Muric

[Stayingup]

An interesting sub plot is that we are still after Anderlecht goalkeeper Bart Verbruggen , who we just missed out on in the summer, so allegedly now are liverpool according to Nixon. Was VK after this lad to be first choice as opposed to back up and bfp on the way out as some suspected in the early part of the season. BFP has done well when coming on and whilst not having the range of passing of muric has done ok. Does VK think we need a different goalie for the prem ?. Just speculating obviously, but the fact we are still chasing this lad probably speaks volumes,

I would think VK, like many, think we do need a better goalkeeper when we are promoted.

[It Is What It Is]

At the end of the first half as he walked of , he looked towards the bench and VK and you could see in his eyes he was in deep ****.

Yes I could see Muric bricking it as he lip read VK ""....you wucking fanker!"

[IWOODLOVETT]

I would describe Muric as a “fragile goalkeeper” - mentally fragile and physically fragile.

By mentally fragile I mean that his confidence levels are his weakness - he’s fine when he’s got time on the ball and can pick a pass or if he needs to make a save from outside the box. Keepers are always the nearest players to the crowd and consciously or unconsciously pick up the comments/abuse from behind the goal (home and away games).

By physically frail I mean than he avoids physical contact. With the build that he has this should not be the case and he should not be scared of a ‘collision’, but he is.

Nearly every goal conceded with him in the nets has been either a goalmouth scramble, from a set piece or as we saw last night from a 50/50 situation.

He is still young and most goalkeepers ‘mature’ in their late 20’s into their 30’s like Nick Pope, Tom Heaton etc. So Muric will be one of the greats when he learns his trade. He needs a crash course in hardening up, but in the meantime he will be targeted as a dodgy keeper.

[Nori1958]

For the stats guys

How many goalkeepers have been subbed three times in a season?

[scamander]

I would describe Muric as a “fragile goalkeeper” - mentally fragile and physically fragile.

By mentally fragile I mean that his confidence levels are his weakness - he’s fine when he’s got time on the ball and can pick a pass or if he needs to make a save from outside the box. Keepers are always the nearest players to the crowd and consciously or unconsciously pick up the comments/abuse from behind the goal (home and away games).

By physically frail I mean than he avoids physical contact. With the build that he has this should not be the case and he should not be scared of a ‘collision’, but he is.

Nearly every goal conceded with him in the nets has been either a goalmouth scramble, from a set piece or as we saw last night from a 50/50 situation.

He is still young and most goalkeepers ‘mature’ in their late 20’s into their 30’s like Nick Pope, Tom Heaton etc. So Muric will be one of the greats when he learns his trade. He needs a crash course in hardening up, but in the meantime he will be targeted as a dodgy keeper.

This is a very good point. Goalkeepers have historically been known as the more 'out there' in terms of their character and this is no doubt in part due to the requirement. Ball playing goalies need an extra level (e.g. Pickford). My bigger concerns relate to his handling. abd there is no question that bigger demands will be made of him if we are in the PL.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

For the stats guys

How many goalkeepers have been subbed three times in a season?

Wasn't he subbed each time due to injury?

[quoonbeatz]

He was subbed last night because BPF is more of a threat from corners.

[Nori1958]

Wasn't he subbed each time due to injury?

Yes....which is the reason for the question, it's not something that normally happens with goalkeepers

[basil6345789]

We need a Billy Mercer to help him

[Carwin261]

Only Sheffield Utd have conceded less than us ,he can’t be that bad .

[Stantheman]

Muric will be a liability in the prem.in the championship we dominate possession and the opposition have limited chances.in the prem it will be totally different and his actual goalkeeping defensive abilities will be tested far more and unfortunately he falls a lot short in that important department.we need somebody with his undoubted passing ability to continue the way we play and to have more physical presence in his area.it won't be cheap to find but vk needs to priotise this in summer to continue to play we do

[MancunianClaret]

He had a fine game on Saturday - in fact, he was integral to our victory. Last night he made an error. Keeps make errors, that's simply a part of the game.

