Could Benson and Zaroury be off ??

[HahaYeah]

VK does appear to dump players once they are out of favor for whatever reason Cork Cullen Muric Zaroury Roberts Twine Bastien AD etc

I doubt there's much mystery there, he just doesn't think they are up to PL standard.

[Swizzlestick]

VK does appear to dump players once they are out of favor for whatever reason Cork Cullen Muric Zaroury Roberts Twine Bastien AD etc

Cork in and out the team last season, Cullen was tried but hasn’t looked up to it, GK is obviously a position he wanted to improve - it’s debatable whether he actually has, but that argument’s been done a million times, Zaroury perhaps has had a raw deal but the red card did him no favours with so much competition in that position. Vitinho has come in and performed better than Roberts. Twine not pulling up many trees at Hull, nor Bastien in Turkey. I don’t think the manager looking to refresh the team is anything unusual, but perhaps the amount of change has been too much.

[NewClaret]

I'll pass that on .. good luck to your son . I now have two sons on that career path , the other one takes after me for his sins.

I was very grateful too because my career couldn’t have taken me in a more opposite path so didn’t really know how to advise him. Appreciative of “Paul’s” advice

[NewClaret]

VK does appear to dump players once they are out of favor for whatever reason Cork Cullen Muric Zaroury Roberts Twine Bastien AD etc

The majority of these players were signed for a few million. Some started the season and played poorly.

In the summer we signed a few for £12m-£15m, which is a pittance compared to what our competition pay for players. See Bournemouth, West Ham, etc.

I don’t really think it’s any surprise that players that cost 5 times as much are being favoured. Price isn’t always a barometer of ability (Koleosho) but we were signing relative unknowns or League one vs players of the season in JPL, top scorers in the Euro qualifiers, Ligue 1 players, etc. Totally different levels of player.

I don’t see it as VK drops players, I think he does what he says in press conferences - works with them all daily to improve them.

[ClaretPete001]

Shouldn’t really indulge the trolls but made me think about who has improved under Kompany:

Muric, Trafford, Vitinho, Beyer, Al Dakhil, O’Shea, Harwood Bellis, Taylor, Berge, Brownhill, Zaroury, Foster, Benson, Gudmundsson, Rodriguez, Tella. I’m bound to have missed some out. All are better players than before they joined us.

Many of that list have said in interviews how Kompany has made them better players, Jay certainly has.

There really is such silly stuff posted on here at times.

Jay Rod was selected for England and was one of the best number 10s in the country prior to serious injury. Taylor, JBG and Brownhill were established PL performers.

Does anyone on here, other than New and Crosspools, seriously think these four players improved in the Championship? I mean Brownhill and Taylor were dropped at the start of the season.

Does anyone else on here think that Zaroury has improved as a player? Al Dhakil: anyone? Harwood Bellis - who was injured for much of the second half of last season? Benson for much of this season.

I refer to Tony's post about unpleasantness and ask the question who are the trolls on this thread?

Come on gentleman - if you have point to make points then make them but if you want to accuse others of being trolls you have to do better than make comments that are verging on the absurd..!

Absolutely, no-one in the Universe and certainly no Burnley fan who can recall his first spell with the club thinks Jay Rod is a better player than he was when he was arguably on the verge of being an England squad regular.

[IanMcL]

I doubt there's much mystery there, he just doesn't think they are up to PL standard.

And yet in that Mission to Burnley prog Mr Kompany said, in the Boardroom, that Benson will be huge.

[HahaYeah]

And yet in that Mission to Burnley prog Mr Kompany said, in the Boardroom, that Benson will be huge.

Benson wasn't mentioned in the post above.

It was:

Cork Cullen Muric Zaroury Roberts Twine Bastien AD etc.

I think Benson must be injured and will be a Prem player.

[Goliath]

And yet in that Mission to Burnley prog Mr Kompany said, in the Boardroom, that Benson will be huge.

I think theres a good chance that Benson is injured again. Kompany was very cautious with how he used him last season, I think he knew how brittle he was from very early on

[Woodleyclaret]

Obafemi,Jayrod and an other should all start before Ramsay.

[StayingDown4Ever]

“He has it in his contract that if he’s fit he plays”

Is that utter nonsense really worth posting ?
Very probably means the rest of it is rubbish too.

It’s not surprising when you see which poster posted it.

[jrgbfc]

Shouldn’t really indulge the trolls but made me think about who has improved under Kompany:

Muric, Trafford, Vitinho, Beyer, Al Dakhil, O’Shea, Harwood Bellis, Taylor, Berge, Brownhill, Zaroury, Foster, Benson, Gudmundsson, Rodriguez, Tella. I’m bound to have missed some out. All are better players than before they joined us.

