It's time for Max to say

taio · Post by **taio** » Sat Jul 30, 2022 9:49 pm

IanMcL wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 30, 2022 9:48 pm
Yes but if a club can't pay that fee, then we don't have to release the player.

Yes of course

hetheclaret · Post by **hetheclaret** » Sat Jul 30, 2022 9:49 pm

Rileybobs wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 30, 2022 7:53 pm
Not disagreeing that it may be nonsense. But I think the assertion was that it was void because Cornet’s agent had leaked it, not just anyone. Guess it would be very hard to ever prove or enforce, but in a way no different to a NDA.

That would definitely be more plausible, but as you say, how on earth could you prove that unless the agent was a complete moron

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Sat Jul 30, 2022 9:50 pm

taio wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 30, 2022 9:43 pm
He's got a release clause

Yes but if a club can't pay that fee, then we don't have to release the player.

If say, a buying club, for FFP reasons, can only pay £12m, then the selling club could accept an overall higher fee, by allowing half now, half later, or whatever. The release clause then becomes irrelevant.

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Sat Jul 30, 2022 9:51 pm

taio wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 30, 2022 9:43 pm
He's got a release clause

If nobody’s willing to meet the release clause the club can agree to a lower fee to offload him if it’s in the best interests the release clause just (if met) renders the club powerless to keep him which is doubtful with his wages that they’d want to anyway.

taio · Post by **taio** » Sat Jul 30, 2022 10:00 pm

Jakubclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 30, 2022 9:51 pm
If nobody’s willing to meet the release clause the club can agree to a lower fee to offload him if it’s in the best interests the release clause just (if met) renders the club powerless to keep him which is doubtful with his wages that they’d want to anyway.

Yes, that's how a release clause works obviously

taio · Post by **taio** » Sat Jul 30, 2022 10:02 pm

IanMcL wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 30, 2022 9:50 pm
Yes but if a club can't pay that fee, then we don't have to release the player.

If say, a buying club, for FFP reasons, can only pay £12m, then the selling club could accept an overall higher fee, by allowing half now, half later, or whatever. The release clause then becomes irrelevant.

Yes of course

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Sat Jul 30, 2022 10:07 pm

taio wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 30, 2022 10:00 pm
Yes, that's how a release clause works obviously

Patently not by some of posts baffled with the mechanics, release clauses if activated doesn’t necessarily mean that the deal will go through the player could reject the move even if the club were desperate to get shut but in this case I can’t see that happening.

taio · Post by **taio** » Sat Jul 30, 2022 10:09 pm

Jakubclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 30, 2022 10:07 pm
Patently not by some of posts baffled with the mechanics, release clauses if activated doesn’t necessarily mean that the deal will go through the player could reject the move even if the club were desperate to get shut but in this case I can’t see that happening.

I haven't seen a single person on here who doesn't realise that a player could reject a move if under contract.

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Sat Jul 30, 2022 10:14 pm

taio wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 30, 2022 10:09 pm
I haven't seen a single person on here who doesn't realise that a player could reject a move if under contract.

I wasn’t referring to that that was just an example of release clauses not always going to plan, other things can make release clauses more complicated if there’s a few interested clubs but say 1 club activates the release clause & the other clubs aren’t willing to & the club obviously wants to go with the highest offer but the player prefers the clubs that didn’t meet the release there’s a problem.

taio · Post by **taio** » Sat Jul 30, 2022 10:18 pm

Jakubclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 30, 2022 10:14 pm
I wasn’t referring to that that was just an example of release clauses not always going to plan, other things can make release clauses more complicated if there’s a few interested clubs but say 1 club activates the release clause & the other clubs aren’t willing to & the club obviously wants to go with the highest offer but the player prefers the clubs that didn’t meet the release there’s a problem.

I agree but that's stating the obvious. In that scenario I would expect the club would stand firm and only deal with a club that meets the release clause or a broadly equivalent deal they are satisfied with.

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Sat Jul 30, 2022 10:24 pm

taio wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 30, 2022 10:18 pm
I agree but that's stating the obvious. In that scenario I would expect the club would stand firm and only deal with a club that meets the release clause or a broadly equivalent deal they are satisfied with.

You can’t force a player to go somewhere they don’t want to go to even if it’s a better deal for the club! You can be as argumentative as you wish & pretend it’s not a problem in the event but it clearly would be, although no indication exists that this is what we’ve got going on here so I’m not rotating around in circles discussing it, good evening.

taio · Post by **taio** » Sat Jul 30, 2022 10:38 pm

Jakubclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 30, 2022 10:24 pm
You can’t force a player to go somewhere they don’t want to go to even if it’s a better deal for the club! You can be as argumentative as you wish & pretend it’s not a problem in the event but it clearly would be, although no indication exists that this is what we’ve got going on here so I’m not rotating around in circles discussing it, good evening.

