Summer 2024 Transfer Window Discussion - Rumours and Links welcome

[taio]

I'd guess at something like this in the transfer window

Released:

Bailey Peacock-Farrell
Jack Cork
Jay Rodriguez

Sold:

Luke McNally (or loan)
Scott Twine (or loan)
CJ Egan-Riley (or loan)
Conner Roberts
Wout Weghorst (I'd Love him to stay)
Samuel Bastien
Darko Churlinov
Muric (if he requests it)

Loaned out:

Owen Dodgson
Michael Mellon
Dara Costelloe


In: (minimal)

Left back
Right back
Keeper if Muric goes
Forward
Jacob Bruun Larsen (if we can trigger release clause)
Maxime Esteve
Mike Tresor

I struggle to see how our transfer window would look like this i.e. significant spend without sufficient revenue from player sales. I'd have thought we'd need to be selling some of the highest value players e.g. Berge, Beyer, Trafford. Also, surely we won't be keeping all the wingers. Otherwise, we'd be left with even more financial risk.

[forzagranata]

Its interesting to draw up these lists but the reality is that the whole squad is effectively on the market now, because we won't turn down good offers for anyone.

Unfortunately the good offers are most likely for the players we would most like to keep.

(Costelloe is out of contract - unless he has signed a new deal then he leaves on a free)

[AGENT_CLARET]

I struggle to see how our transfer window would look like this i.e. significant spend without sufficient revenue from player sales. I'd have thought we'd need to be selling some of the highest value players e.g. Berge, Beyer, Trafford. Also, surely we won't be keeping all the wingers. Otherwise, we'd be left with even more financial risk.

I don't get this "NEEDED TO SELL" and who's buying Trafford for more than we paid for him ????

Just on my rough example list I'd say around 15m in and about 30m out making a total 15m spend, but who knows what will happen it's all the fun of the transfer window

[Newcastleclaret93]

Just on my rough example list I'd say around 15m in and about 30m out making a total 15m spend, but who knows what will happen it's all the fun of the transfer window

I’m expecting it to be the other way around

45m in sales and 20-25m in purchases

[AGENT_CLARET]

I’m expecting it to be the other way around

45m in sales and 20-25m in purchases

I know it's anyone's guess

[123EasyasBFC]

Its interesting to draw up these lists but the reality is that the whole squad is effectively on the market now, because we won't turn down good offers for anyone.

Unfortunately the good offers are most likely for the players we would most like to keep.

(Costelloe is out of contract - unless he has signed a new deal then he leaves on a free)

Pretty much every player outside the big big clubs are on the market for good offers, it’s just that some clubs are better at getting good offers than others

[123EasyasBFC]

Best case scenario with the players coming back on loan that we need to sell:

Roberts - 4m
McNally - 2m
Bastien - 500k
Twine - 4m
Churlinov - 2m
Obafemi - 2m
Weghorst- 6m

[burnley007]

Best case scenario with the players coming back on loan that we need to sell:

Roberts - 4m
McNally - 2m
Bastien - 500k
Twine - 4m
Churlinov - 2m
Obafemi - 2m
Weghorst- 6m

Add in the wage reductions and the released players, hopefully that avoids any fire sale this summer.

[RVclaret]

We’ll definitely be selling a few but hopefully we can raise a decent amount from the fringe players 123 has listed, albeit a bit optimistic on 4m for Roberts - you’ve got to think, who is paying that? Championship has not got much money. I’d anticipate a similar 60-70m in sales like last time and 15m or so incomings plus a few loans.

[CoolClaret]

I hate having to be in a position of needing to sell to fund cash flow - another reason I strongly disliked the approach in Summer/overall strategy... can seem like we're just spinning our wheels as the squad changes from season to season.

Seriously need the fringe players gone though, no more loans. Cash in the bank and wages off the books please.

Oh and no more young/inexperienced project signings for this season.

[RVclaret]

I hate having to be in a position of needing to sell to fund cash flow - another reason I strongly disliked the approach in Summer/overall strategy... can seem like we're just spinning our wheels as the squad changes from season to season.

Seriously need the fringe players gone though, no more loans. Cash in the bank and wages off the books please.

Oh and no more young/inexperienced project signings for this season.

How come no more loans? What if we could work in a loan with option to buy if promoted like Saints did with THB? Both promoted teams this season and last used the loan market well. I’d personally like to see Callum Doyle from City as a left back (was on loan at Leicester funnily enough).

[Newcastleclaret93]

Best case scenario with the players coming back on loan that we need to sell:

Roberts - 4m
McNally - 2m
Bastien - 500k
Twine - 4m
Churlinov - 2m
Obafemi - 2m
Weghorst- 6m

This is the issue with a lot of these players

The clubs that would likely go after them ie Bristol with Twine just don’t have that kind of money.

Bristol have only spent just over 1m on individual players since Covid.

