Players future

[123EasyasBFC]

Purely my opinion but these players I don’t see having a future at Burnley either because they haven’t shown the quality, aren’t in kompanys plans or we have too many players in that position

Trafford - don’t see how he recovers a career at Burnley after this season
Peacock-Farrell - sent out on loan because he wasn’t in plans
Roberts - always felt like he didn’t want to be at the club and shipped out on loan
Egan-Riley - rated by city fans but haven’t shown anything like the level required
McNally - not good enough
Delcroix - doesn’t look to be in plans
Taylor - will leave on a free, kompany had no choice but to play him
Cork - will leave on a free
Bastien - not good enough
Twine - not good enough and never settled
Benson - I think he will look to move because of his treatment this season
Amdouni - will have a weghorst type clause
Churlinov - not good enough
Obafemi - not good enough
Weghorst- never wanted to play for us to start with

That’s 15 players there and there’s only 1 who started today, just shows how many players we have, the squad needs to be trimmed massively

[beddie]

Blimey, how much is that lot in wages? I’m thinking near on £15 million. We certainly have to do some trimming.

[123EasyasBFC]

I missed Jay Rod from there too who is more than likely leaving.

Then there are serious question marks about the futures of
Muric
Bayer
Brownhill
Berge
Odobert
Even koleosho someone might think they can get him cheap after injury

[beddie]

I missed Jay Rod from there too who is more than likely leaving.

Then there are serious question marks about the futures of
Muric
Bayer
Brownhill
Berge
Odobert
Even koleosho someone might think they can get him cheap after injury

From those I’d want to keep Muric, Berge, Odobert and Koleosho.

[zippybid]

If we put everybody in the hat that people are saying will be off, we'd struggle to enter a 5-aside tournament.

[123EasyasBFC]

What fans need to realise is that if players do leave then it doesn’t mean it’s a fire sale. Part and parcel of relegation is players leave.

[NewClaret]

What fans need to realise is that if players do leave then it doesn’t mean it’s a fire sale. Part and parcel of relegation is players leave.

Correct.

Of course players will leave when relegated. Anyone think all the players will be staying at Sheff U or Luton? Nope.

Our success in this window will be managing to hold on to the players who’ve proved themselves while filling the gaps we have in the team.

[123EasyasBFC]

Correct.

Of course players will leave when relegated. Anyone think all the players will be staying at Sheff U or Luton? Nope.

Our success in this window will be managing to hold on to the players who’ve proved themselves while filling the gaps we have in the team.

Out of the 3 relegated clubs I think Luton will lose the least but they will need a new midfield. Sheff united have loads of out of contract players.

For me our summer is on 5 potential outgoings, muric, beyer, berge, odobert and koleosho. Those 5 will 100% have suitors but I just hope we can keep them

[forzagranata]

Out of the 3 relegated clubs I think Luton will lose the least but they will need a new midfield. Sheff united have loads of out of contract players.

For me our summer is on 5 potential outgoings, muric, beyer, berge, odobert and koleosho. Those 5 will 100% have suitors but I just hope we can keep them

Yeah the problem is the players we would want to keep would be the only ones that anyone would be interested in paying decent money for.

[Quickenthetempo]

If we put everybody in the hat that people are saying will be off, we'd struggle to enter a 5-aside tournament.

We have 42 senior players on the books.

We might need an experienced auctioneer to sell enough of them.

[Jakubclaret]

Right now paces rectum will be doing more movement than somebody off their face on ecstasy at a rave due to the financial implications of relegation. Anybody of high value & wanted elsewhere will be gone dressed up as the player wanted to leave & the club had no choice despite being contracted. I doubt it'll be many by & large they haven't exactly set the world alight with their performances so whether that's a good or bad thing is personal opinion.

[Jamesy]

We have 42 senior players on the books.

We might need an experienced auctioneer to sell enough of them.

Surely we must be close to breaking FFP regs?

[123EasyasBFC]

Yeah the problem is the players we would want to keep would be the only ones that anyone would be interested in paying decent money for.

Yeah you are right, the only hope is to generate as much as possible for the 10 out on loan minus zaroury because I still think he has a future and some money for the bit part players this season.

We know the ‘model’ will be to make sure of the loan market again and hope get pick up gems again and hopefully they have option to buy clauses in any loan

[Quickenthetempo]

Surely we must be close to breaking FFP regs?

