I just can't listen to any more

[SimonSays]

This season has been an absolute breath of fresh air. If we were to finish halfway in the league playing as we do I would be super happy. I just love what is happening with the club in such a short space of time.

The player brought in is all excellent and good enough to start. It's hard to describe how lucky I feel to have VK and this team to watch weekly. Win or lose.

I am finding it so difficult to listen to snipes about, bad defending, not getting stuck in, not direct enough blah blah blah.

I couldn't go tonight and had to give my ticket up. The friend I gave it to text me the exact following at the half time

"dead game this no ones being positive off the ball
always that one pass too many instead of playing it out wide straight away they’ll pass it along the back and by the time theyve finally made that pass zarourys been closed down on the wing
more people need to get in the box and need to cross it first time rather than cutting back"

I just can't believe the mentality of the fans. Is it just a general cluelessness amongst fans? Maybe fans who do not know much about football at all are saying such comments. You should all enjoy what you see. If you are moaning about things currently with us top of the league playing fluid football, with a fantastic young squad still learning, then I am afraid you are never going to be happy. Maybe just give your head a wobble or give the job as a supporter up.

[arise_sir_charge]

Our crowd react much differently when we are behind in a game. There is literally zero patience shown and some of the jeering for a misplaced pass tonight was embarrassing.

[Shaggy]

Tell you what though give me a last min 3-2 victory playing like we do than sitting back getting battered for 89 mins and knicking a goal via a hoofball method.

[SimonSays]

Our crowd react much differently when we are behind in a game. There is zero patience shown and some of the jeering for a misplaced pass tonight was embarrassing.

Exactly this. It was the same against Reading. I honestly think quite a few of the crowd do not have a clue. They are just using it to get out of the house and have a few beers. It will most likely be the same at every club. It is just so annoying when you have something special though and the mentality of the crowd is not to appreciate what we have. Maybe it is just my old age that is being less tolerant of those around me but I find it incredibly annoying.

[Hibsclaret]

Couldn’t agree more. We have absolutely nothing to complain about, nothing at all. What this team has done in a few short months is nothing short of incredible, They get you off your seat every game. It’s only about 3 weeks ago after a couple of draws someone said the natives aren’t happy. I get it might be difficult for some to appreciate the change from a rigid team to an expansive one but if you have any complaints about this team you should change to another sport.

[Swizzlestick]

Am I missing something? There was some frustration shown at misplaced passes - any crowd in world football would show frustration at their team losing the ball, it’s a natural human reaction. I thought even when behind, the fans got behind the team and the atmosphere was, and has been, great, with the majority supportive of what we’re trying to do.

Some weird reactions on this board to last night’s game. First we were lucky, even though we dominated on every conceivable metric and now our fans are shite.

[Burnley1989]

Exactly this. It was the same against Reading. I honestly think quite a few of the crowd do not have a clue. They are just using it to get out of the house and have a few beers. It will most likely be the same at every club. It is just so annoying when you have something special though and the mentality of the crowd is not to appreciate what we have. Maybe it is just my old age that is being less tolerant of those around me but I find it incredibly annoying.

I've said on another thread, I really think we are getting carried away and expect to pass teams off the park every week with no mistakes, some fans are starting to get very arrogant and when you read other sides forums, I'm reading that quite a lot.
We're becoming the Man Utd of the championship lol:

[Burnley1989]

Am I missing something? There was some frustration shown at misplaced passes - any crowd in world football would show frustration at their team losing the ball, it’s a natural human reaction. I thought even when behind, the fans got behind the team and the atmosphere was, and has been, great, with the majority supportive of what we’re trying to do.

Some weird reactions on this board to last night’s game. First we were lucky, even though we dominated on every conceivable metric and now our fans are shite.

I guess it depends where you sit mate, there certainly was near me.

[taio]

I'm hearing little moaning this season around where I sit at Turf Moor. Obviously occasional gripes like there are at every ground up and down the country. The cluelessness and negativity tends to be more a feature of the match day thread on here.

[fatboy47]

I'm hearing little moaning this season around where I sit at Turf Moor. Obviously occasional gripes like there are at every ground up and down the country. The cluelessness and negativity tends to be more a feature of the match day thread on here.

100% this.
Nearly all the whingeing whining carping grumbling micro-analytical wet-fannying cold water I've seen has been on here.
It's been an awesome season so far, and it's getting better all the time...theres a buzz around the place now and I'm barely hearing a negative word apart from the tripe on here.