I can’t for the life of me think we would sell Twine for anywhere around that fee

[bumba]

Best case scenario with the players coming back on loan that we need to sell:

Roberts - 4m
McNally - 2m
Bastien - 500k
Twine - 4m
Churlinov - 2m
Obafemi - 2m
Weghorst- 6m

We'll be lucky to get £2 million for Roberts
McNally maybe 2 mill
Can't see anybody with 4 million to spend using it on Twine
Churlinov again who's stumping up 2 million for him?
Obafemi will be a loan
Bastien who knows
Weghorst 6 million??????? A few poor seasons, 31/32 years old 12 months of his deal left, unhappy at his parent club, I think we'd be willing to allow him to move on a free to get him off the books

[CoolClaret]

How come no more loans? What if we could work in a loan with option to buy if promoted like Saints did with THB? Both promoted teams this season and last used the loan market well. I’d personally like to see Callum Doyle from City as a left back (was on loan at Leicester funnily enough).

I meant no more loan outs with the fringe players*.

Regarding loans in, different matter, I'd prefer to not have 4/5 like we did last time but 1/2 be fine.

[123EasyasBFC]

We'll be lucky to get £2 million for Roberts
McNally maybe 2 mill
Can't see anybody with 4 million to spend using it on Twine
Churlinov again who's stumping up 2 million for him?
Obafemi will be a loan
Bastien who knows
Weghorst 6 million??????? A few poor seasons, 31/32 years old 12 months of his deal left, unhappy at his parent club, I think we'd be willing to allow him to move on a free to get him off the books

That’s why he said best case scenario

[Big Vinny K]

We’ll definitely be selling a few but hopefully we can raise a decent amount from the fringe players 123 has listed, albeit a bit optimistic on 4m for Roberts - you’ve got to think, who is paying that? Championship has not got much money. I’d anticipate a similar 60-70m in sales like last time and 15m or so incomings plus a few loans.

£60m - £70m in sales ?
From where ?
I think we could possibly get around £35m from Berge and Odobert - but we’ve probably still got £18m or so we owe out of that to the clubs we bought them both from and we are also likely to be looking at sell on clauses.

Personally don’t think we are anywhere near the same position as we were last time we were relegated - ie with a number of players with a proven record in the PL or for the likes of Collins and Cornet had just had really good debut seasons in EPL (and both established internationals too)

[RVclaret]

£60m - £70m in sales ?
From where ?
I think we could possibly get around £35m from Berge and Odobert - but we’ve probably still got £18m or so we owe out of that to the clubs we bought them both from and we are also likely to be looking at sell on clauses.

Personally don’t think we are anywhere near the same position as we were last time we were relegated - ie with a number of players with a proven record in the PL or for the likes of Collins and Cornet had just had really good debut seasons in EPL (and both established internationals too)

Beyer 10+, Berge 20, Odobert 20 (there’s 50). Ideally don’t have to sell Berge but…

Muric or Trafford? 10? Already on 60.

Twine, Weghorst, McNally, Bastien, Egan-Riley, Roberts, Obafemi, Churlinov- surely 10-15m there even at low prices?

Could make a case for someone wanting Amdouni who will be 10-15m, Lazio were keen on him last summer, just because he’s not fully delivered in the PL doesn’t mean he won’t elsewhere.

There was a Prem club keen on Koleosho for 25m before his injury at Wolves.

[Big Vinny K]

Beyer 10+, Berge 20, Odobert 20 (there’s 50). Ideally don’t have to sell Berge but…

Muric or Trafford? 10? Already on 60.

Twine, Weghorst, McNally, Bastien, Egan-Riley, Roberts, Obafemi, Churlinov- surely 10-15m there even at low prices?

Could make a case for someone wanting Amdouni who will be 10-15m, Lazio were keen on him last summer, just because he’s not fully delivered in the PL doesn’t mean he won’t elsewhere.

There was a Prem club keen on Koleosho for 25m before his injury at Wolves.

Think we differ significantly on the value of our players.
Beyer for example has just spent nearly a full season out injured.
The last bunch of players you mentioned mostly have 1 or 2 years left on their contracts and with injuries, high salaries (Wout, Obafemi and Bastien for example) we will be lucky to give some of these away just to get them off our wage bill.

Guess we’ll find out in next few months as it’s sure to be a busy time again.

[Jakubclaret]

Regarding valuations I think 1 thing that gets overlooked is the fact that other clubs will be more than well aware of our financial circumstances & that will dictate how much they are prepared to pay. We aren't the type of club that will dig our heels in & play hardball we'll be too desperate to get them off the wage bill & get money incoming. Relegated clubs facing up to losing extra revenue carrying debt are in a very precarious position.

[Clive 1960]

for me how do you convince Benson and Zaroury they have a future at the club after the way they have been treated this season because in my view they haven't been given a fair chance and I'm not saying they are any better than those who are playing but for goodness sake they should have been given a chance in my view before the kids we bought..