I'm not being argumentative. I've already agreed with you that a club can't force a player to leave when they are under contract. But again that will be obvious to everyone so I'm not sure it's a point worth making anyway, or where I've suggested for a moment otherwise.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sat Jul 30, 2022 10:53 pm

taio wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 30, 2022 10:38 pm
I'm not being argumentative. I've already agreed with you that a club can't force a player to leave when they are under contract. But again that will be obvious to everyone so I'm not sure it's a point worth making anyway, or where I've suggested for a moment otherwise.

Here we may have a situation where the player would rather leave but the so-called suitors say they can't afford him.
My take is that we let him go for the best deal, albeit paid in stages, rather than keep a player who really doesn't want to be here.
We could well end up with a fair chunk more than the quoted buy-out figure.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sat Jul 30, 2022 11:33 pm

I think Cornet really wants to stay, seems incredibly happy here. I don't think he'll be given much option though, I think I'd rather we loaned him out for a season with a £3m-5m loan fee. He said himself he loves playing further forward in an attacking role here and not punted to left back like at Lyon, I could be way off I just get the sense he really likes it here, being a big fish in a smaller pond and the main man with the fans.

Elbarad · Post by **Elbarad** » Sat Jul 30, 2022 11:36 pm

If the chairman was desperate to sell him he would already be gone for one of the amounts offered that don’t meet the release clause. The way I see it Pace is playing hardball to keep him unless the full amount is offered in which case it is out of his hands.

Cleveleys_claret · Post by **Cleveleys_claret** » Sat Jul 30, 2022 11:54 pm

Cornet coupled with our new system is the type of thing that Pace would easily be able to sell our club to future investors, like them that supposedly got cold feet. He is the one player we can afford to carry on paying his wages, he will be worth his weight in gold this season

Bullabill · Post by **Bullabill** » Sun Jul 31, 2022 1:01 am

KRBFC wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 30, 2022 11:33 pm

I think I'd rather we loaned him out for a season with a £3m-5m loan fee.

What, like Wout Weghorst?

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sun Jul 31, 2022 1:31 am

Bullabill wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 31, 2022 1:01 am
What, like Wout Weghorst?

The fans would welcome Cornet back with open arms if we were promoted. I wouldn't be against loaning him with a few million quid banked on a loan fee, so we have him for the PL next year, if we get there.

agreenwood · Post by **agreenwood** » Sun Jul 31, 2022 7:44 am

If Cornet does stay, I wouldn’t be surprised if he struggled to get in the side consistently.

Guller Bull · Post by **Guller Bull** » Sun Jul 31, 2022 8:04 am

At this point if Max was to commit til at least the January window and knuckle down and fight for his place in the team with some stunning Championship stand out performances, then it is far more like that a top six team who are desperate for an edge will come in and trigger the necessary release (which it would seem to be his preferred option)

Also by then we /he would have a better knowledge of where we are heading. If it's upwards then he is more likely to want to be part of the journey. If it's otherwise thanks and tara Max!

Dead simple this player handling lark.

spt_claret · Post by **spt_claret** » Sun Jul 31, 2022 9:12 am

Silkyskills1 wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 30, 2022 7:44 pm
Playing where exactly?

Exactly the point of this system.
Cornet in the role Costelloe was occupying, drifting between midfield, striker, second striker and wide, is pretty much exactly what he does best. I've been clamouring for him to play as an inbetween narrow-wide right forward for a while, he's great at getting behind lines or between defenders, left footed, has a good shot including from distance but isn't a great crosser so out left can't use his left to full effect, but good at cutbacks.
I genuinely think this system would be absolutely ideal for Cornet as one of the front two roaming forwards, his movement is exceptional but as a conventional winger or striker he's always looked positionally lost. This system it doesn't matter, it's all about everyone moving fluidly into different areas which he does naturally.
It's the same reason I'd back Vydra in this. Yes his shooting often left something to be desired, but he's fast enough to stretch defences, also a good mover at dropping deep or wide, and has good technique.
It's a very continentally influenced style and I'd actually say that you can see the Belgian/German influence in it- while Barnes was operating more as a striker he was still employing feints and drops, and the grey zone position these forwards are occupying really reminds me of the likes of Lukas Podolski, Dries Mertens, Thomas Muller and Andre Schurrle- or closer to home, Jelle Vossen & Rouwen Hennings, who didn't really play like conventional strikers.

alwaysaclaret · Post by **alwaysaclaret** » Sun Jul 31, 2022 9:52 am

KRBFC wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 30, 2022 11:33 pm
I think Cornet really wants to stay, seems incredibly happy here. I don't think he'll be given much option though, I think I'd rather we loaned him out for a season with a £3m-5m loan fee. He said himself he loves playing further forward in an attacking role here and not punted to left back like at Lyon, I could be way off I just get the sense he really likes it here, being a big fish in a smaller pond and the main man with the fans.

