Roberts v Trippier (tin hat on)

[Spiral]

Discussion on the Maatsen deserves a thread of its own. Possibly a controversial take. Give me your best shots.

In the Championship, ignoring Trippier's PL career exploits (which distort our perception of him playing for us), I think since the world cup Roberts has been a better Championship fullback than Trippier was for us.

There I said it.

[claretburns]

Absolutely not, I like Roberts and he has played brilliantly this 2nd half of the season but Trippier by far was the better "Championship" full back/wing back.

[Tricky Trevor]

It’s an opinion. Two different positions altogether.
Tripps was up and down his line supporting his winger and defending against a winger.
Roberts very rarely has a winger to defend against and has freedom to roam, as he showed with his goal at Boro.
We’ve been lucky to have both.

[Spiral]

Roberts' role is more physically demanding because he essentially plays two positions at once, and the concentration and tactical awareness needed to switch is more involved. Not saying Trippier couldn't also do hypothetically it, but Roberts has a more demanding job than Trips had, and he's been virtually faultless since December.

[Devils_Advocate]

The last time Trippier played at this level he made the PFA team of the year two seasons running. Roberts has had a good season but he's nowhere near Trippiers level

[aggi]

Didn't Trippier get about a dozen assists in his last championship season with us.

[Spiral]

Tripps was up and down his line supporting his winger and defending against a winger.
Roberts very rarely has a winger to defend against and has freedom to roam, as he showed with his goal at Boro.

When we press in numbers high up the pitch, if we don't immediately win the ball back it's usually pressed back to the oppo GK or it goes inside. What's interesting is how this intensity applies when the play goes wide out of possession, because we play like absolute animals to make sure the ball is recovered or goes out of touch. I think our most intense pressing is seen out wide in trying to force a throw, either for or against — doesn't matter, so long as the ball goes out or is recovered. It's because we have fullbacks taking up centre midfield positions that we do everything to prevent a winger from having a run (we cut it out before it starts, rather than defending it when it happens), and with this in mind, while Roberts (and Maatsen) don't do as much fullback-position defending as a traditional fullback, they get through a lot of defending centrally, which probably goes unnoticed because we're not used to seeing fullbacks there.

[LoveCurryPies]

Trippier was excellent. Roberts is also very good. OP is an idiot.

[Spiral]

Didn't Trippier get about a dozen assists in his last championship season with us.

12 and a goal. Roberts is on 7 goal involvement (4 goals, 3 assists). Bit behind Trippier, but I suppose we don't look to Roberts as the primary source of chances like we did Trippier when he had Austin, later Vokes, Ings etc on the end of his crosses. If Roberts could nudge closer to 13 goal involvement by the end of the season while playing a more complicated role, it puts him above Trips at this level for me.

[TravisBickle]

Roberts has been class. And his stats considering he wasn’t even first choice for much of the season are really good. But trippier was better imo.

Maatsen vs trippier is much closer and I’d pick Maatsen if I had to.

[fidelcastro]

Maatsen vs trippier is much closer and I’d pick Maatsen if I had to.

And you'd be wrong, Frank.

[Lord_Bob]

Hard to compare as they play under completely different systems. Easy to see that Mee, Pope etc would never fit in this system, but....

2013/14 Trippier playing in VK's system? - oh boy! THAT would have been special.

[Spiral]

Think Trippier is better suited to big, fierce, solid shithouse defensive setups. Was a bit over-exposed under Howe, albeit still one of the best players during that time, but didn't start to look absolutely next-level 'til Dyche bucked up the team shape. Not enthusiastically wanted in a very fluid Spurs team, but goes and wins La Liga as a crucial player for Simione. Captained England, captains Newcastle, both shithouse teams. Does amazingly well in that style. Not taking anything away from him or saying he himself is a shithouser, but he's played better for shithouse teams than in those teams aspiring to la philosophie, so my head says the jury's out on how he'd adapt to this system (but in my heart I think he'd take the pi$$).

[Vegas Claret]

different players playing in completely different systems, impossible to compare

[Elbarad]

Only one of them would be taking free kicks and corners that’s for sure

[claptrappers_union]

You’d be better off comparing Roberts with Tyrone Mears…

[RVclaret]

Interesting debate. Roberts has been the best right back in the league this season, just like Trippier was in our promotion season, so it’s worthy of discussion. The comparison is trying to remove the ‘Whats happened since’ as we know Tripps has gone onto be a top tier full back and really developed his game.

So looking purely at the Championship… obviously the systems are very different and Tripps was more about open play crossing but also had extremely good long distance passing. Roberts is asked to do a lot of overloading and space manipulation so I think tactically he’s had to learn a lot and does a lot for us. He’s become comfortable playing in that central midfield role (not easy) but also knows when to attack the box and overlap. He’s actually very intelligent. His passing has also improved a lot and currently ranks the no. 1 full back in the league for progressive passes per 90 (moving the ball closer to opponents goal by > 10 yards).