[Steve1956]

I'm hearing little moaning this season around where I sit at Turf Moor. Obviously occasional gripes like there are at every ground up and down the country. The cluelessness and negativity tends to be more a feature of the match day thread on here.

The simple reason I rarely post on the match day thread,.. their opinions change by the minute and some of them make quite dicks of themselves.

[SouthLondonexile]

I am sorry this has been your experience.
I’ve moved seats to escape such moaners. In fact I recommend anyone who is looking for new seats in great viewing areas, check out why they have miraculously become available.
I also suggest that there should be part of the ground restricted for moaners only. They really do create bad feeling and make a terrible atmosphere.
I’m guessing this is someone in the James Hargreaves Stand.

[arise_sir_charge]

I am sorry this has been your experience.
I’ve moved seats to escape such moaners. In fact I recommend anyone who is looking for new seats in great viewing areas, check out why they have miraculously become available.
I also suggest that there should be part of the ground restricted for moaners only. They really do create bad feeling and make a terrible atmosphere.
I’m guessing this is someone in the James Hargreaves Stand.

The bloke near me in the JHU is insufferable. I’m constantly telling him to stop moaning.

We have fantastic seats but I feel a move could be due.

[Neil]

I think the home crowd has improved in general as the season has gone on. In the early games there was a far higher percentage collectively groaning and yelling "get in forward" when we maintained our possession approach. There is much more patience being shown and an understanding of Kompanys tactics is evident.
But as a few have said above, you'll always get a few not happy until we are mistake free and winning 5-0 every week.

[tiger76]

Bizarre that some fans aren't buying into what Vincent Kompany and this vibrant young squad are delivering.

Are they perfect no, but the good outweighs the bad tenfold.

1 defeat all season, still unbeaten at home, 5 points clear at the top of the league, and playing some great footy and scoring some cracking goals.

Other teams are allowed to impact the game when they play us as Rotherham certainly did last night, however once again despite not being at our best we pulled another terrific result out of the fire.

[Nori1958]

As others have said most of the moaning gets done on here

Other than the occasional groan at a misplaced pass I haven't heard any discontentment on the ground this season, yet we have another poster coming on here, calling Burnley fans clueless. Very classy.

[daveisaclaret]

If my mate text me a crap football opinion I'd just call him a drongo instead of starting a thread on a messageboard about how bad Burnley fans are

[Quickenthetempo]

You could hear the crowd quite well on the red button last night, but I wouldn't say it came over negative.
A lot of moaning at the ref in deep Lancashire accents.

What did come accross well was the CF end getting right behind the lads when Rotherham scored. Superb stuff.

[Bosscat]

I posted this on one of the threads moaning last night about our "young fantastic team"

https://www.uptheclarets.com/messageboa ... 3#p1943223

Yes its frustrating when we make mistakes ... but heads don't drop they just keep going ... but some on here seem to want us to lose, just so they can say "See I told we was sh*t, I was right and you was wrong"

Coming off the Turf was magic last night ... I want more "times like these"

[Woodleyclaret]

A great result with booing aimed at Rotherhams playacting "injuries"That said Corks dithering while decided when to play a pass is irritating with players in attacking positions ignored infavour of a back or sideways move
We are entertainers and when fans see us slowly advancing they understandably get annoyed.
We put up with crap last season and nobody wants a return to that style

[Zlatan]

After the Reading game whilst walking back up along Belvedere Road towards Queen Vic I heard an old fella, who was doddering along with his walking stick, tell his companion "Burnley were rubbish, all this fancy passing about will get us nowhere... that's why we didn't win today...". I informed him that we did in fact win and he didn't believe me! His response... (and I sh!t you not) "b0ll0cks, we can't have won, we were rubbish"

There is a special kind of stupid mentality that can't recognise how good we already are and how great we have the potential to be.

[4midable]

This season has been an absolute breath of fresh air. If we were to finish halfway in the league playing as we do I would be super happy. I just love what is happening with the club in such a short space of time.

The player brought in is all excellent and good enough to start. It's hard to describe how lucky I feel to have VK and this team to watch weekly. Win or lose.

I am finding it so difficult to listen to snipes about, bad defending, not getting stuck in, not direct enough blah blah blah.