Not sure

We have at least 10 out on loan that I can think of. Probably more.

[warksclaret]

From those I’d want to keep Muric, Berge, Odobert and Koleosho.

Agreed , plus O Shea who is a battler and cares about the shirt

[warksclaret]

We have 42 senior players on the books.

We might need an experienced auctioneer to sell enough of them.

I said yesterday that my fear is we are no longer good at selling players, and may need to recruit specialists at networking with agents/selling on players. Its our biggest challenge this Summer so that some of funds can be reinvested.

[123EasyasBFC]

I said yesterday that my fear is we are no longer good at selling players, and may need to recruit specialists at networking with agents/selling on players. Its our biggest challenge this Summer so that some of funds can be reinvested.

When have we ever been good at selling players really, hendrick, Brady, Vydra and Defour some of our most expensive signings all left on free transfers

[warksclaret]

When have we ever been good at selling players really, hendrick, Brady, Vydra and Defour some of our most expensive signings all left on free transfers

You have to go back to Cotterill's era-Wayne Thomas, Ian Moore, Andy Gray, Chaplow to mention a few

[Woodleyclaret]

Charlie needs to be offered a new contract his mom performance yesterday shows he is still committed to BFC .Left backs are hard to find and we need to retain Dara Costelloe as cover after his excellent performances on loan.
Roberts is a Premier league and international so we need to be asking North of £10m.Trafford is £14m and we need to get him off the books.We have good cover in the ranks and Casper is coming through.Beyer will go too injury prone.
Oxford will look to strengthen once they see off Bolton and Murphy/McNally deal could be on.
Bristol want Twine and a Conway to Burnley deal is a possibility. Jack Cork has done his badges so could be offered Marneys old role in the coaching team .Possibile player/ coach role.

[DAVETHEVICAR]

Agree Taylor played very well yesterday and should be kept as he is our best full back we have.
Apart from Burge I can’t see us getting anywhere near £10 million for any player.
Be lucky to get £5 million for any of the others.
We will find out sooner or later

[wilks_bfc]

Charlie needs to be offered a new contract his mom performance yesterday shows he is still committed to BFC .Left backs are hard to find and we need to retain Dara Costelloe as cover after his excellent performances on loan.
Roberts is a Premier league and international so we need to be asking North of £10m.Trafford is £14m and we need to get him off the books.We have good cover in the ranks and Casper is coming through.Beyer will go too injury prone.
Oxford will look to strengthen once they see off Bolton and Murphy/McNally deal could be on.
Bristol want Twine and a Conway to Burnley deal is a possibility. Jack Cork has done his badges so could be offered Marneys old role in the coaching team .Possibile player/ coach role.

No offence, but if anybody pays £10m+ for Roberts, they are more delusional than you are

[RVclaret]

The club and Kompany definitely have a job on their hand with trimming the squad this summer. However…

We know that Twine is wanted by Bristol City (according to manager and owner) and Weghorst is wanted by former club FC Twente and current club Hoffenheim. The four out of contract speak for themselves (BPF is also ooc).

I don’t agree that Trafford can’t have a career at Burnley I find that notion ridiculous. I’d be perfectly happy with him as number 1 in the Championship. Delcroix will likely stay and provide LB/CB cover with Taylor leaving. Egan-Riley has been playing for PSV’s B team and there was a suggestion they’d try and buy him.

So in my view that leaves Roberts (experienced Champ defender, we will probably get 1m off someone here), Bastien (somewhere on the cheap), Churlinov (unsure on him), McNally (impressed at Cov, not as much at Stoke, but still might get money back) and Obafemi (could be around the 1st team squad).

Others like Benson / Zaroury / Amdouni et al I guess it’s a wait and see what interest there is (given Lazio were keen on Zeki I’m sure there will be some overseas interest here) but ideally we keep them.

[123EasyasBFC]

The club and Kompany definitely have a job on their hand with trimming the squad this summer. However…

We know that Twine is wanted by Bristol City (according to manager and owner) and Weghorst is wanted by former club FC Twente and current club Hoffenheim. The four out of contract speak for themselves (BPF is also ooc).

I don’t agree that Trafford can’t have a career at Burnley I find that notion ridiculous. I’d be perfectly happy with him as number 1 in the Championship. Delcroix will likely stay and provide LB/CB cover with Taylor leaving. Egan-Riley has been playing for PSV’s B team and there was a suggestion they’d try and buy him.

