Cesar Luis Menotti 1938-2024

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Cesar Luis Menotti 1938-2024

Post by ecc » Thu May 09, 2024 4:41 pm

Have just learned that Cesar Luis Menotti passed away on Sunday.

About the Argentina national team one wonders where to begin. Jonathan Wilson's book about the Argentines and football is aptly titled in my opinion, "Angels with Dirty Faces".

Most observers consider 1970 to have been the greatest WC final phase. Perhaps. However, 1974 saw the magnificent Dutch led by the maestro that was Johan Cruyff. The Germans crushed the Dutch dream thanks to having an excellent team - it hurts me to say so - and home advantage.

Although Cruyff wasn't there, the Dutch relived the same nightmare four years later.

I have no doubts that the 1978 Argentina team would have struggled to win the WC outside of its own borders. The infamous 6-0 defeat of Peru in the final game of the Second Group phase - no QFs or SFs - besmirched their final victory.

And yet. Menotti withstood enormous pressure from a nation and its expectations. He refused to call up Maradona, the prodigal son, citing his inability to cope with the pressure. He was proven to be right.

For those of us old enough to recall those night games in Buenos Aires, well, they were something else. Argentina played some excellent football with a certain Osvaldo Ardiles pulling the strings in midfield. Kempes scored the scores along with Luque. And their defence was inevitably difficult to breach.

Passarella epitomised the standard Argentinian defender. A player not bereft of technical ability but a man who took no prisoners and left all his opponents with scars to remember him by.

For Passarella, read Romero in 2022.

Thank you Cesar for those distant memories. The game of football is no longer the same, no longer your game. But they cannot take our memories away.

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Re: Cesar Luis Menotti 1938-2024

Post by aclaretinstevenage » Thu May 09, 2024 4:51 pm

Regardless of the "doubts" about the Peru game the 1978 Argentina world Cup is my favourite ever, night games, ticker tape pitches, wonderful atmosphere when the Argies played. Kempes was a film star player.

That World Cup was just wonderful..as was being in my early twenties at the time. Older and much more cynical now, shame really! :lol:

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Re: Cesar Luis Menotti 1938-2024

Post by KLClaret » Thu May 09, 2024 5:00 pm

Beautifully put ecc

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Re: Cesar Luis Menotti 1938-2024

Post by Tricky Trevor » Thu May 09, 2024 5:08 pm

RIP Cesar, a fine manager.


My following comments do not reflect on him at all.
Allegedly, Cruyff didn’t travel because of death threats that were taken seriously.
The 6-0 was a fix. An Argentinian in goal for Peru.

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Re: Cesar Luis Menotti 1938-2024

Post by Silkyskills1 » Thu May 09, 2024 5:11 pm

Dutch arrogance and also genuine hatred of Germans from the likes of van Hanegem didn't help the Dutch cause either. Going 1-0 ahead so early split the Dutch camp. Some wanted to humiliate the Germans in their own country and didn't keep to their game plan. Can you score too early in a game? Never believed it myself but if ever there was an argument to support that theory then this particular game was living proof perhaps.

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Re: Cesar Luis Menotti 1938-2024

Post by ecc » Thu May 09, 2024 6:16 pm

Tricky Trevor wrote:
Thu May 09, 2024 5:08 pm
RIP Cesar, a fine manager.


My following comments do not reflect on him at all.
Allegedly, Cruyff didn’t travel because of death threats that were taken seriously.
The 6-0 was a fix. An Argentinian in goal for Peru.
There were several theories put forward concerning Cruyff's absence.

He said in his autobiography that it was because of death threats concerning his family.

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Re: Cesar Luis Menotti 1938-2024

Post by beddie » Thu May 09, 2024 6:59 pm

I can remember those night games very well back in 78 having just got married, in-fact I can still recall the tune and still whistle it occasionally that they played as the programme started. Cesar was certainly a good Manager and got the best out of that team. RIP Cesar.

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