Many of that list have said in interviews how Kompany has made them better players, Jay certainly has.

There really is such silly stuff posted on here at times.

Not as silly as what you've just posted here. That would be the same Jay Rod who was a regular in an excellent Southampton side and got an England call up a few years ago? Also Berge was getting linked with the likes of Liverpool and Arsenal not that long ago. Think it's a stretch to say Taylor and Brownhill have improved under Kompany as well.

[Pearcey]

I can see both leaving along with Muric due to that fact they’ve lost their jersey’s without being given the chance to keep them. They’re going to be massively cheesed off. I get that Benson had a knock but the other 2 appear to have been binned. I’d love to see Zaroury more involved.

[Rileybobs]

I can see both leaving along with Muric due to that fact they’ve lost their jersey’s without being given the chance to keep them. They’re going to be massively cheesed off. I get that Benson had a knock but the other 2 appear to have been binned. I’d love to see Zaroury more involved.

All of these players have been given a chance to keep the shirt though. They work every day to stake their claim for a place in the team.

[Pearcey]

All of these players have been given a chance to keep the shirt though. They work every day to stake their claim for a place in the team.

Get what you’re saying completely. It might be the case that they haven’t reacted well to being dropped after performing so well last season and VK isn’t impressed. Either way, something isn’t right. VK comes across as having incredibly high standards on and off the pitch.

[123EasyasBFC]

Get what you’re saying completely. It might be the case that they haven’t reacted well to being dropped after performing so well last season and VK isn’t impressed. Either way, something isn’t right. VK comes across as having incredibly high standards on and off the pitch.

Benson hasn’t been dropped, he came on against city and then started against Villa. Started against Salford and then got injured, now it’s a case of players are now ahead of him

[StayingDown4Ever]

All of these players have been given a chance to keep the shirt though. They work every day to stake their claim for a place in the team.

Not watched training but in the 5 friendlies I saw Muric in he did nothing wrong.

The one I watched Trafford in he got beat from the half way line.

Trafford must have been phenomenal in training those couple of weeks he got here before the season started.

[CoolClaret]

All of these players have been given a chance to keep the shirt though. They work every day to stake their claim for a place in the team.

Seems like players such as Berbatov and Hazard wouldn't have got into our starting XI then!

[Rileybobs]

Not watched training but in the 5 friendlies I saw Muric in he did nothing wrong.

The one I watched Trafford in he got beat from the half way line.

Trafford must have been phenomenal in training those couple of weeks he got here before the season started.

Not necessarily phenomenal, just better than Muric.

[Rileybobs]

Seems like players such as Berbatov and Hazard wouldn't have got into our starting XI then!

Sorry, I don’t follow?

[123EasyasBFC]

Been told of someone who knows one of the youth coaches that zaroury has been poor in training all season so far, turning up late, going down in training a lot and going to treatment room hence why he’s not getting much of a look in, didn’t say anything about benson

[CoolClaret]

Sorry, I don’t follow?

Some players simply perform better on match day and are pretty reserved about going all out in training.

Happens in all sports.

[Pearcey]

Benson hasn’t been dropped, he came on against city and then started against Villa. Started against Salford and then got injured, now it’s a case of players are now ahead of him

Yeah I’ve said that in an earlier post about his knock.

[123EasyasBFC]

Some players simply perform better on match day and are pretty reserved about going all out in training.

Happens in all sports.

It does happen in sports but certain managers expect everything in training or you won’t play.

Nobody would of played for Dyche if they didn’t give it everything in training

[Rileybobs]

Some players simply perform better on match day and are pretty reserved about going all out in training.

Happens in all sports.

Yes sure. But it’s not like we should have played inferior players ahead of better new signings just because they played last season. I agree with you that new signings should have been integrated more gradually - but when our fans say that player x hasn’t been given a chance this is not true, as they have the chance to demonstrate their ability and application on an almost daily basis.

[Tackler49]

Of course Benson and Zaroury will be moved on VK doesn’t seem like he wants to play them when they are available, good servants last season surplus to requirements this season VK seems to favour Trevor and Braun Larsen next to go will be Koleosho and Odobert they are just in the shop window this season how we are supposed to progress it seems VKs moods are stifling everything!