Muric's still young, he wears the badge, and he's our number one and I think supporters should be getting behind him rather than disparaging him. The biggest endorsement he can receive overall however is the fact that VK picks him week in, week out - and nobody is in a position to question VK's judgement at this point in time.

[Claret Toni]

Only Sheffield Utd have conceded less than us ,he can’t be that bad .

He's part of a team that dominate possession with a reasonably strong defence. It's a collective thing.

Yes, he's not that bad, but is he premiership level?

[KRBFC]

He's part of a team that dominate possession with a reasonably strong defence. It's a collective thing.

Yes, he's not that bad, but is he premiership level?

Probably not but there's not many 23 year old GKs who are.

[JTClaret]

He made a clanger. Though before the game, after his Preston performance, I did say he'd be due a massive mistake - obviously, I hoped to be wrong, and didn't actually expect it to be the next game. My lad even said 'well, there's that mistake you said ha'.

His 'traditional' goalkeeper skills leave a lot to be desired. However, he's a very young lad (for a keeper), on his game and he is a huge asset, and it was noticeable that Watford's keeper gave the ball back to us nearly every single time.

Sadly, there will always be fans that can't see this as they are too busy waiting for a mistake so they can say 'I told you, he should have lumped it forward'. At least the vast majority of fans can see what he offers without the higher level of traditional keeper skills. Muric has shown fans a different style, and most are much less nervous about it compared to the start of the season.

[Nori1958]

He made a clanger. Though before the game, after his Preston performance, I did say he'd be due a massive mistake - obviously, I hoped to be wrong, and didn't actually expect it to be the next game. My lad even said 'well, there's that mistake you said ha'.

His 'traditional' goalkeeper skills leave a lot to be desired. However, he's a very young lad (for a keeper), on his game and he is a huge asset, and it was noticeable that Watford's keeper gave the ball back to us nearly every single time.

Sadly, there will always be fans that can't see this as they are too busy waiting for a mistake so they can say 'I told you, he should have lumped it forward'. At least the vast majority of fans can see what he offers without the higher level of traditional keeper skills. Muric has shown fans a different style, and most are much less nervous about it compared to the start of the season.

His traditional goalkeeping skills leave a lot to be desired, as you say, but its these skills that will be required more next year
I don't think people are waiting to say I told you so.... Just pointing out the bloomin obvious

[Vegas Claret]

The over reaction when he makes a mistake is genuinely sad

[claretcarrot93]

The over reaction when he makes a mistake is genuinely sad

Some people cant wait for him to make a mistake

[123EasyasBFC]

Don’t quite understand people comparing muric to pope, completely opposite goalkeepers. But at the age of 23/24 pope was nowhere near championship level and nobody would ever of thought he would become an international. Muric is playing a role that he’s been told to play and will make mistakes, the blame should be on the GK coach if he’s not being coached on catching or shot stopping.

Personally think muric has made some very important and brilliant saves, 2 at home to Blackpool, last min at home to Norwich and the pen save at home to Boro come to mind.

The one thing that does frustrate me is that muric seems to forget he’s 6ft 6, think once’s he’s confident enough to command the box he will be a fantastic keeper

[NRC]

There are possibilities
1. Injured - we'll never know
2. Bollocked and subbed - it will never be admitted
3. Tactical change - not sure what tactical advantage would be gained by the switch, particularly as the 2nd half would inevitable have been played in Watford's half
4. He has said/admitted his head had "gone" - we'll never know because VK would never put that out
5. VK thought his head had gone - we'll never know because VK would never put that out, but IMHO is the most likely

Bottom line is there is a lot of unsolvable conjecture and very little to go on. It'll get a bit pointless after a while and people realize it

[Belgianclaret]

Don't understand the agenda against Muric.

The guy is a legend in the making

Made an error yesterday, but if you ask me the goal could have been avoided in case Maatsen had covered their goalscorer a bit closer after the melee.

He is still young and learning, and should impose his posture a bit more in the box, but other than that he is an important cog in VK's system.

