Fury v AJ

[KRBFC]

Called it bang on, Fury never wanted that fight with AJ.

[KRBFC]

Imagine if AJ would've fought Chisora instead of Usyk he'd have rightly received pelters

[ClaretPete001]

In reality, it made no sense for either of them.

AJ can probably knock over a couple with decent purses and still get a crack at a title fight in a couple of years-time. He is a big draw and would fill a big venue in this country and sell pay per view.

Fury really wants the big one against Usyk but people will pay to watch Fury knock over Derek Chisora.

Fury v AJ will happen in 3 or 4 years-time when both are on the decline and no longer title contenders.

In truth I think Usyk will give Fury quite a contest despite the size difference because both have good chins and can last a fight. It's then about who makes the cleaner shots and boxes for the points.

[bumba]

Called it bang on, Fury never wanted that fight with AJ.

Take your blinkers off, AJ and Fury wanted it. Eddie Hearn didn't want it because his cash cows ends when Fury beats him, blatently obvious what's happened how can you not see it.
It's happened we Fury and Wilder, Eddie Hearn doesn't want it because AJ loses

[IanMcL]

In truth I think Usyk will give Fury quite a contest despite the size difference because both have good chins and can last a fight. It's then about who makes the cleaner shots and boxes for the points.

Fury a giant and a half alongside Usyk. A few upper cuts will do a Foreman on Frazier.

[Milltown1882]

Take your blinkers off, AJ and Fury wanted it. Eddie Hearn didn't want it because his cash cows ends when Fury beats him, blatently obvious what's happened how can you not see it.
It's happened we Fury and Wilder, Eddie Hearn doesn't want it because AJ loses

Have you ever looked at Matchroom’s stable?

[KRBFC]

Take your blinkers off, AJ and Fury wanted it. Eddie Hearn didn't want it because his cash cows ends when Fury beats him, blatently obvious what's happened how can you not see it.
It's happened we Fury and Wilder, Eddie Hearn doesn't want it because AJ loses

Why has Fury been linked to fighting Charr, Chisora and Thor then? Eddie Hearn called his bullshit from the start, all publicity, the fight he really wanted was an easy fight against Charr/Chisora, the AJ publicity was all a tactic to take the heat off him choosing an easy fight.

[Milltown1882]

Why has Fury been linked to fighting Charr, Chisora and Thor then? Eddie Hearn called his bullshit from the start, all publicity, the fight he really wanted was an easy fight against Charr/Chisora, the AJ publicity was all a tactic to take the heat off him choosing an easy fight.

Chisora isn’t a link at this stage obviously. Think they swerved Charr after the public reaction.

In terms of the Chisora one anyone that wants to go out at 10.30pm in December in England to watch a scrappy fight with an obvious winner already baffles me.

[BurnleyFC]

I like Tyson Fury and think he’s the best in the division but he doesn’t come out of this looking good and I’ve no interest in watching him punch Chisora to a pulp.

It’d have been more interesting watching him compete for the WWE title.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Maybe Joshua should be looking for a new manager, they had weeks to sort the fight but it wasn't long enough. Chisora's camp managed it in a day or 2

Still Eddie's fanboys will believe all he says

[Quickenthetempo]

Chisora is a perfect opponent for a bum fight.

He will stand there and take a lot of punishment to make Fury look good, but won't just get sparked in the first round to leave fans feeling they wasted their money.

[ClaretPete001]

Fury a giant and a half alongside Usyk. A few upper cuts will do a Foreman on Frazier.

You think Usyk is going to walk into a Fury uppercut?

I agree Fury will likely win but you would expect it to be a decent fight.

[Shaggy]

Why has Fury been linked to fighting Charr, Chisora and Thor then? Eddie Hearn called his bullshit from the start, all publicity, the fight he really wanted was an easy fight against Charr/Chisora, the AJ publicity was all a tactic to take the heat off him choosing an easy fight.

Yet the team who didn’t sign the contract were matchroom. Even DAZN wanted it and was going to step aside to allow BT the rights in the UK.

Both fighters wanted it, Hearn doesn’t want another L as 3 in 5 currently and 4 from 6 would be a difficult sell to the casual fans who in the main make up AJs fanbase.