Agree with this mostly, definitely think he'd rather stay, but it's not quite that simple given our financial position, however the clubs that want him clearly don't want to pay the release clause fee for whatever reason, my opinion is he could be the player to fire us to promotion, so for that I'd love him to stay. But then to vk it's a case of sell him and he could bring the 3 in that he requires to do that anyway, including he's replacement. It's all quite a unique situation as I see it, although not 100% that a loan would help either him or the club, but don't think it's out of the question for him to still be with us when the window shuts. Hope so cos he's an unbelievable player to have around, not least in the dressing room.

alwaysaclaret · Post by **alwaysaclaret** » Sun Jul 31, 2022 9:52 am

KRBFC wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 30, 2022 11:33 pm
I think Cornet really wants to stay, seems incredibly happy here. I don't think he'll be given much option though, I think I'd rather we loaned him out for a season with a £3m-5m loan fee. He said himself he loves playing further forward in an attacking role here and not punted to left back like at Lyon, I could be way off I just get the sense he really likes it here, being a big fish in a smaller pond and the main man with the fans.

Agree with this mostly, definitely think he'd rather stay, but it's not quite that simple given our financial position, however the clubs that want him clearly don't want to pay the release clause fee for whatever reason, my opinion is he could be the player to fire us to promotion, so for that I'd love him to stay. But then to vk it's a case of sell him and he could bring the 3 in that he requires to do that anyway, including he's replacement. It's all quite a unique situation as I see it, although not 100% that a loan would help either him or the club, but don't think it's out of the question for him to still be with us when the window shuts. Hope so cos he's an unbelievable player to have around, not least in the dressing room.

alwaysaclaret · Post by **alwaysaclaret** » Sun Jul 31, 2022 10:11 am

Duplicated sorry

PremierLeagueClass · Post by **PremierLeagueClass** » Sun Jul 31, 2022 10:13 am

agreenwood wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 31, 2022 7:44 am
If Cornet does stay, I wouldn’t be surprised if he struggled to get in the side consistently.

I don’t think he’s anything like fit enough to do what would be asked of him in this team.

RidgeClaret · Post by **RidgeClaret** » Sun Jul 31, 2022 10:24 am

Don't think the release clause is void but it might have an expiry date I.e. 31st July. Hence VK saying if he's still here next week he'll be included

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Sun Jul 31, 2022 10:44 am

alwaysaclaret wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 31, 2022 9:52 am
Agree with this mostly, definitely think he'd rather stay, but it's not quite that simple given our financial position, however the clubs that want him clearly don't want to pay the release clause fee for whatever reason, my opinion is he could be the player to fire us to promotion, so for that I'd love him to stay. But then to vk it's a case of sell him and he could bring the 3 in that he requires to do that anyway, including he's replacement. It's all quite a unique situation as I see it, although not 100% that a loan would help either him or the club, but don't think it's out of the question for him to still be with us when the window shuts. Hope so cos he's an unbelievable player to have around, not least in the dressing room.

There’s a reason the clubs don’t want to pay the release clause it’s because they don’t think he’s worth it (whether we agree or not) they don’t else they’d pay it or they know we are desperate for the money & hoping something lower than 17.5 could be negotiated or hoping if the interest stays around long enough MC will himself push for a move although it’s commendable signs of that happening aren’t apparent yet. If he’s wanted enough he would have left by now like the others. I think other clubs have witnessed the exodus & it’s common knowledge we are hard up so somebody wants a bargain & truth be told they’ll probably get 1 the way things are.

SouthLondonexile · Post by **SouthLondonexile** » Sun Jul 31, 2022 10:51 am

I want to stay at Burnley FC, and play regularly.

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Sun Jul 31, 2022 10:54 am

agreenwood wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 31, 2022 7:44 am
If Cornet does stay, I wouldn’t be surprised if he struggled to get in the side consistently.

I think the energy level required to play the system plus the number of midweek games will see quite a bit of squad rotation (if we get the bodies in).

taio · Post by **taio** » Sun Jul 31, 2022 10:56 am

Jakubclaret wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 31, 2022 10:44 am
There’s a reason the clubs don’t want to pay the release clause it’s because they don’t think he’s worth it (whether we agree or not) they don’t else they’d pay it or they know we are desperate for the money & hoping something lower than 17.5 could be negotiated or hoping if the interest stays around long enough MC will himself push for a move although it’s commendable signs of that happening aren’t apparent yet. If he’s wanted enough he would have left by now like the others. I think other clubs have witnessed the exodus & it’s common knowledge we are hard up so somebody wants a bargain & truth be told they’ll probably get 1 the way things are.