[Swizzlestick]

It definitely looked like something was up in that first half - whether it was illness or just not being quite with it for whatever reason. He was more wayward than you'd expect with his passing, even when not under pressure, and just looked out of sorts. My hunch is VK has seen this and taken him out of the firing line.

I like him a lot - he's a curate's egg, he's unusual (for us), and he obviously needs to work on some things, but he's a big part of the reason we are where we are, so at the very least deserves support and hopefully we can mould his current attributes with a bit more steel/improved decision making and we'll have a seriously impressive GK on our hands.

[warksclaret]

Having slept on things , as you always see it differently the next day, it was not so much the mistake that Muric made, but the type of howler. I think when he comes under pressure there is a big question mark on his decision making. I remember the howler in one of our first games this season when he ran out to the touchline and took out one of the opposition. It was reminiscent of Wayne Hennessy in the World Cup when he took someone out and got a red. For a guy built like the type you dont want to mess with, he seems scared to come out to a dangerous cross where he is going to be one on one with the head of one of the opposition. In a situation like last night Pope would have been out like a shot and headed it. Did anyone see his magnificent header v I think recently Saints in the World Cup- a very similar situation and he ran out of his box and challenged it like a CH. He absolutely wiped out their defender but it was fair and he did not even get spoken to.

The other thing I witnessed last night was a disconnect with the rest of the team, and no look of guilt from his gaff, no eye contact with the rest of the team, and no one in the team seemed to offer him any word of encouragement. Yet I see this connect with the rest of the team

Yes GK's make mistakes, its natural, but despite the guys ability to hit an 80 yard pass like an arrow to someone's feet, whenever he is in goal my fear is are we going to see more indecision, minute of madness which will cost us. I am not convinced that the rest of the team don't think like me. I hope Peacock Farrell is in goal against a physical Luton team, even if VK has to tell a white lie and state he is still recovering

[Taffy on the wing]

The over reaction when he makes a mistake is genuinely sad

Talk about Hero to Zero!.......he was going to be worth 50 million after Saturday.

[boatshed bill]

Having slept on things , as you always see it differently the next day, it was not so much the mistake that Muric made, but the type of howler. I think when he comes under pressure there is a big question mark on his decision making. I remember the howler in one of our first games this season when he ran out to the touchline and took out one of the opposition. It was reminiscent of Wayne Hennessy in the World Cup when he took someone out and got a red. For a guy built like the type you dont want to mess with, he seems scared to come out to a dangerous cross where he is going to be one on one with the head of one of the opposition. In a situation like last night Pope would have been out like a shot and headed it. Did anyone see his magnificent header v I think recently Saints in the World Cup- a very similar situation and he ran out of his box and challenged it like a CH. He absolutely wiped out their defender but it was fair and he did not even get spoken to.

The other thing I witnessed last night was a disconnect with the rest of the team, and no look of guilt from his gaff, no eye contact with the rest of the team, and no one in the team seemed to offer him any word of encouragement. Yet I see this connect with the rest of the team

Yes GK's make mistakes, its natural, but despite the guys ability to hit an 80 yard pass like an arrow to someone's feet, whenever he is in goal my fear is are we going to see more indecision, minute of madness which will cost us. I am not convinced that the rest of the team don't think like me. I hope Peacock Farrell is in goal against a physical Luton team, even if VK has to tell a white lie and state he is still recovering

For a full set of assumptions please look above

[Vegas Claret]

Talk about Hero to Zero!.......he was going to be worth 50 million after Saturday.

he still will be (at least)

Amazing how people haven't clocked that Allison an Ederson both cost their sides multiple times in their first few seasons and they cost more than our entire squad, one is 29 and the other 30. We are dealing with a lad here who is playing incredibly well for someone of his young age.

[Bosscat]

he still will be (at least)

Amazing how people haven't clocked that Allison an Ederson both cost their sides multiple times in their first few seasons and they cost more than our entire squad, one is 29 and the other 30. We are dealing with a lad here who is playing incredibly well for someone of his young age.