[IanMcL]

You think Usyk is going to walk into a Fury uppercut?

I agree Fury will likely win but you would expect it to be a decent fight.

I think Fury will just walk into Usyk and deliver.
With most, Usyk has a hood chance, however, Fury is another mountain further up!

[ClaretPete001]

I think Fury will just walk into Usyk and deliver.
With most, Usyk has a hood chance, however, Fury is another mountain further up!

Probably, he didn't do that against Pianeta and Wallin albeit he was on the come back trail.

And Wilder / Whyte are not in the same class as Usyk in terms of boxing but you could be right

[ClaretPete001]

Yet the team who didn’t sign the contract were matchroom. Even DAZN wanted it and was going to step aside to allow BT the rights in the UK.

Both fighters wanted it, Hearn doesn’t want another L as 3 in 5 currently and 4 from 6 would be a difficult sell to the casual fans who in the main make up AJs fanbase.

Good point and likely true but I can't see why Fury would want AJ when he could have an easy (ish) pay day against Chisora and then a unifying bout against Usyk, which he would be confident of winning.

Why risk all that against a boxer/bodybuilder with a knockout punch? Makes no sense.

[bumba]

Good point and likely true but I can't see why Fury would want AJ when he could have an easy (ish) pay day against Chisora and then a unifying bout against Usyk, which he would be confident of winning.

Why risk all that against a boxer/bodybuilder with a knockout punch? Makes no sense.

When was AJ's last knockout punch?

[bumba]

Why has Fury been linked to fighting Charr, Chisora and Thor then? Eddie Hearn called his bullshit from the start, all publicity, the fight he really wanted was an easy fight against Charr/Chisora, the AJ publicity was all a tactic to take the heat off him choosing an easy fight.

Because he wanted a tune up fight in December, he's limited who he can fight. Usyk wants March time, Fury wanted AJ and I personally believe at first AJ wanted Fury but Hearn has talked him out of it out of fear of losing his cash cow. Same reason he won't let him fight Wilder, he knows both end in defeats.
AJ to me just looks broken when he fights now.
Fury put the links out there to get the AJ contract signed but he couldn't do it in over 2 weeks, why not? Then soon as Fury has enough and moves on Hearn comes out the woodwork, the guys a fraud

[KRBFC]

Yet the team who didn’t sign the contract were matchroom. Even DAZN wanted it and was going to step aside to allow BT the rights in the UK.

Both fighters wanted it, Hearn doesn’t want another L as 3 in 5 currently and 4 from 6 would be a difficult sell to the casual fans who in the main make up AJs fanbase.

Tyson didn't allow them enough time to figure the deal out, putting stupid 24 hour deadlines and lying about when Matchroom received contracts.

[bumba]

Tyson didn't allow them enough time to figure the deal out, putting stupid 24 hour deadlines and lying about when Matchroom received contracts.

2 weeks was more than enough time, Chisora did it in less. Even ex boxers who are friends with AJ couldn't understand the delay and all came to the same conclusion that Hearn didn't want to risk it, he wants a few easier fights so he can carry on milking AJ. Hearns boxing world is slowly crumbling

[KRBFC]

2 weeks was more than enough time, Chisora did it in less. Even ex boxers who are friends with AJ couldn't understand the delay and all came to the same conclusion that Hearn didn't want to risk it, he wants a few easier fights so he can carry on milking AJ. Hearns boxing world is slowly crumbling

I don't think you're quite aware how deep Hearn's stable of fighters is if you think Hearn's entire income relies heavily on AJ.

[DuckworthsEA]

Because he wanted a tune up fight in December, he's limited who he can fight. Usyk wants March time, Fury wanted AJ and I personally believe at first AJ wanted Fury but Hearn has talked him out of it out of fear of losing his cash cow. Same reason he won't let him fight Wilder, he knows both end in defeats.
AJ to me just looks broken when he fights now.
Fury put the links out there to get the AJ contract signed but he couldn't do it in over 2 weeks, why not? Then soon as Fury has enough and moves on Hearn comes out the woodwork, the guys a fraud

Really enjoyed reading some of these posts. The comment ‘The guys a fraud’ interests me the most, just out of interest how is he a fraud?