It seems the negotiation is about how the fee will be structured - many reports that clubs are keen on phasing payments resulting in a fee higher than the release clause. It feels to me like he'll be gone imminently and the value will be at least the release clause. Time will tell.

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Sun Jul 31, 2022 10:59 am

taio wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 31, 2022 10:56 am
It seems the negotiation is about how the fee will be structured - many reports that clubs are keen on phasing payments resulting in a fee higher than the release clause. It feels to me like he'll be gone imminently and the value will be at least the release clause. Time will tell.

It will or another undisclosed to pacify the fanbase.

taio · Post by **taio** » Sun Jul 31, 2022 11:04 am

Jakubclaret wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 31, 2022 10:59 am
It will or another undisclosed to pacify the fanbase.

If he goes I reckon, if undisclosed, it'll become clear enough what the deal is and you'd think it will be widely reported at the release clause or more.

beeholeclaret · Post by **beeholeclaret** » Sun Jul 31, 2022 11:17 am

Just my view but as much as I want Burnley to do well and make the most of any business transactions (transfers) it is something way beyond my control and that of the supporters. If ALK are so desperate for the money surely they would eke out every pound from these sales. People saying we should’ve got a lot more for certain players don’t know what the actual figure is and the circumstances behind each transfer. I think we’ve done ok generally with monies received and reduced the wage bill significantly which will help to ease pressures as we are now on Championship money. Most of the players who have gone wanted to leave and will have had an agent pushing buttons along the way. To keep them we would have had to offer astronomical wages which would be out of step with many of the younger players which in turn would lead to discontentment.

I was brought up on the Burnley model of bringing in young players and after development selling them for a decent fee.. Nowadays we don’t get the cream of the crop so remotivating players who’ve not quite made the grade at top Prem clubs and up and coming lads from League one maybe the way forwards in the absence of a rich benefactor.

I’d love Cornet to stay but I would imagine his current situation could be a distraction for the manager.

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boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sun Jul 31, 2022 11:42 am

The manager wants more bodies in, we could get 3 for £17.5million.

Winstonswhite · Post by **Winstonswhite** » Sun Jul 31, 2022 12:13 pm

boatshed bill wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 31, 2022 11:42 am
The manager wants more bodies in, we could get 3 for £17.5million.

I think he said post match that he would be getting some of the McNeil money and with that he could bring in 3/4 players.

Jambo · Post by **Jambo** » Sun Jul 31, 2022 12:16 pm

Cannot believe I've just read Cornet wouldn't get in Burnley's team in the Championship having been our best player last season. What a post.

His future needs sorting asap tbh, he doesn't come across as someone who will be disruptive but it's not good for 'the group' to have someone not involved and expected to leave. Would be an incredible boost to keep him - would bag 20+ goals absolutely no danger at this level.

Stayingup · Post by **Stayingup** » Sun Jul 31, 2022 8:34 pm

alwaysaclaret wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 31, 2022 10:11 am
Duplicated sorry

Its a real pity we've got in this position. Needing to sell the like of Cornet after the other departures. Its disgraceful in my book.

what_no_pies · Post by **what_no_pies** » Sun Jul 31, 2022 10:25 pm

Jambo wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 31, 2022 12:16 pm
Cannot believe I've just read Cornet wouldn't get in Burnley's team in the Championship having been our best player last season. What a post.

I can't seebwhere anyone has said that so i'm struggling to believe that you read it too.

Top Claret · Post by **Top Claret** » Mon Aug 01, 2022 7:55 am

It needs resolving this week one road or tother then we can crack on with his replacement

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Mon Aug 01, 2022 8:46 am

Agree with those previous posters, this needs sorting ASAP, then we can decide who if anyone we're bringing in.

As good as we played on Friday, the bench was still thin in terms of quality, and given the 5 subs rule we really do need to supplement our options and add some depth.

Now if selling Max allows VK to get another 3-4 players through the door, plus gets another hefty salary of the wage bill then fine.

warksclaret · Post by **warksclaret** » Mon Aug 01, 2022 9:08 am

Sadly MC is not as much in demand as we had hoped. Newcastle I suspect have bigger players they would like ie Barnes of Leicester. Everton struggling to get round FFP and Notts Forest cannot agree terms with him. Cant see him going to the PL, as it would have happened by now.Can see the club taking a much lower offer or loan/obligation to buy offer