[Vegas Claret]

I'm not sure anyone can be that surprised that Zaroury hasn't seen much action - he had a good chance to show up at a very out of form Bournemouth and he delivered a very tepid borderline not remotely interested performance and hasn't had a look in since. All good posting pictures of yourself training but you have to take your chance when you get it and he most certainly did the exact opposite.

[Westleigh]

I'm not sure anyone can be that surprised that Zaroury hasn't seen much action - he had a good chance to show up at a very out of form Bournemouth and he delivered a very tepid borderline not remotely interested performance and hasn't had a look in since. All good posting pictures of yourself training but you have to take your chance when you get it and he most certainly did the exact opposite.

If I remember rightly didn’t he play in midfield against Bournemouth?

[Pearcey]

I'm not sure anyone can be that surprised that Zaroury hasn't seen much action - he had a good chance to show up at a very out of form Bournemouth and he delivered a very tepid borderline not remotely interested performance and hasn't had a look in since. All good posting pictures of yourself training but you have to take your chance when you get it and he most certainly did the exact opposite.

I think he has a bit more credit in the account after last season to get binned after one tepid performance. Something has gone on that we'll never hear about.

[Cooclaret]

Not watched training but in the 5 friendlies I saw Muric in he did nothing wrong.

The one I watched Trafford in he got beat from the half way line.

Trafford must have been phenomenal in training those couple of weeks he got here before the season started.

I do think Trafford is here to help Man City. I think we’ve an agreement with them to buy him (helps FFP) and then sell him back in a couple of seasons.

I really rate him, think he is going to be World Class in the next five years. I also think Southgate will take him to the next Tournament.

[Sleeping Cat]

It would be a real strange decision to let both of them go in the same window and does leave a strange sense that something is not right. Both have something to offer.

[warksclaret]

There is no point having an expensive to run car in your garage if it won't often start, and when it does it breaks down. Benson badly needs to go on loan, so that he is not denying another wide man to feature in our team, and we have a few of these. He can be re-assessed then if playing regularly

I feel for Obafemi -he was given a contract in Summer, been fit enough to make the bench in the last month or longer, and not hardly featured. A loan to a good Championship club would keep him sharp and fit. As for Zarourry I can only assume VK is not impressed with his attitude maybe

[123EasyasBFC]

Would people be happy to let both benson and zaroury go if it funded signing Jack Clarke from Sunderland? Just a thought as to what they might be doing

[Newcastleclaret93]

Would people be happy to let both benson and zaroury go if it funded signing Jack Clarke from Sunderland? Just a thought as to what they might be doing

He’s a good player but I don’t think he’s as good as either Zaroury or Benson tbh

[Westleigh]

Wingers seem to be a breed of their own ,if it’s their day they’ll take on 2 or 3 defenders and beat them ,if it isn’t they’ll just pass it back to their fullback and virtually disappear.

[123EasyasBFC]

He’s a good player but I don’t think he’s as good as either Zaroury or Benson tbh

His numbers for the last 2 seasons in the championship have been great but he’s only a zaroury replacement because Clarke can’t play on the right

[RVclaret]

He’s a good player but I don’t think he’s as good as either Zaroury or Benson tbh

Changed your tune from four weeks ago..

Clarke is better than any of the wingers we have

[claretonthecoast1882]

Changed your tune from four weeks ago..

Ahh but you see when Clarke wasn't coming he is better than what we have, when those who may be leaving are going they become better than Clarke, it is amazing how a players ability can change so quickly when you need to find a new negative to use.

[BurnleyFC]

Would people be happy to let both benson and zaroury go if it funded signing Jack Clarke from Sunderland? Just a thought as to what they might be doing

For me, the answer is still a resounding no.

[Woodleyclaret]

They are both class players the best wingers since Super Glen in his heyday
We need them both playing

[Holtyclaret]

It would be a real strange decision to let both of them go in the same window and does leave a strange sense that something is not right. Both have something to offer.

Or could their squad spaces be better utilised by incoming players lined up?

Your guess is as good as anyone’s right now but there will have to be outgoings before incomings I believe.

[Rileybobs]

Changed your tune from four weeks ago..

Classic NC93 - so desperate to make sensationalist claims that he just ends up tripping himself up.

[CoolClaret]

My head will fall off if we sign another left winger tbh.

Beyond stupid

[Vegas Claret]

If I remember rightly didn’t he play in midfield against Bournemouth?

he stood and watched

[Anthonini]

How much I like both of them they offered very little so far this season. I do however hope both the players and the club will be more patient with each other. Can't be that they aren't able to bring quality even as a substitute player after last season's achievements.

Confidence and fitness probably play a big role. They did look lost in the PL so far if we have to be fair.