Benson and Zaroury - how many millions?

[MrTechno]

Regarding championship transfer fees I think the highest are Watkins (just a bit under the £30 mill mark) and Benrahma (between £30 - £35 mill mark)

[ClaretAndJew]

These players will basically smash our debt to pieces.

[Darthlaw]

until you take into account their sell on fees.

Nevertheless, worry about keeping them till the summer, then worry about how much we'll recoup. One thing is for certain, I have confidence VK will find adequate replacements when they do eventually go.

[Chester Perry]

Our model now is to buy and sell on at a profit. I wouldn't be surprised to see one leave in the summer if a silly offer came in.

Not that I'd want it though

I cannot remember the last time this wasn't our model, only Sean Dyche may have really thought any differently, even then I am not totally convinced, I suspect there was an element about not being able to have the replacements he wanted. And I agree it would not be a huge surprise to see at least one of them sold in the summer.

We have to pay off the debt as there is no guarantee of PL football for any sustained period.

These players will basically smash our debt to pieces.

I suspect it is more likely that we will refinance the debt, there are more signings needed if we are to retain Premier League status, and the owners will want to invest more into growing non-tv revenues

Also what would be of greater benefit to the club than paying off the MSD debt would be for the owners to repay the club the monies it has borrowed from them - ideally not using the club's money in doing so.

Though it is more likely that they will borrow more money from the club first to fund the final stage payment and possibly the purchase of the remaining shares from the original sellers - these will be higher priorities to the owners than paying off the MSD debt as that is how they have arranged the timeline.

until you take into account their sell on fees.

Nevertheless, worry about keeping them till the summer, then worry about how much we'll recoup. One thing is for certain, I have confidence VK will find adequate replacements when they do eventually go.

It would be great to understand exactly what kind of agreements are in place on all our recent signings - there will be conditional payments on promotion and now Zaroury is a full international you would assume there was a conditional payment there too.

Also very few clubs find an endless production line of recruits when selling in the volumes that VK has had to in recent years, this is also something well established in our own club's history, and we effectively invented the model some 60+ years ago.

[Nipples]

Can we please give Benson a proper song. My personal favourite is the one to You Are My Sunshine.

You are my Benson,
My Manuel Benson
Etc

[Tricky Trevor]

The £100m+ for being in the PL should ensure they are here next season. They will surely increase in value with the ability they both possess. We know we are a selling club so finding replacements is a priority.

[agreenwood]

Our model now is to buy and sell on at a profit. I wouldn't be surprised to see one leave in the summer if a silly offer came in.

Not that I'd want it though

That’s always been our model, but interest and resale value is different when the players you are signing are mid-late 20s.

[4midable]

Our model now is to buy and sell on at a profit. I wouldn't be surprised to see one leave in the summer if a silly offer came in.

Not that I'd want it though

Even if we did sell for a decent wedge youd like to think VK has an eye for another to replace. And the cycle continues

[IanMcL]

I would like to thank we will rebuild a side for them Prem, rather than sell those most likely to do that.

[arise_sir_charge]

I think any deals we did for Benson and Zaroury will be more in our favour than the deals we did when in the Prem
For the likes of Collins etc.

We have brought these players in from relative obscurity so I can’t see there being huge sell on clauses or promotion clauses.

[Swizzlestick]

I think there’s a 20% sell on clause with Zaroury.

[NRC]

Benson looked a little unhappy / frustrated at full time. Hopefully not got a niggle It fid coincide with Anas’s song being sung again, perhaps he doesn’t feel the same love from the stands (his song doesn’t get the constant renditions) , even though we all know it’s there.

I thought exactly the same thing… in fact I was urging our traveling fans, via my tv, to start singing Manny’s chant

[HiThere]

I thought exactly the same thing… in fact I was urging our traveling fans, via my tv, to start singing Manny’s chant

Zaroury also looked to be limping.

[Swizzlestick]

I thought exactly the same thing… in fact I was urging our traveling fans, via my tv, to start singing Manny’s chant

He said on Instagram he was down today because it was the birthday of ‘Leonard P’ who he was paying tribute to under his shirt.

[Claret Till I Die]

That’s always been our model, but interest and resale value is different when the players you are signing are mid-late 20s.