You only need look at De Gea at Yoontid as well ...

Yes Muric's howler last night was an awful one but ........

"In VK we trust" don't forget we have the 2nd best Goals Against record in the Championship and for most of those games Muric was in goal

[CoolClaret]

It’s genuinely embarrassing some of the comments people make on Muric.

Take a step back… We’re top of the champ absolutely flying, dominating teams, teams can’t press us properly & we run them ragged for 90 mins hence so many second half/late goals… just when they think they have us Muric splits the defence or pings one deep with pin point accuracy.

Second best defence in the league, could break the champ all time points record with a style of play where a ball playing keeper is essential but some people still think we’d be better if we had a Nick Pope in net

It’s genuinely ludicrous and shows just how little some people know about the game when they judge players on little errors rather than the bigger picture.

[Nori1958]

It’s genuinely embarrassing some of the comments people make on Muric.

Take a step back… We’re top of the champ absolutely flying, dominating teams, teams can’t press us properly & we run them ragged for 90 mins hence so many second half/late goals… just when they think they have us Muric splits the defence or pings one deep with pin point accuracy.

Second best defence in the league, could break the champ all time points record with a style of play where a ball playing keeper is essential but some people still think we’d be better if we had a Nick Pope in net

It’s genuinely ludicrous and shows just how little some people know about the game when they judge players on little errors rather than the bigger picture.

I know, fancy judging a goalkeeper by his actual goalkeeping ability

[NRC]

I know, fancy judging a goalkeeper by his actual goalkeeping ability

do we judge fullbacks on their actual fullbacking ability?

[Matt_Whalley]

He was ill last night. VK said. Seen as anything else is speculation and we will never know any different, let’s go with that.

I sat behind 4 numptys last night who were wanting Muric to make a mistake from minute one just so they could slag him off. I usually keep my cool but I lost it with them. 17 points clear, Muric was class just 3 days earlier, most enjoyable season for years, I can’t understand some folk!

[CoolClaret]

I know, fancy judging a goalkeeper by his actual goalkeeping ability

Thanks for proving my point entirely

[Nori1958]

do we judge fullbacks on their actual fullbacking ability?

We should do, just like we judge goal scorers by the goals they score

[mdd2]

Only Sheffield Utd have conceded less than us ,he can’t be that bad .

Not now

[Newcastleclaret93]

It’s genuinely embarrassing some of the comments people make on Muric.

Take a step back… We’re top of the champ absolutely flying, dominating teams, teams can’t press us properly & we run them ragged for 90 mins hence so many second half/late goals… just when they think they have us Muric splits the defence or pings one deep with pin point accuracy.

Second best defence in the league, could break the champ all time points record with a style of play where a ball playing keeper is essential but some people still think we’d be better if we had a Nick Pope in net

It’s genuinely ludicrous and shows just how little some people know about the game when they judge players on little errors rather than the bigger picture.

I’m not sure there would be much difference at this level who’s in goal. The way the team is set up we rarely even concede chances let alone goals.

Look at the Watford game second half BPF was a ghost he barely even had to touch the ball.

Next season will be a good indicator when we are the underdog. I would argue next season we would concede less with the likes of pope in goal.

[Pickles]

I’m not sure there would be much difference at this level who’s in goal. The way the team is set up we rarely even concede chances let alone goals.

Look at the Watford game second half BPF was a ghost he barely even had to touch the ball.

Next season will be a good indicator when we are the underdog. I would argue next season we would concede less with the likes of pope in goal.

Who plays in goal is really important to how this Burnley side plays. Whether that is Muric or not, it has to be someone who has the passing attributes Muric has in spades. Second half against Watford isn't a good example as we were camped in their half, and you could argue anyway that Peacock-Farrell wasn't involved as much because he isn't as good with the ball.

Surely anyone can see how often our posession and good attacking moments begin with Muric? Look at the Preston game and countless others. Will we get a new keeper for the Prem? Who knows. Quite possibly. Would it be someone who is better at the more traditional goalkeeper-y stuff as well as having excellent distribution? Of course. But then every club in the world wants one of those. The Muric criticism is way, way over the top.