So in my view that leaves Roberts (experienced Champ defender, we will probably get 1m off someone here), Bastien (somewhere on the cheap), Churlinov (unsure on him), McNally (impressed at Cov, not as much at Stoke, but still might get money back) and Obafemi (could be around the 1st team squad).

Others like Benson / Zaroury / Amdouni et al I guess it’s a wait and see what interest there is (given Lazio were keen on Zeki I’m sure there will be some overseas interest here) but ideally we keep them.

In my opinion Trafford would struggle even more with the physicality of the championship. We would get targeted week in week out with set pieces. Muric basically played as an outfielder last season, I don’t see Trafford ever having that sort of ability with his feet

[RVclaret]

In my opinion Trafford would struggle even more with the physicality of the championship. We would get targeted week in week out with set pieces. Muric basically played as an outfielder last season, I don’t see Trafford ever having that sort of ability with his feet

See I think that’s a bit overblown. Muric was worse with his feet yesterday than anything I’ve seen from Trafford all season. Trafford was in goal for the 5-0 home win against another (let’s call them top end Champ team) Sheffield United. Interestingly the comments on post match ratings from that game rate his passing as very good. As for physicality, Leicester’s keeper Hermansen is a bit slight like JT but was the best keeper in the league, and I don’t buy into the Champ being a bigger test of physicality than the Prem, which, for me, is the most physically challenging league in the world by far.

[Newcastleclaret93]

See I think that’s a bit overblown. Muric was worse with his feet yesterday than anything I’ve seen from Trafford all season. Trafford was in goal for the 5-0 home win against another (let’s call them top end Champ team) Sheffield United. Interestingly the comments on post match ratings from that game rate his passing as very good. As for physicality, Leicester’s keeper Hermansen is a bit slight like JT but was the best keeper in the league, and I don’t buy into the Champ being a bigger test of physicality than the Prem, which, for me, is the most physically challenging league in the world by far.

I agree, the championship is not a physical league.

They are knowhere near as big, quick and strong as the premier league.

[123EasyasBFC]

See I think that’s a bit overblown. Muric was worse with his feet yesterday than anything I’ve seen from Trafford all season. Trafford was in goal for the 5-0 home win against another (let’s call them top end Champ team) Sheffield United. Interestingly the comments on post match ratings from that game rate his passing as very good. As for physicality, Leicester’s keeper Hermansen is a bit slight like JT but was the best keeper in the league, and I don’t buy into the Champ being a bigger test of physicality than the Prem, which, for me, is the most physically challenging league in the world by far.

Muric had a poor game with his feet but still make 6 or 7 passes that Trafford isn’t able to make

[123EasyasBFC]

I agree, the championship is not a physical league.

They are knowhere near as big, quick and strong as the premier league.

More teams in the championship use set pieces as a tactic like Everton do. Trafford will struggle in the championship

[RVclaret]

Muric had a poor game with his feet but still make 6 or 7 passes that Trafford isn’t able to make

I agree Muric definitely has more in his locker with his feet but let’s not forget he has cost us 4 points against Everton and Brighton, while yesterday gave the ball away almost every time he had it. Trafford was slaughtered and called ‘worse than Pope with his feet’ when nowhere near as bad as yesterday. Plus he’s just 21 years old. Raya was apparently average with his feet at Rovers and Brentford but clearly improved substantially to get a move to Arsenal.

[123EasyasBFC]

I agree Muric definitely has more in his locker with his feet but let’s not forget he has cost us 4 points against Everton and Brighton, while yesterday gave the ball away almost every time he had it. Trafford was slaughtered and called ‘worse than Pope with his feet’ when nowhere near as bad as yesterday. Plus he’s just 21 years old. Raya was apparently average with his feet at Rovers and Brentford but clearly improved substantially to get a move to Arsenal.

I wouldn’t go as far as to say Trafford is as bad as pope with his feet but he’s nowhere near muric level.

Put it this way going into the championship if I have the choice of a keeper who has previously been in championship team of the season or Trafford I’m choosing muric every single time.

If we can sell Trafford for anything remotely similar to what we paid for him then we should do it

[JR1882]

Difficult when you have so many players to shift and a business need to shift them doesn’t really align with getting the the best price. We need cashflow (barring a big sale or 2) and are wide open to lowball offers for some of these squad/loan players really.