Probably for high 90% of the time I'd agree but recently we were told that we didn't need to sell. Also previously there was one little gem that we'd have to sell whereas now we've several around the starting XI that could be cherry picked by the bigger clubs as a money maker for us.

[Passing Clouds]

Sublime, supreme, special players.

Zaroury's second is genuinely one of the best goals I've seen a Burnley player score. Double megs?!

Just watched the replay. Agree that Zaroury 2nd goal is a bit special.

[AfloatinClaret]

The £100m+ for being in the PL should ensure they are here next season. They will surely increase in value with the ability they both possess. We know we are a selling club so finding replacements is a priority.

Get promoted in May, have those two set the PL alight through until Christmas garnering enough points along the way to see us in the top half of the table, sell both for squillions in January and use the money to clear all our debts whilst wheeling their replacements out of the back cupboard to play out the season and maintain our place in the premiership. Job done.

[Chester Perry]

Get promoted in May, have those two set the PL alight through until Christmas garnering enough points along the way to see us in the top half of the table, sell both for squillions in January and use the money to clear all our debts whilst wheeling their replacements out of the back cupboard to play out the season and maintain our place in the premiership. Job done.

even if these two did do that and were sold for squillions I am not seeing debts being paid off immediately or in the near future - that is the difference between fans and business owners.

[houseboy]

Yet another thread about how much we can sell our best players for. Ever considered if they combined together to keep us in the PL for 2/3 years they’d be worth far more with us than selling them?
It’s those pound signs in the eyes fans who think Burnley FC is a bank. Tiresome.

[AfloatinClaret]

...I am not seeing debts being paid off immediately or in the near future...

Agreed. But irrespective - within reason - what's done with the additional money, getting it into the Pace fronted empire somewhere would leave me feeling we were financially more secure.

[Stalbansclaret]

Rather than speculate about how much we can sell them for we should celebrate the brilliance of our recruitment and really enjoy having these two on board. They are very special players and a big part of why we re currently looking forward to every game so much. They also both seem to be really good characters ...It's impossible to watch Zaroury in particular either play OR be interviewed without smiling.

[AfloatinClaret]

Yet another thread about how much we can sell our best players for... It’s those pound signs in the eyes fans who think Burnley FC is a bank. Tiresome.

As opposed to those tiresome fans with a rose tint in their eyes who can't grasp the concept that Burnley FC along with every other football club is a commercial entity and not computer game.

[houseboy]

As opposed to those tiresome fans with a rose tint in their eyes who can't grasp the concept that Burnley FC along with every other football club is a commercial entity and not computer game.

A commercial entity indeed. At what point exactly was football sold? No rose tinted spectacles here my friend. Just a terrible feeling of loss because football has been sold to the money men and so many fans go along with it. We get a player and someone on here immediately posts a thread about his sell on value. That’s not football bud, it’s bloody Monopoly. Fans, allegedly, of big clubs who believe they have a right to everything because their owners are dodgy billionaires who can buy players not because they need them but just to stop other clubs having them. Corporate greed has taken over and the game is worse, far worse, for it. Whatever happened to the fun bud? It’s great just now at Burnley but what the hell did we have to put up with visually in order to get the PL millions?
I love Burnley FC and have done for many years and have spent much hard earned cash in the past watching them home and away but if I sound disillusioned now it’s because I am. Say what you like about the way I think but never think I am niaive or look through rose tinted glasses, it’s quite the opposite, I am cynical in the extreme about what is happening to the game I love. I despise the PL and the money involved because I have seen what it has done to the game and maybe it will never happen but I’d love to see Sky (and any other backers) pull the plug and watch the fall out from that.
Anyway that’s a rant from me. I’m sure many in here will disagree but I think many also will agree. I mean nothing personal toward anyone on here and everyone is entitled to their view, this has been mine.

[Cooclaret]

Agreed. But irrespective - within reason - what's done with the additional money, getting it into the Pace fronted empire somewhere would leave me feeling we were financially more secure.

I think, should we be promoted, we will see a summer of large external investment into the club.

[yTib]

agree with most of above. cynical to think of selling our best and most exciting players.

