Sheff U vs Burnley Match Thread

superdimitri · Post by **superdimitri** » Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:12 pm

dvalley69 wrote: ↑
Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:07 pm
We can have a lightweight defence who aren't tall, if that's how VK wants to play. What that means though is you need a really commanding keeper who can command his six-yard box and give the defence confidence that he's gonna take everything that comes into the box, and relieve some pressure. Unfortunately, he's not that type of goalkeeper hence we have these types of games

Edit: we need a new goalkeeper January to rectify this deficit in the team, it's a real weak link.

I think it's easy to point fingers at Muric but he's done a lot more today to defend our lead than anyone else. The defence has been atrocious. You can't blame the goalkeeper when players are being unmarked left right and centre.

Casper · Post by **Casper** » Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:12 pm

FCBurnley wrote: ↑
Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:11 pm
Sounds like Barnes might have taken his bat home. Was ready to come on then went to dressing room !!

Good hopefully seen last of him

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:13 pm

Sharp on. Let's hope he doesn't have an idea!

FCBurnley · Post by **FCBurnley** » Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:13 pm

Eventually playing with only 2 defenders is gonna find you out especially against a big physical team

jedi_master · Post by **jedi_master** » Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:13 pm

Roberts not fancying a 90/10 in his favour due to the World Cup there?

ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:13 pm

Goalposts wrote: ↑
Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:11 pm
A lot to unpack once the dust settles from this ,

Absolutely.

Some people can't see past the fact we're top of the league, but we won't stay there if we continue to defend like we do. Something definitely needs changing back there.

Casper · Post by **Casper** » Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:13 pm

superdimitri wrote: ↑
Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:12 pm
I think it's easy to point fingers at Muric but he's done a lot more today to defend our lead than anyone else. The defence has been atrocious. You can't blame the goalkeeper when players are being unmarked left right and centre.

A keeper who can’t catch a ball brilliant

Croydon Claret · Post by **Croydon Claret** » Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:13 pm

Wake up call today

SydneyClaret · Post by **SydneyClaret** » Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:13 pm

This is the Championship. All teams throw one of these in every now and again. We’re due one. VK knows where the weaknesses are. We’re still top and a long way to go.

Ampth7 · Post by **Ampth7** » Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:13 pm

At least VK should know what to work on in training!! Defensive corner practice anyone?

claretinkorea · Post by **claretinkorea** » Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:14 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:12 pm
I don’t agree, THB and Beyer haven’t been great in stopping the first header. However, You can not deny that Muric has been a liability here. How many corners has he given away because he can’t come out and claim the ball.

Fair to say the entire defensive unit hasn't been worthy of the name today...

Cubanforever · Post by **Cubanforever** » Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:14 pm

Bit of a wake up call this, we haven't turned up today....bullied all over the pitch, I'm sure VK will have the right words ready for them

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:14 pm

Goalposts wrote: ↑
Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:11 pm
A lot to unpack once the dust settles from this ,

Strangely, this could prove to be a good thing.

We’ve a big lesson to learn from this - the players and probably VK too. We’ve been suckered by a half decent, physical, typical championship side. That’s not a criticism of Sheffield United, it’s what a lot of team in this division are like and we’ve struggled to deal with it.

Hell, this was us in years gone by.

Robbo1882 · Post by **Robbo1882** » Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:14 pm

I don’t want to see Muric in a Burnley shirt again

criminalclaret · Post by **criminalclaret** » Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:14 pm

scamander wrote: ↑
Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:08 pm
This second half was essentially me vs my nephew on FIFA last Boxing Day. I hadn't ever played it and was on my second bottle of red.

I've given up getting mad on this thread, I'm sure VK will tear then a new one.

Today wasn't just a "bad day at the races" but it was more a reaffirming what's we've seen for the last few games, a very weak defense.

And I'm not having all of this thrown at Muric because that's unfair, the back 5 + Muric have been turd....infact Muric could have stopped it being 8-2

Claretforever · Post by **Claretforever** » Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:15 pm

We’ve been bullied all over the pitch today. Shockingly bad. We look like little boys lost, looking for a leader.

tarkys_ears · Post by **tarkys_ears** » Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:15 pm

These linos are clueless

JohnDearyMe · Post by **JohnDearyMe** » Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:15 pm

Croydon Claret wrote: ↑
Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:13 pm
Wake up call today

New keeper and bigger centre half in January please!