FYI I’m a fan of both fighters so I guess I’m a fan boy of both.

[Milltown1882]

I don't think you're quite aware how deep Hearn's stable of fighters is if you think Hearn's entire income relies heavily on AJ.

https://www.matchroomboxing.com/boxers-2/

And people think Hearn just relies on AJ haha. The job Hearn has done over the years is phenomenal.

[KRBFC]

https://www.matchroomboxing.com/boxers-2/

And people think Hearn just relies on AJ haha. The job Hearn has done over the years is phenomenal.

Hearn's the best promoter in the game and it's not even close, he's modern and followed the UFC model of stacking the undercards, people want a night of competitive high level boxing, not 1 big name in the main event in a one sided fight and a bunch of filler crap on the undercard.

[IanMcL]

Probably, he didn't do that against Pianeta and Wallin albeit he was on the come back trail.

And Wilder / Whyte are not in the same class as Usyk in terms of boxing but you could be right

Fury is very clever at sussing a weakness.

Fury v Usyk just strikes me as a dead ringer for big George Foreman against the much smaller, tighter Joe Frazier. Foreman just punched right through the guard, where no one else could. Flattened poor old Joe!

This seems the same to me.

[Shaggy]

Hearn's the best promoter in the game and it's not even close, he's modern and followed the UFC model of stacking the undercards, people want a night of competitive high level boxing, not 1 big name in the main event in a one sided fight and a bunch of filler crap on the undercard.

Hearn is the master of BS and fake hype. AJ being a prime example. Building up an average boxer with overmatched opponents and faded fighters from the past and the fan boys swallow it.

I disagree with your assessment. Hearns cards are very similar to just about any other event. Old Fast car isn’t doing too well now he’s left sky.. Ben Shalom on the other hand.

[KRBFC]

Hearn is the master of BS and fake hype. AJ being a prime example. Building up an average boxer with overmatched opponents and faded fighters from the past and the fan boys swallow it.

I disagree with your assessment. Hearns cards are very similar to just about any other event. Old Fast car isn’t doing too well now he’s left sky.. Ben Shalom on the other hand.

I love this notion that because AJ lost to an incredible generational talent in Usyk that he's suddenly now a fraud and was never any good People are so stupid

Matchroom's cards are streets ahead of anyone else, not even remotely close. World Champions fighting on undercards. Hrgovic and Callum Smith were two of the fighters who featured on the undercard of Usyk AJ 2. Those two are headline acts for Warren and Shalom, neither have the stable deep enough to compete.

[ClaretPete001]

Fury is very clever at sussing a weakness.

Fury v Usyk just strikes me as a dead ringer for big George Foreman against the much smaller, tighter Joe Frazier. Foreman just punched right through the guard, where no one else could. Flattened poor old Joe!

This seems the same to me.

Fair points, the only things I would say that George Foremen was a puncher - Tyson Fury is an awkward boxer with a long reach he's not renowned as a puncher.

I would also say that Joe Frazier was more a Mike Tyson - a good infighter and Foreman just pushed him back with a longer reach and put him on the back foot. Like Deontay Wilder once on the back foot he just didn't know what to do.

Usyk has excellent ring craft and is a moving target not sure he's the same kind of fighter as Joe Frazier.

And of course Muhammad Ali knocked out George Foreman and he is the same size as Usyk albeit Foreman was not the size of Fury and Usyk is no ali.

[IanMcL]

Agree it is not clear cut, ClaretPete. Just the size of Fury will make a big uppercut very powerful on a smaller man.

Fury will look to do the simple thing and he certainly thought he could show AJ how to beat Usyk, using his size and greater power.

[ClaretPete001]

Agree it is not clear cut, ClaretPete. Just the size of Fury will make a big uppercut very powerful on a smaller man.

Fury will look to do the simple thing and he certainly thought he could show AJ how to beat Usyk, using his size and greater power.

I agree with you more than I agree with myself TBH. Fury is probably too big for Usyk and a much better boxer than AJ.

[IanMcL]

Good debate though!
He will probably just sit on him!