I couldn't go tonight and had to give my ticket up. The friend I gave it to text me the exact following at the half time

"dead game this no ones being positive off the ball
always that one pass too many instead of playing it out wide straight away they’ll pass it along the back and by the time theyve finally made that pass zarourys been closed down on the wing
more people need to get in the box and need to cross it first time rather than cutting back"

I just can't believe the mentality of the fans. Is it just a general cluelessness amongst fans? Maybe fans who do not know much about football at all are saying such comments. You should all enjoy what you see. If you are moaning about things currently with us top of the league playing fluid football, with a fantastic young squad still learning, then I am afraid you are never going to be happy. Maybe just give your head a wobble or give the job as a supporter up.

Tell him hes not having your ticket again and to go and support accy

[Stayingup]

When people go to a football match they pay their money and they are allowed an opinion and comment. If you dont like either move or wear some ear plugs.

[Stalbansclaret]

When people go to a football match they pay their money and they are allowed an opinion and comment. If you dont like either move or wear some ear plugs.

Err...yes. But isn't a major point of this message board to discuss/debate these opinions ! I personally have moved my seat to escape a combination of moaners and having to repeatedly stand up for people who spend minutes 40-45 and 46-48 in the concourse.

[ClaretPete001]

Err...yes. But isn't a major point of this message board to discuss/debate these opinions ! I personally have moved my seat to escape a combination of moaners and having to repeatedly stand up for people who spend minutes 40-45 and 46-48 in the concourse.

I think a post telling people to give up being a fan is not really encouraging debate.

The irony is that a post that criticises the polemical nature of fandom then descends into polemics and hyperbole itself.

As others have pointed out in the absence of anything to moan about some are still moaning and others are moaning about those who are moaning.

Go figure.

[Stayingup]

Err...yes. But isn't a major point of this message board to discuss/debate these opinions ! I personally have moved my seat to escape a combination of moaners and having to repeatedly stand up for people who spend minutes 40-45 and 46-48 in the concourse.

Yes I know what the message board is for and I have offered my opinion as have these 'annoying' fans. I do agree some fans can be annoying and its unlucky if your sat amongst them but this is football. It happened toour group but the 'annoyance' removed themselves when it became clear they were not welcome.

[Jellybean]

Thought the atmosphere was a bit disappointing first half, was expecting lots of songs particularly following on from that brilliant result on Saturday. As others have said, many of our team are learning and only young, we need our home ground to be a beacon of positivity, backing them with ever run and pass they make... they will surely thrive off the encouragement, not have prior groaning at them!

[Zenwisdom]

Enjoying the football breath of fresh air
We have good players and they will only get better 5
are on loan but the manager will attract more talent if need be very positive

[boyyanno]

This season has been an absolute breath of fresh air. If we were to finish halfway in the league playing as we do I would be super happy. I just love what is happening with the club in such a short space of time.

The player brought in is all excellent and good enough to start. It's hard to describe how lucky I feel to have VK and this team to watch weekly. Win or lose.

I am finding it so difficult to listen to snipes about, bad defending, not getting stuck in, not direct enough blah blah blah.

I couldn't go tonight and had to give my ticket up. The friend I gave it to text me the exact following at the half time

"dead game this no ones being positive off the ball
always that one pass too many instead of playing it out wide straight away they’ll pass it along the back and by the time theyve finally made that pass zarourys been closed down on the wing
more people need to get in the box and need to cross it first time rather than cutting back"

I just can't believe the mentality of the fans. Is it just a general cluelessness amongst fans? Maybe fans who do not know much about football at all are saying such comments. You should all enjoy what you see. If you are moaning about things currently with us top of the league playing fluid football, with a fantastic young squad still learning, then I am afraid you are never going to be happy. Maybe just give your head a wobble or give the job as a supporter up.

I find posts like these just as damaging as fans who moan.

It's nonsense of the highest order to suggest results aren't important and suggesting that even if we get beat or play poorly that people aren't entitled to have an opinion on it is just strange.

I'm all for supporting the team through thick and thin, but saying we played well every week regardless of performance or result would be bizarre.

[NRC]

Was audible, but is it a groan, as in toned as a complaint groan, or is it a groan toned in an “if only” kind of way, but just sounds like a groan because it’s in a thick Lancashire accent?