[Stayingup]

Who plays in goal is really important to how this Burnley side plays. Whether that is Muric or not, it has to be someone who has the passing attributes Muric has in spades. Second half against Watford isn't a good example as we were camped in their half, and you could argue anyway that Peacock-Farrell wasn't involved as much because he isn't as good with the ball.

Surely anyone can see how often our posession and good attacking moments begin with Muric? Look at the Preston game and countless others. Will we get a new keeper for the Prem? Who knows. Quite possibly. Would it be someone who is better at the more traditional goalkeeper-y stuff as well as having excellent distribution? Of course. But then every club in the world wants one of those. The Muric criticism is way, way over the top.

BPF doesn't have tge passing attributes of Muric but he did fine and is a better GOALKEEPER and that is the main criteria.

[Claret Till I Die]

do we judge fullbacks on their actual fullbacking ability?

Not TAA it would appear

[burnleymik]

His only fault so far, for me, is his decision making. Seems fine with shot stopping and he is integral to our playing out from the back and dragging opponents into our game. Decision making will get better as he matures and gets more first team experience.

He will make mistakes, it's just how he recovers mentally from those mistakes.

Goalkeeping is so much about confidence, let's hope this is just a minor setback and he comes back and learns and grows further.

[Clive 1960]

I just hope it's not a mental issue with him when he makes a howler as he will get tested in the premiership that is for sure .

[Darthlaw]

Can we all just agree that Muric fits really well at the middle of a back three and has the size and gait to wear a GK shirt convincingly enough that you think he might be one?

[warksclaret]

https://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/1167087660?-919:978

[claretonthecoast1882]

https://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/1167087660?-919:978

I wouldn't pay too much attention to what a bitter notts forest fan thinks of him.

He played 4 games for Forest, aged 21 having previously played 1 first team game in his whole career anywhere. Might say a bit more about them that they decided to get on his back.

[Swizzlestick]

https://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/1167087660?-919:978

What a pathetic article.

[RVclaret]

https://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/1167087660?-919:978

if you really think you are proving a point by posting that garbage then I don't know what to say.

[IanMcL]

I would think VK, like many, think we do need a better goalkeeper when we are promoted.

I would hope so!

[CoolClaret]

I’m not sure there would be much difference at this level who’s in goal. The way the team is set up we rarely even concede chances let alone goals.

Look at the Watford game second half BPF was a ghost he barely even had to touch the ball.

Next season will be a good indicator when we are the underdog. I would argue next season we would concede less with the likes of pope in goal.

There’s a reason why we don’t concede chances and it’s our ability to keep hold of the ball which … wait for it…. Muric is a massive part of.

It’s weird how folk can watch 2/3 of a season, see teams really struggle to press us high and chase shadows with our goalkeeper effectively playing as an 11th outfielder, taking pressure off the defence and making himself available to then play ridiculous passes quickly to a free man to continue our attack and stretch the opposing defence.

[boatshed bill]

Some players get cut a load of slack, currently in vogue is Ashley Barnes. He hasn't found the net in over 300 minutes...
but "he's great at defending set pieces".

[CoolClaret]

This video is 2 months old so there’ll be a lot more to include - but just shows the sort of stuff that goes un noticed

https://youtu.be/myqg0HdXzKc

[Nori1958]

There’s a reason why we don’t concede chances and it’s our ability to keep hold of the ball which … wait for it…. Muric is a massive part of.

It’s weird how folk can watch 2/3 of a season, see teams really struggle to press us high and chase shadows with our goalkeeper effectively playing as an 11th outfielder, taking pressure off the defence and making himself available to then play ridiculous passes quickly to a free man to continue our attack and stretch the opposing defence.

Iam not sure what you are saying is weird, you don't really say

But, I haven't seen a single poster who has been critical of the points you make, what people have been critical of is his basic goalkeeping, a point you don't cover