Murger · Post by **Murger** » Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:15 pm

SydneyClaret wrote: ↑
Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:13 pm
This is the Championship. All teams throw one of these in every now and again. We’re due one. VK knows where the weaknesses are. We’re still top and a long way to go.

Does he? Everyone has been able to see this defence just cannot defend, and it’s not a surprise to see this happening.

expoultryboy · Post by **expoultryboy** » Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:15 pm

These lot are a big physical bunch , and in hindsight maybe we should of gone with more experienced players such as Taylor , Roberts, JBG and even Barnes . Hopefully just a blip and we'll be back to our best next week .

ClaretinJapan · Post by **ClaretinJapan** » Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:15 pm

**** poor that. bullied and toothless.

LTUK89 · Post by **LTUK89** » Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:16 pm

After Muric’s horror show in the first half Heckingbottom’s team talk was easy. He’s simply not good enough. He made a few saves after 65 minutes but the damage was already done. Get him dropped.

Starting Tella up front on his own against 3 big CB’s is absolutely crackers n’all. VK has got to learn from this.

burnleymik · Post by **burnleymik** » Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:16 pm

Linos have been absolutely woeful too.

MancunianClaret · Post by **MancunianClaret** » Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:16 pm

Robbo1882 wrote: ↑
Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:14 pm
I don’t want to see Muric in a Burnley shirt again

Be 9-2 without him. Whole backline to blame.

tarkys_ears · Post by **tarkys_ears** » Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:17 pm

Games not over yet

gandhisflipflop · Post by **gandhisflipflop** » Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:17 pm

This is the type of performance where the players are locked in the dressing room and given a dressing down at full time. That second half performance was abysmal

ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:17 pm

Murger wrote: ↑
Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:15 pm
Does he? Everyone has been able to see this defence just cannot defend, and it’s not a surprise to see this happening.

That's the thing that concerns me the most. We've been mostly appalling at dealing with crosses all season, it's just we've had so much possession we don't give that many away. But when we do, we look dire.

When I saw the team at 11:30, I knew exactly what would happen today. A repeat of West Brom away, but on steroids. So it's proved.

CombatClaret · Post by **CombatClaret** » Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:17 pm

Robbo1882 wrote: ↑
Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:14 pm
I don’t want to see Muric in a Burnley shirt again

Bye

clive40golf · Post by **clive40golf** » Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:17 pm

Tbh, credit to Sheff utd management. They created the perfect blueprint to beat us! Hopefully he doesn’t pass it on to the other championship managers!

SydneyClaret · Post by **SydneyClaret** » Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:18 pm

And the other thing…pretty much every single marginal decision has gone against us today. Offsides, dodgy corners and I’ve counted at least 10 occasions where their players are holding ours in the box. Doesn’t excuse defending but pretty sure Darren Bond is a Blackburn fan.

Zlatan · Post by **Zlatan** » Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:18 pm

I’d be trying to sign Foderingham in January

tarkys_ears · Post by **tarkys_ears** » Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:18 pm

Close from bellis

Now the clowns are feigning injury when 3 goals up

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:18 pm

Looking at the positives, Benson is in the form of his life ahead of the biggest game of the season next week.

jedi_master · Post by **jedi_master** » Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:18 pm

The big fear now is that every team is going to go Pulis era Stoke against us now, as it will work.

We don’t have an answer to it within our squad.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:19 pm

ksrclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:17 pm
That's the thing that concerns me the most. We've been mostly appalling at dealing with crosses all season, it's just we've had so much possession we don't give that many away. But when we do, we look dire.

When I saw the team at 11:30, I knew exactly what would happen today. A repeat of West Brom away, but on steroids. So it's proved.

I still think we are by far the worst team in the division when it comes to dealing with crosses and corners.

CombatClaret · Post by **CombatClaret** » Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:19 pm

3 points clear at the top, the first defeat in 14 games.

Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. Thrilled to be where we are, bad game, move on.

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:19 pm

Charlie in for Maatsen, for me.
We have to stiffen this defence up.

Vino blanco · Post by **Vino blanco** » Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:19 pm

I'll repeat what I've said countless times on here since the season started, vito and maatsen sre poor defensive fullbacks. We need to start with Lowton/Roberts and Taylor at rb and lb. We also need height at centre back against teams like this.

Zlatan · Post by **Zlatan** » Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:19 pm

SydneyClaret wrote: ↑
Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:18 pm
And the other thing…pretty much every single marginal decision has gone against us today. Offsides, dodgy corners and I’ve counted at least 10 occasions where their players are holding ours in the box. Doesn’t excuse defending but pretty sure Darren Bond is a Blackburn fan.

Indeed, let’s not forget McBurnie should have been off for elbowing Beyer in the head too.

No excuse for poor defending though

AshevilleNCClaret · Post by **AshevilleNCClaret** » Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:19 pm

clive40golf wrote: ↑
Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:17 pm
Tbh, credit to Sheff utd management. They created the perfect blueprint to beat us! Hopefully he doesn’t pass it on to the other championship managers!

Its not a complicated blueprint. I think to our advantage, no other team in the championship is as big/physical as Sheffield. Also, I think Brownhill, Roberts, and Jay Rod would have helped defend corners better.

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:19 pm

clive40golf wrote: ↑
Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:17 pm
Tbh, credit to Sheff utd management. They created the perfect blueprint to beat us! Hopefully he doesn’t pass it on to the other championship managers!

Sadly, I don’t think any passing on is needed.

All they need to do is watch the highlights and that’s without the teams of analysts that they will all have.

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:19 pm

SydneyClaret wrote: ↑
Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:18 pm
And the other thing…pretty much every single marginal decision has gone against us today. Offsides, dodgy corners and I’ve counted at least 10 occasions where their players are holding ours in the box. Doesn’t excuse defending but pretty sure Darren Bond is a Blackburn fan.

Come on Sydney be honest, they haven’t at all. It’s a poor ref that has given them some and us some.

Robbo1882 · Post by **Robbo1882** » Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:20 pm

MancunianClaret wrote: ↑
Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:16 pm
Be 9-2 without him. Whole backline to blame.

He hasn’t claimed any ball, doesn’t inspire any confidence, flaps can’t catch or punch, he’s stealing a wage

Ampth7 · Post by **Ampth7** » Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:20 pm

I think the manager has to accept some of the responsibility here.
It was clear to see at half time that we needed more players who can actually win a header when defending and that they were going to launch it in the box every time!

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:20 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:12 pm
I don’t agree, THB and Beyer haven’t been great in stopping the first header. However, You can not deny that Muric has been a liability here. How many corners has he given away because he can’t come out and claim the ball.

What are you talking about?

Muric has been shaky and nervy but we haven't conceded from the corners/long throws he's flapped at.

Commy · Post by **Commy** » Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:20 pm

They are experienced players. He might have been better going with our experienced players in defence. Done now so put it to bed and start again.

superdimitri · Post by **superdimitri** » Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:20 pm

This has to be the biggest case of scapegoating I've ever seen. How you can blame the goalkeeper today when our defenders aren't even marking is beyond me.

Sure Muric has a bad command of the area and poor handling but you can't blame him for the goals which were just down to poor defending.

claretinkorea · Post by **claretinkorea** » Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:20 pm

Think it is fair to say that this nightmarish performance has been thoroughly induced by the intensity of Sheffield in the second half. Sometimes just have to say that the opponent was better otherwise this would be happening every week. While our defence has always been a little suspect it is forunate that there are few sides as good as them in the league...

lucs86 · Post by **lucs86** » Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:21 pm

We've been useless with the ball since Bastien went off, completely unable to get up the pitch and give them any defending to do. Bad substitution.
Sheff Utd haven't done anything differently, it's just that the set pieces that threatened in the first half have gone in in the second.

Wokingclaret · Post by **Wokingclaret** » Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:21 pm

If BPF is off in January, then that is the excuse to sign a keeper