Southgate

[Rileybobs]

So anyone who is honest and who don’t agree are sad and tragic? Wow you must be a joy in meetings. I am not aware of anyone wishing England to fail.

That’s not what I said is it. You must be inaccurate in meetings.

[elwaclaret]

That’s not what I said is it. You must be inaccurate in meetings.

Yes I’m known for lack of reasoning. Must be why I have been invited to do my Doctorate before starting my Masters

[Rileybobs]

Yes I’m known for lack of reasoning. Must be why I have been invited to do my Doctorate before starting my Masters

Oh I didn’t know about your academic status, I don’t think you’ve mentioned it before.

[elwaclaret]

Oh I didn’t know about your academic status, I don’t think you’ve mentioned it before.

Have I not, must have been an oversight

[Tricky Trevor]

I’m sorry, but why is it cowardly to play for a draw if a draw is all we need? Imagine had we gone hell for leather for a late winner and conceded on the break, teeing up an unnecessarily perilous game against Wales.

Southgate is a pragmatist, in much the same way Dyche is. And like Dyche it is not always the most pleasing on the eye, or what the fans want to see, but results show that it leads to overachievement.

I doubt Southgate’s wife would even claim he’s a tactical genius, his shortcomings are clear to see - as are his strengths. What is quite tragic is the large number of people on here willing the national team to fail because they don’t like him and are desperate to be proven right, having been proven wrong over the last two tournaments. A lot of people would prefer to say ‘I told you so’ than enjoy the satisfaction of the national team doing well. Like I say, pretty tragic, and a sad way to live your lives.

It’s cowardly because only Pulisic from that USA squad would get anywhere near the England team. Dyche was pragmatic playing lower standard players against World class guys every week. There was no need for GS to be like that. All he had to do was tell them get out and beat this side and you are through. As it is we are still not through and the Yanks had chances to win the game late on that would have made him look an idiot.
BTW. I never want England to lose. I just consider this guy a loser. When he goes into club management we’ll get a better idea of his level. Personally I think he’ll be a disaster.

[milkcrate_mosh]

All he had to do was tell them get out and beat this side and you are through.

Can't believe none of the england managers in my lifetime have thought of doing this.

[Rileybobs]

Can't believe none of the england managers in my lifetime have thought of doing this.

Southgate will kick himself in years to come when he looks back on his England career and wonders why he didn’t tell his players just to go out and score more goals than the other team.

[Swizzlestick]

It’s cowardly because only Pulisic from that USA squad would get anywhere near the England team. Dyche was pragmatic playing lower standard players against World class guys every week. There was no need for GS to be like that. All he had to do was tell them get out and beat this side and you are through. As it is we are still not through and the Yanks had chances to win the game late on that would have made him look an idiot.
BTW. I never want England to lose. I just consider this guy a loser. When he goes into club management we’ll get a better idea of his level. Personally I think he’ll be a disaster.

He may be poor at club management - that’s because it’s very different to international management. It’s why Joachim Loew was pretty rubbish at club management but won a World Cup. If Southgate is a loser for taking us this far in international tournaments, Christ knows how you’d describe every single England manager since 66 because their record is worse.

[IanMcL]

You’re quite correct
Lucky he’s not Scottish. Imagine being saddled with that lot.

That's twice.

Once I ignored.

Don't do it again.

[Juan Tanamera]

He may be poor at club management - that’s because it’s very different to international management. It’s why Joachim Loew was pretty rubbish at club management but won a World Cup. If Southgate is a loser for taking us this far in international tournaments, Christ knows how you’d describe every single England manager since 66 because their record is worse.

But Southgate is a loser, like previous England managers apart from Ramsey.
He's won nothing.

[dougcollins]

But Southgate is a loser, like previous England managers apart from Ramsey.
He's won nothing.

Yep, he's won nowt.

[Padiham2022]

He’s a bit safe isn’t he

[Padiham2022]

He’s a bit safe isn’t he

[Rileybobs]

But Southgate is a loser, like previous England managers apart from Ramsey.
He's won nothing.