Defensively, I’d say first/second season Tripps was quite raw, remember him getting destroyed by quick wingers on occasions. Roberts is a bit older in that sense now and is quite a handy 1 on 1 defender (I can’t think of many wingers that have beat him this season?). Dyche promotion season Tripps defending massively improved, though, which he credits Dyche for.

Overall, Tripps was younger so had more potential and then he showed it in the Prem, earning his move to Spurs the year after. Let’s hope we see a Roberts 2.0 in the Prem next season.

[Big Vinny K]

All about opinions but not even close for me.
Trippier is the best player I have seen in a Burnley shirt.

Roberts since the World Cup has been fantastic though. Pre World Cup he was not at his best - and by his own admission under performed.

The way VK sets up his teams is a dream for full backs like Roberts. It’s how he loves to play for Wales. Under Dyche it’s obviously a completely different set up and don’t think this suited Roberts as much (but also need to factor in that was in the Prem too against some of the best forwards in the world)

[taio]

Trippier by a mile. Roberts has been good though.

[ClaretTony]

As well as Roberts has played in the second half of this season, he surely can’t be compared to Trippier who in his last Championship season for us was absolutely magnificent.

[Stalbansclaret]

I think Roberts is doing a tremendous job but Trippier was something else...one of the best players I have seen playing for us in my 50+ years supporting. DOnt know how many goals the Trippier/Ings combo contributed in that first Dyche promotion but it was a hell of a lot.

[NottsClaret]

I understand the idea that we're comparing the Trippier who played in the Championship, and not the one who went on to play in the Champions League, in a World Cup semi final, Euros final, won La Liga and currently captaining Newcastle into the top four...

But still, yeah it's Trippier by some distance. Roberts has been great since the World Cup mind, absolutely cemented that spot.

[Jamesy]

Yes good idea to put yer tin hat on. Roberts is having a good season for sure but is not and never will be in the same league as Tripps.

[boatshed bill]

Some people forgetting just how good Trippier was.

[Jamesy]

Yes good idea to put yer tin hat on. Roberts is having a good season for sure but is not and never will be in the same league as Tripps.

Sorry, yes he will be in the same league as Tripps next year but in a different stratosphere in terms of ability. Tripps was probably one of the best players we have had in the last ten years.

[Im_not_Robbie_Blake]

Trippier was the best right back I have seen playing for Burnley! Roberts now looks like a really good player and I hope he emulates Kieran in the future.

[Spiral]

Clearly I'm an early passenger on the Roberts hype train! Curious thing is, anyone who has read this thread will probably watch the next game with it in mind (by that I mean it only in the sense that you can't un-read what you've already read, the idea to compare Roberts to Trippier is there in the mind now), and they might look at Roberts a bit more critically than he's been looked at, I think. Honestly think he's gone a bit under the radar. That's obviously because we have so many outstanding players in this side so it's difficult to stand out, but he's been immense.

[RVclaret]

Clearly I'm an early passenger on the Roberts hype train! Curious thing is, anyone who has read this thread will probably watch the next game with it in mind (by that I mean it only in the sense that you can't un-read what you've already read, the idea to compare Roberts to Trippier is there in the mind now), and they might look at Roberts a bit more critically than he's been looked at, I think. Honestly think he's gone a bit under the radar. That's obviously because we have so many outstanding players in this side so it's difficult to stand out, but he's been immense.

Roberts had a 100% pass completion rate on Monday. 88/88. Like you say, immense.

[Quickenthetempo]

Roberts had a 100% pass completion rate on Monday. 88/88. Like you say, immense.

At least 20 of them were in the first half when he had a decent crossing position, but ended up passing 5 yards back to keep possession with it coming to nothing.

Roberts is decent at what he does but he's not creative enough to be compared to Trippier.

[Vegas Claret]

You’d be better off comparing Roberts with Tyrone Mears…

you'd be better of comparing him to a winger that scores the odd goal here and there because of how much time he spends up front

[Goalposts]

Factor in trips ability to deliver a ball an its no contest, Robert’s is good, very good in fact. But trips is better footballer

[4midable]

Trippier is twice the player of roberts
Ive have trippier back in a breath

[RVclaret]

At least 20 of them were in the first half when he had a decent crossing position, but ended up passing 5 yards back to keep possession with it coming to nothing.

Roberts is decent at what he does but he's not creative enough to be compared to Trippier.

Possibly yes. I’d say that’s more instruction than anything though. But you are right, Trippier was probably our most creative outlet in that team.

[Zenwisdom]

Trippier has more tools in his box corners and free kicks for example .
And was in his comfort zone when Newcastle sent us down
defended well .