[CrosspoolClarets]

Negativity says more about the person uttering it than the person referred to. We support a fairly downtrodden area, and this does come across on here and in the stands at times. I try not to be too condescending about negative folk, they may have had a naff run of luck for all I know.

Saying that though, objective comments about defending (or attacking) mistakes is just part of chatting about the game but there has to be balance. The defending last night was woeful, nobody knows that more than the players, what I don’t like is when folk use it as a broad sweep to criticise the player in general not just their error at that time.

[FeedTheArf]

Our crowd react much differently when we are behind in a game. There is literally zero patience shown and some of the jeering for a misplaced pass tonight was embarrassing.

I think part of it is they're a victim of their own success.

I keep going back to that Huddersfield performance and that first half was absolutely blistering.

If you know they can't do it, then you can deal with it.

If you know full well what they're capable of and they don't do it, that's where frustration sets in.

In retrospect I don't think we played badly last night. I think Rotherham did a good job of stopping us play.

I just wish we'd play the ball into space more instead of into feet - we have soooo much pace in this team and everytime we give someone something to run on to we look so much more dangerous!

[Rowls]

I can well understand the frustration of the mainly younger set who and invigorated by the new style of football. It’s certainly much easier to watch than the worst of what we played under Dyche.

If I might be able to articulate my worries about this side: we can be extremely weak at the back. We’re easily panicked and forced into mistakes by an organized high press. We don’t man mark well enough from corners and set pieces. (I’m not even sure we man mark at all, think we’re “zonal marking”). We give the ball away in dangerous positions far too often.

I’d like to put this into context though: there’s a difference between constructive criticism and whingeing.

At the start of the season the list of things worrying me was much longer.
* Not creating enough clear cut chances
* Muric fannying about with the ball
* inability to hold onto leads - possible mental weakness?
* Making too many unnecessary passes when a -good- direct ball was on

All of the above have been cleared up, most notably the worry about mental weakness. It doesn’t necessarily mean we’ve learned to hold on to leads but to see clear and evident progress and improvement is fantastic.

We’ve probably been spoiled in recent years by the standard of defending. That won’t make much sense to those who were sick of our style under Dyche but defending is an integral part of the game.

The problem we have with the goals we’re conceding is that so many of them are avoidable. One or two have come from us giving teams a chance on a plate. Many more of them come from simple break always where players are not tracked down and marked. Several come from poor marking at set pieces and/or a failure to clear lines.

These are all avoidable. That’s our frustration.

It’s not like conceding against Man City. We are conceding “up and under” goals against the likes of Rotherham and Blackpool.

The real worry is that unless the general improvements we’ve seen in other areas of the pitch start to apply to our defending, then our weaknesses at the back could undermine all of the breathtaking football we’re all enjoying.

This isn’t a silly Dyche vs VK thing. I was equally worried about things not clicking in the first half of our last championship season at this level back in 2015. I was fuming after Hull away and we all remember what happened after that result. 23, 23 undefeated…

We have recruited BRILLIANTLY in the summer and it’s not outrageous to expect players who are clearly talented above the level we’re playing at to be organized to a level fitting to their ability.

Our defence singularly fails to work as an effective unit.

Some on here do sometimes sound like they’re sniping. But it’s not always the case - there is plenty of room for improvement at the back.

Most encouragingly, there are signs that a lot of the early problems we witnessed as the side bedded in have already been addressed. I’m not convinced that this applies to our defence as much as it has to other areas of game.

In the mean time, we’re 1 defeat in 19, sitting pretty 5 points clear at the top of the league.

Plenty to be positive right now for us!

UTC

[123EasyasBFC]

There’s been some shocking fans on turf this season, bloke behind me last night was shouting Gudmunsson get a move on’ whilst Rotherham where about to take a throw, don’t know what he expected gudmunsson to do

[IanMcL]

After the Reading game whilst walking back up along Belvedere Road towards Queen Vic I heard an old fella, who was doddering along with his walking stick, tell his companion "Burnley were rubbish, all this fancy passing about will get us nowhere... that's why we didn't win today...". I informed him that we did in fact win and he didn't believe me! His response... (and I sh!t you not) "b0ll0cks, we can't have won, we were rubbish"

There is a special kind of stupid mentality that can't recognise how good we already are and how great we have the potential to be.

You have to remember, he set off at half time, to get that far.

[helmclaret]

The negativity around where I sit in the JMU is incredible.