Is Vincent Kompany a loser in managerial terms?

[Juan Tanamera]

Is Vincent Kompany a loser in managerial terms?

Yes he was with Anderlecht but well done for squeezing in the 'managerial' bit.
We'll not mention trophies won as players.
Although why you brought Kompany in to the debate only you know.

[dougcollins]

Is Vincent Kompany a loser in managerial terms?

Pretty disingenuous that. His 2nd season is it?

And he'll win something this season.

[Rileybobs]

Yes he was with Anderlecht but well done for squeezing in the 'managerial' bit.
We'll not mention trophies won as players.
Although why you brought Kompany in to the debate only you know.

Well being a football manager and a football player are two totally different jobs, so obviously I’ll distinguish between the two.

I brought Kompany into the debate as you called Southgate a loser because he’s never won anything as a manager. So by that rationale Vincent Kompany is a loser, that’s not my claim, it’s yours.

Only very few managers win major international tournaments, the idea that those who don’t are ‘losers’ is just silly.

[Rileybobs]

Pretty disingenuous that. His 2nd season is it?

And he'll win something this season.

Kompany has had 2 seasons to win something, Southgate has had 2 tournaments to win something.

[Volvoclaret]

You’re quite correct
Lucky he’s not Scottish. Imagine being saddled with that lot.

That's cruel Pete, whatever people think of GS no man deserves that.

[bfcjg]

Southgate has been blessed that the academies have turned out some pretty decent English footballers after years of great coaching,tuition, fitness and technique training; all he has to do is put a winning team together and inspire them. International football is about winning not necessarily about entertaining that is for domestic teams,however you do require some entertainment and I'm sure some of our more gifted players who he seems to stifle want to impress on the biggest stage in football.
I'm adamant with a more attack minded manager we would have got to the world Cup final and we'd have won the Euros by building on a one nil lead not sitting back.

[boatshed bill]

Is Vincent Kompany a loser in managerial terms?

That's a bit of a cheap shot. No point in that comparison.

[Rileybobs]

That's a bit of a cheap shot. No point in that comparison.

It’s not even a shot. The comparison is simple, if someone thinks that Southgate is a loser because he hasn’t won a major international tournament then it stands to reason that they’d also think Kompany is a loser for not winning any domestic trophies.

[bfcjg]

It’s not even a shot. The comparison is simple, if someone thinks that Southgate is a loser because he hasn’t won a major international tournament then it stands to reason that they’d also think Kompany is a loser for not winning any domestic trophies.

When you're in a hole stop digging.

[boatshed bill]

It’s not even a shot. The comparison is simple, if someone thinks that Southgate is a loser because he hasn’t won a major international tournament then it stands to reason that they’d also think Kompany is a loser for not winning any domestic trophies.

No. In real terms Kompany has only just got on the managerial ladder, GS has been on it for years

[Juan Tanamera]

Well being a football manager and a football player are two totally different jobs, so obviously I’ll distinguish between the two.

I brought Kompany into the debate as you called Southgate a loser because he’s never won anything as a manager. So by that rationale Vincent Kompany is a loser, that’s not my claim, it’s yours.

Only very few managers win major international tournaments, the idea that those who don’t are ‘losers’ is just silly.

World Cup semi final - Lost
Euro final - Lost
So by my rationale he's a loser.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Some of you are absolutely amazing with your sheer desperation to put down the current England manager who's been the best one we've had since the bloke who won the world cup.

[Rileybobs]

World Cup semi final - Lost
Euro final - Lost
So by my rationale he's a loser.

Can’t you see how ridiculous that is?

Think about this. If your son became the England manager and took a side to a World Cup semi final would you think of him as a loser? Have your kids got to the same level in their profession that Southgate has in his? Are they losers?