[basil6345789]

Because we have a scouting team that don’t believe the myth that these types of player are unaffordable and cost millions upon millions. Long overdue and I am loving it

Who is in the scouting team?

[AfloatinClaret]

....many in here will disagree but I think many also will agree...

No, you get my vote. I'm sure the players, agents and others working in the game wouldn't generally agree, but for most (all?) of the supporters, that influx of vast sums of money and the resulting manipulations and shenanigans utilised to get the biggest share of that money, have done the game no good whatsoever. But like it or not, if BFC are to continue and survive, that financial arena as much as the pitch is where they've got to compete.

[houseboy]

No, you get my vote. I'm sure the players, agents and others working in the game wouldn't generally agree, but for most (all?) of the supporters, that influx of vast sums of money and the resulting manipulations and shenanigans utilised to get the biggest share of that money, have done the game no good whatsoever. But like it or not, if BFC are to continue and survive, that financial arena as much as the pitch is where they've got to compete.

Sadly you are right. I know we have to play the money game, it just angers me that we do.

[dsr]

Agreed. But irrespective - within reason - what's done with the additional money, getting it into the Pace fronted empire somewhere would leave me feeling we were financially more secure.

There's no reason to suppose that, once the Pace empire have repaid all their debts, they won't continue taking as much as possible out of the club as profit. Remember they're in it for one reason only, and that's to make money. If they decide that selling the best players so they can take the money is still the best option, then that's what they'll do.

[AfloatinClaret]

I think, should we be promoted, we will see a summer of large external investment into the club.

Me too; cynical perhaps - but that's the way of business in the modern game - but it strikes me that subject to our form continuing, this summer might be the optimum time for Alan Pace and his associates to look to take their profit and dispose of the club?
Aside from the monies that they've presumably extracted already, with a stellar season like we're having on the CV, a squad of young/exciting players and VK and his coaching staff still contracted to us, we must be a far more appealing/valuable/saleable proposition than the club which they bought from Mike Garlic.

[HiThere]

but it strikes me that subject to our form continuing, this summer might be the optimum time for Alan Pace and his associates to look to take their profit and dispose of the club?

Absolutely not. We're at the start of the upward curve under Kompany.

[tiger76]

A commercial entity indeed. At what point exactly was football sold? No rose tinted spectacles here my friend. Just a terrible feeling of loss because football has been sold to the money men and so many fans go along with it. We get a player and someone on here immediately posts a thread about his sell on value. That’s not football bud, it’s bloody Monopoly. Fans, allegedly, of big clubs who believe they have a right to everything because their owners are dodgy billionaires who can buy players not because they need them but just to stop other clubs having them. Corporate greed has taken over and the game is worse, far worse, for it. Whatever happened to the fun bud? It’s great just now at Burnley but what the hell did we have to put up with visually in order to get the PL millions?
I love Burnley FC and have done for many years and have spent much hard earned cash in the past watching them home and away but if I sound disillusioned now it’s because I am. Say what you like about the way I think but never think I am niaive or look through rose tinted glasses, it’s quite the opposite, I am cynical in the extreme about what is happening to the game I love. I despise the PL and the money involved because I have seen what it has done to the game and maybe it will never happen but I’d love to see Sky (and any other backers) pull the plug and watch the fall out from that.
Anyway that’s a rant from me. I’m sure many in here will disagree but I think many also will agree. I mean nothing personal toward anyone on here and everyone is entitled to their view, this has been mine.

Agree with a lot of what you say houseboy, sadly football sold it's soul when the PL was formed,

Just enjoy Benson/Zaroury well we can because they will undoubtedly move on at some stage, although I'd hope we can keep hold of them for at least 1 PL season, firstly that would give us a greater chance of survival, secondly if both impress in the top flight then their values will only increase.

Like you I detest the PL money train, however for Burnley to compete we do need that income I'm afraid.

Looking at this from a positive slant we do now have players that are attracting interest and will generate us profit to reinvest in our squad.

[AfloatinClaret]

Absolutely not. We're at the start of the upward curve under Kompany.

It was Warren Buffet who when asked what was the 'secret to his success' replied: "I always sell too early." If Burnley get promotion and make a good start in next season's Premiership, VK will be getting poached by this time next year by someone with deeper pockets, after which ???