[123EasyasBFC]

Difficult when you have so many players to shift and a business need to shift them doesn’t really align with getting the the best price. We need cashflow (barring a big sale or 2) and are wide open to lowball offers for some of these squad/loan players really.

None of the players on loan have really progressed well to generate fees we want either

Twine hasn’t done much at Bristol city so don’t see them paying 5m for him
Roberts done nothing at Leeds they won’t sign him on a perm
Obafemi has had supposed issues at Millwall and they aren’t signing him and not sure we get money back for him
McNally hasn’t pulled up any trees at stoke so again doubt we will get our money back for him
Weghorst cost us what 12m and has been on loan for last 2, don’t see us getting anywhere near 10m for him
Bastien has had a knee injury so he will be another we can’t sell
Churlinov cost 4m and isn’t being signed so another one we will take a loss on
Peacock-Farrell out of contract
Egan-Riley nowhere near PSV first team so don’t see them buying him

We will be lucky to generate 15m-20m for those 9 together

[timshorts]

You have to go back to Cotterill's era-Wayne Thomas, Ian Moore, Andy Gray, Chaplow to mention a few

I thought we did very well with Andre gray more recently and then Chris Wood.

Some of those that have looked out of their depth in the Premier league will be fine next year, but if they don't improve with a bit of experience would have to be moved on if we manage to get back up.

[taio]

When have we ever been good at selling players really, hendrick, Brady, Vydra and Defour some of our most expensive signings all left on free transfers

Nathan Collins, Maxwell Cornet, Chris Wood, Michael Keane, Andre Gray - all substantial fees

[RVclaret]

Nathan Collins, Maxwell Cornet, Chris Wood, Michael Keane, Andre Gray - all substantial fees

And on the other end of the scale, a surprising £2m for Bobby Thomas last summer

[deanothedino]

Muric had a poor game with his feet but still make 6 or 7 passes that Trafford isn’t able to make

Was that the 6 or 7 that set up chances for Spurs?

[123EasyasBFC]

Nathan Collins, Maxwell Cornet, Chris Wood, Michael Keane, Andre Gray - all substantial fees

Collins, cornet and gray sold not far off what we paid for them. Would release clause so that’s not us being good at selling players, Keane is the only one in there

[123EasyasBFC]

Was that the 6 or 7 that set up chances for Spurs?

Well the fact that one of the passes was to Berge before Berge went on the run to set up brunn larsen or are we just ignoring that?

[123EasyasBFC]

And on the other end of the scale, a surprising £2m for Bobby Thomas last summer

That doesn’t change the fact we spent 12m on Brady, Vydra and hendrick and all 3 left for free all under the age of 30 when they left. That’s not good business
Signed Gibson for 15m and had to sell him for 6m was it again more poor business

[willsclarets]

Selling Trafford at 21 after such a big investment is daft. He's very highly regarded in the game, and had a bad season. It happens, especially when you're thrown in the deep end without armbands. Maybe with a more stable pairing like Mee and Tarks he'd have faired better, but he should never have had the responsibility of being no.1 this year.

I'm minded of De Gea, who was written off in his first season at a similar age. And for similar reasons; not physical enough etc. Are we that short sighted that we can't imagine a world where this board is full of statements like "hes turned into a class goalkeeper, so much more confident blah blah". Whether it's players or the manager, fans have zero sense of time. Baby out with the bath water every time a bit of sh*t hits the fan. Same with Amdouni, Ramsey, Tresor and others. Maybe they get moved on, but there's potential in all of them. Now I'm not saying they all work out, but at least be open to the possibility.

[RVclaret]

That doesn’t change the fact we spent 12m on Brady, Vydra and hendrick and all 3 left for free all under the age of 30 when they left. That’s not good business
Signed Gibson for 15m and had to sell him for 6m was it again more poor business

Never paid 15 for Gibson in the end. It was closer to 8. And we sold for 7.

[123EasyasBFC]

Selling Trafford at 21 after such a big investment is daft. He's very highly regarded in the game, and had a bad season. It happens, especially when you're thrown in the deep end without armbands. Maybe with a more stable pairing like Mee and Tarks he'd have faired better, but he should never have had the responsibility of being no.1 this year.

