wages. I didn’t expect THEM ALL to be sold. On the back of Wood already being sold. There’s very little precedence of a premier league club being relegated and doing this.

Didn’t Blackpool release 17 after relegation? At least we are getting dosh for ours.

Bournemouth lost Ake, Wilson, Arter, Ramsdale, Fraser and Ibe on relegation after losing Mings the season before.

Some, like Fulham, buck the trend, but it is hardly very little precedence.

[dsr]

I look forward to seeing the Sky Sports estimate of our formation on Friday. Even after they've got the team news, it'll have to involve a lot of guesswork.

And they'll need to publish extra programmes for the first home game. Everyone will want one to find out who we've got.

[Vegas Claret]

what a **** thread

[CharlieinNewMexico]

what a **** thread

People just arguing about things they’ve argued about 100 times before. It’s like they can’t help themselves. Destroys every thread. Messageboards gone to crap, tbh.

[Quicknick]

And so who's the other geyser?

Don't know, but he's gushing forth.

[Vegas Claret]

People just arguing about things they’ve argued about 100 times before. It’s like they can’t help themselves. Destroys every thread. Messageboards gone to crap, tbh.

yep

[Top Claret]

The question is whose next. The remaining Dyche lads must all be now looking for the exit door and feeling very uneasy being left on the shelf.

Wouldn't surprise me that by the end of August we are left with just Rodriguez and Barnes the rest will have been sold

[California Colner]

What’s happening now at the club I feel is needed !
I’m excited for this season.
It’s the start of a new era, players come and go some you remember some you don’t. No player is bigger than the club!
I for one was so despondent watching every game last year and maybe if Dyche had been let go a few months earlier we just might have stayed up.
New season New players let’s get behind Burnley Football Club!!
Win, Loose or Draw
UTC!!!!!