It’s a young, new exciting team that is dominating nearly every game and the moaning and groaning is ridiculous.

I think the brand of football is fantastic and I’m enjoying going in games more than I have for years.

Some of the comments from the last two games;

‘We aren’t going to score passing it along the half way line Bellis!!!’

‘Get it bloody launched forward Muric!!’

‘Get it in the bloody box!!!’

‘This isn’t the club I know anymore’

[RVclaret]

The negativity around where I sit in the JMU is incredible.

It’s a young, new exciting team that is dominating nearly every game and the moaning and groaning is ridiculous.

I think the brand of football is fantastic and I’m enjoying going in games more than I have for years.

Some of the comments from the last two games;

‘We aren’t going to score passing it along the half way line Bellis!!!’

‘Get it bloody launched forward Muric!!’

‘Get it in the bloody box!!!’

‘This isn’t the club I know anymore’

Highlighted the most bizarre one, what even is this?

[helmclaret]

No idea

[Casper]

The only thing worse than people moaning about people moaning is people moaning about people moaning.

[helmclaret]

I can’t stand people moaning about people moaning about people who are moaning

[clarethomer]

My tip is that you can hear what people say but you can choose how you react to it and ignoring it is usually the best way.

Hearing someone a few rows behind me booing the knee last night was just one of those instances also. Personally, I felt they were a disgrace and there is just no need for it - but I duly ignored it and didn't let it spoil my night. Fans have different opinions and views about football, both on and off the field so that's naturally going to happen and I accept that.

In terms of what we are seeing though - its nothing but fantastic. Watching the games are really engaging and more enjoyable. Yes it's easy to say how the team could do things differently when you're sat/stood on the sidelines and have a different view of the pitch to the players on it. The 1st half last night was probably one of the lesser performances we have seen but I was still believing that we could turn it around.

That said, its football - they are humans and this league is one where teams are known for being inconsistent. It's easy to lose the bigger picture stuff in the middle of a game but there is no reason for any fan to be complaining about what VK has done this season for this club. I never doubted that he was the incorrect choice for this club on paper but I was never expecting him to get it right so soon either.

Just keep enjoying the ride everyone - UTC.

[Casper]

I can’t stand people moaning about people moaning about people who are moaning

I could but I won’t

[Darnhill Claret]

Well I think the players are feeling the mood as you would expect them to. Not sure Benson usually cups his ears after he scores but he did last night. Thinking positively I’m gonna think that he was inviting the fans to cheer louder.

[Rowls]

I just can’t listen anymore to anyone who claims there’s no problem with

Our defending from corners
Our defending from set pieces
Our defending from long throws
Losing the ball at the back
Gifting the opposition chances

We’ve got a highly talented squad.

Whoever is the defensive coach needs to up their game or be sacked. No excuse for unchallenged headers in our own box.

[agreenwood]

Balance, perspective and context arent in the lockers of a lot of posters on here judging by the reaction to our second defeat in 20 games.

[Milltown1882]

I just can’t listen anymore to anyone who claims there’s no problem with

Our defending from corners
Our defending from set pieces
Our defending from long throws
Losing the ball at the back
Gifting the opposition chances

We’ve got a highly talented squad.

Whoever is the defensive coach needs to up their game or be sacked. No excuse for unchallenged headers in our own box.

It’s tough being bottom of the league isn’t it.

[Woodleyclaret]

Spot on Rowls.We bought a dominant 6'4 cb from Oxford , McNally yet he doesn't get on.Why Charlie wasn't on a half-time as it was clear we needed a ball winning cb
But we move on.Crawley up next then another home win in the league.

[AGENT_CLARET]

We have some real bed wetters on here

[ksrclaret]

Balanced, sentient fans can acknowledge how well we go forwards (the team have had enough praise for it so far) and also acknowledge there are some big issues at the back and have been clear all season.

Sheff Utd exposed them ruthlessly, but it's not like it wasn't expected.

It's like the fans who said we were fine today at half-time because we were winning. Balanced supporters could see if we wanted it to stay that way, we had to change something. It's the same with our league position.

[LoveCurryPies]

Sad day but a reality check. Manager and players to refocus, assess what happened and move on.

We are seeing some fabulous football from our team, but not in the second half today. We are still top of the league and so much to look forward to.

How many of you thought we would be top at this point at the start of the season? I didn’t.