Sure, you can call this comparison stupid, a few people have already got very touchy with me using a comparison with Vincent Kompany. But you’re creating a whole new definition of the word ‘loser’ in a cheap attempt to deride Southgate. It’s just plain silly.

[bfcjg]

Rileybobs, have you got a vested interest in keeping Gareth in the job ? Nice little money spinner perhaps ?

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[Rileybobs]

Rileybobs, have you got a vested interest in keeping Gareth in the job ? Nice little money spinner perhaps ?
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[Swizzlestick]

That's a bit of a cheap shot. No point in that comparison.

How is it a cheap shot? It’s absolutely fair. You could argue it’s a cheap shot calling out the most successful England manager in decades as a ‘loser’ but this crosses the line?

As I said previously, there’s a debate to be had about Southgate’s conservatism in games and his tactical picks - I’m as baffled as anyone by Foden’s exclusion - but the attempts to denigrate his achievements at major tournaments have been **** poor, to be honest, and I’m unsure why people are doing it.

Part of me does think they don’t actually like him as a person and what he stands for, and this is clouding their judgement - the usual suspects smirking about taking the knee last night- but I appreciate this doesn’t apply to everybody.

[Juan Tanamera]

Can’t you see how ridiculous that is?

Think about this. If your son became the England manager and took a side to a World Cup semi final would you think of him as a loser? Have your kids got to the same level in their profession that Southgate has in his? Are they losers?

Sure, you can call this comparison stupid, a few people have already got very touchy with me using a comparison with Vincent Kompany. But you’re creating a whole new definition of the word ‘loser’ in a cheap attempt to deride Southgate. It’s just plain silly.

So anything that disagrees with your train of thought is 'ridiculous, plain silly and cheap.'

Then you bring my son into the equation.
For comedy value alone I'll give 9/10.
Anything else from you is just ridiculous, plain silly and cheap.
Keep on digging.

[Elizabeth]

The point should be enough to get us through the group.

The performance was awful and that is the talking point from last night.

Southgate has not prepared the squad well enough to make us look like we are a team that can threaten to win this World Cup. We saw enough proof of that last night.

There will be many teams more potent than USA and that’s when we will be eliminated.

[boatshed bill]

How is it a cheap shot? It’s absolutely fair. You could argue it’s a cheap shot calling out the most successful England manager in decades as a ‘loser’ but this crosses the line?

As I said previously, there’s a debate to be had about Southgate’s conservatism in games and his tactical picks - I’m as baffled as anyone by Foden’s exclusion - but the attempts to denigrate his achievements at major tournaments have been **** poor, to be honest, and I’m unsure why people are doing it.

Part of me does think they don’t actually like him as a person and what he stands for, and this is clouding their judgement - the usual suspects smirking about taking the knee last night- but I appreciate this doesn’t apply to everybody.

No point in even giving your response the time of day.
And I'm sure you know that. I neither like or dislike GS by the way, and I don't believe I've ever called him a loser.
Please don't bother replying to this post, it would be absolutely pointless.

[Rileybobs]

So anything that disagrees with your train of thought is 'ridiculous, plain silly and cheap.'

Then you bring my son into the equation.
For comedy value alone I'll give 9/10.
Anything else from you is just ridiculous, plain silly and cheap.
Keep on digging.

‘Keep on digging’ = you don’t have an answer.

Shame, as you’re named after my favourite Cuban player.

[Swizzlestick]

No point in even giving your response the time of day.
And I'm sure you know that. I neither like or dislike GS by the way, and I don't believe I've ever called him a loser.
Please don't bother replying to this post, it would be absolutely pointless.

Call me Richard Osman then because I’m replying. You can do whatever you like with my response - and I never said you did directly call him a ‘loser’ - I was pointing out the double standards re cheap shots about Southgate and Kompany.

[Juan Tanamera]

‘Keep on digging’ = you don’t have an answer.

Shame, as you’re named after my favourite Cuban player.

I'm fairly sure I answered you on more than one occasion.


Shame, as you're named after one of my favourite motions.