I'm minded of De Gea, who was written off in his first season at a similar age. And for similar reasons; not physical enough etc. Are we that short sighted that we can't imagine a world where this board is full of statements like "hes turned into a class goalkeeper, so much more confident blah blah". Whether it's players or the manager, fans have zero sense of time. Baby out with the bath water every time a bit of sh*t hits the fan. Same with Amdouni, Ramsey, Tresor and others. Maybe they get moved on, but there's potential in all of them. Now I'm not saying they all work out, but at least be open to the possibility.

De Gea on the back of a season in la liga for atletico Madrid not on the back of a season in league one for Bolton.

I said on a thread last week it’s absolutely crazy for a club like Burnley to splash the sort of cash that we did on Trafford for his age just because he might have good potential

[123EasyasBFC]

Never paid 15 for Gibson in the end. It was closer to 8. And we sold for 7.

Gibson signed for a joint club record at the time, same fee as Chris wood £15m

[willsclarets]

De Gea on the back of a season in la liga for atletico Madrid not on the back of a season in league one for Bolton.

I said on a thread last week it’s absolutely crazy for a club like Burnley to splash the sort of cash that we did on Trafford for his age just because he might have good potential

I said the criticism was similar, but you're right De Geas pedigree was there. I'm not saying we got a bargain for Trafford, just that selling him now makes zero sense.

[deanothedino]

Selling Trafford at 21 after such a big investment is daft. He's very highly regarded in the game, and had a bad season. It happens, especially when you're thrown in the deep end without armbands. Maybe with a more stable pairing like Mee and Tarks he'd have faired better, but he should never have had the responsibility of being no.1 this year.

I'm minded of De Gea, who was written off in his first season at a similar age. And for similar reasons; not physical enough etc. Are we that short sighted that we can't imagine a world where this board is full of statements like "hes turned into a class goalkeeper, so much more confident blah blah". Whether it's players or the manager, fans have zero sense of time. Baby out with the bath water every time a bit of sh*t hits the fan. Same with Amdouni, Ramsey, Tresor and others. Maybe they get moved on, but there's potential in all of them. Now I'm not saying they all work out, but at least be open to the possibility.

Keeping Trafford is essential if we’re actually committed to our business model of trading players. If he has a good season next year and we come up and he has a good season in the PL and we have him under a good contract you could be looking at £30m.

[Holtyclaret]

When have we ever been good at selling players really, hendrick, Brady, Vydra and Defour some of our most expensive signings all left on free transfers

Chris Wood, Cornet, Dwight ……..

[Big Vinny K]

Never paid 15 for Gibson in the end. It was closer to 8. And we sold for 7.

Where did you get that from ?

[Poulton-le-Claret]

Keeping Trafford is essential if we’re actually committed to our business model of trading players. If he has a good season next year and we come up and he has a good season in the PL and we have him under a good contract you could be looking at £30m.

Does that mean we sell Muric? Not sure he will sit on the bench for nearly a full season again.

No one to dig us out of a hole if JT flops in the championship.

[RVclaret]

Gibson signed for a joint club record at the time, same fee as Chris wood £15m

Just like with many signings this season, that amount included potential add ons which were never realised. It’s why I’ve been highlighting on here all season long we won’t have spent as much as is out there.

An actual example of people believing the numbers straight out of the media and running with them this season is Maatsen. At the time it was everywhere that it was 32m. I still see people run with that now. That’s despite follow up articles from the same journo saying it was under 20, Matt Williams saying it was nowhere near 32 and ClaretTony also backing up that premise.

[123EasyasBFC]

I said the criticism was similar, but you're right De Geas pedigree was there. I'm not saying we got a bargain for Trafford, just that selling him now makes zero sense.

I think it makes total sense if you are keeping muric who is the better keeper and better equipped to help us get back up. If you can get remotely anywhere near what we paid for him then do it, get the money back. If they are committed to Trafford coming good then muric has to be sold in the summer. Simply can’t have them both at the club. Trafford can’t sit in the bench whilst Muric is here because the money spent is a waste and if Muric is sat on the bench whilst Trafford starts everyone will always think Muric should be starting

[Big Vinny K]

Chris Wood, Cornet, Dwight ……..

Collins - nearly £10m profit in a season.
Andre Gray - again around £10m profit
Danny Ings - £7m or £8m profit
Pope - £9m profit
Sam Vokes - £8m or so profit ?
Charlie Austin - £3m profit

Sure there are others too.