[NewClaret]

Think we differ significantly on the value of our players.
Beyer for example has just spent nearly a full season out injured.
The last bunch of players you mentioned mostly have 1 or 2 years left on their contracts and with injuries, high salaries (Wout, Obafemi and Bastien for example) we will be lucky to give some of these away just to get them off our wage bill.

Guess we’ll find out in next few months as it’s sure to be a busy time again.

There will be some higher/lower. I can’t see us settling for £20m for Berge and definitely Odobert. If your Kudus’ are costing £44m we’ll be wanting top dollar for our top young prospects who have the added advantage of some prem experience and being settled in the UK for a year.

If Liverpool’s rumoured interest in Trafford is true, they’re not buying him for less than we did. They’ll shell out £20m because it’s quite literally peanuts to them.

Beyer was linked with moves to Prem clubs in the tweet by the guy who leaked his move to us at €15m. Again that kind of money is peanuts to any prem team, although I agree his injury may put people off.

I imagine our strategy will be to sell as few players as we can for the highest possible fees so I expect us to drive a hard bargain on those who do attract interest.

[bumba]

That’s why he said best case scenario

We wouldn't get anywhere close even best case scenario

[jedi_master]

I firmly believe Berge won't be sold - I expect everything else is up for debate though. If I had to guess on sales:

Odobert (£25m)
Trafford (£15-20m)
Amdouni (Loan fee/£10m sale)
Weghorst (Loan fee/swap for JBL)
Obafemi (Loan fee)
McNally (£2m)
Churlinov (Loan fee/£2m)
Roberts (Loan fee/£2m)
Egan-Riley (£???)

Total: Around £60m I should think

A lot of the above will be undisclosed I would imagine, and we will never know with loan fees but let's assume £1m a season as an average. I might be wrong on Twine but I think it's possible he comes back into the fold as we will be letting so many go and he's done alright out on loan seemingly.

[zippybid]

How much do we need to sell this summer to keep lenders happy? I read/heard it's approx £30 million.

[warksclaret]

Whether we use the loan market again next season , and the number of new loans, depends very much on our success in selling a high number of fringe players. Some of the expected values for these players, being quoted above, are optimistic, and sadly I see some going on frees or at best on loan with a loan fee, to get them off our wages.

The loans last time in the Championship very much helped us get promoted, as it did for Ipswich this season.Whilst not ideal they may be our saviour once we know the true state of finances in the club

[Burnley1989]

If we need cash, we will probably have to accept lower offers on better payment terms

[123EasyasBFC]

Beyer 10+, Berge 20, Odobert 20 (there’s 50). Ideally don’t have to sell Berge but…

Muric or Trafford? 10? Already on 60.

Twine, Weghorst, McNally, Bastien, Egan-Riley, Roberts, Obafemi, Churlinov- surely 10-15m there even at low prices?

Could make a case for someone wanting Amdouni who will be 10-15m, Lazio were keen on him last summer, just because he’s not fully delivered in the PL doesn’t mean he won’t elsewhere.

There was a Prem club keen on Koleosho for 25m before his injury at Wolves.

Any idea which club wanted koleosho for 25m, as much as I think koleosho would be scary next season we couldn’t turn down 25m on a player that cost 2m

[NewClaret]

If we need cash, we will probably have to accept lower offers on better payment terms

Worth recalling Stuart Hunts words that we’re looking at ‘a couple of transactions to buy clubs this year’. That was only a week or so ago when relegation was very close to being confirmed.

I’d be very disappointed if we looking at other buying clubs whilst needing cash.

[NewClaret]

Any idea which club wanted koleosho for 25m, as much as I think koleosho would be scary next season we couldn’t turn down 25m on a player that cost 2m

I do remember it but can’t remember the club.

In any event, I imagine the injury might’ve put paid to any interest that did exist.

[Quickenthetempo]

We'll be lucky to get £2 million for Roberts
McNally maybe 2 mill
Can't see anybody with 4 million to spend using it on Twine
Churlinov again who's stumping up 2 million for him?
Obafemi will be a loan
Bastien who knows
Weghorst 6 million??????? A few poor seasons, 31/32 years old 12 months of his deal left, unhappy at his parent club, I think we'd be willing to allow him to move on a free to get him off the books

If you're right then Vinny and the recruitment team want taking out the back and shot.

Or maybe just all sacked on the spot.

[Bowclaret]

Imperative that we keep Berge and build a team around him. Beyer, Esteve and O’Shea for the centre backs, the rest can go for me. Cullen to be captain. Work with Koleosho and Oderbert to get them ready for the prem and a MUST is a new striker - I like Foster, but he did not cut it in the Championship. Get Zaroury and Benson onboard again because they will rip teams apart at Championship level. Muric is also a must keep and just as crucial as Berge. Trafford can go and no doubt he wants to.

All the others not mentioned - Thanks and goodbye !

I’m predicting we will beat our 101 points from last time and storm that league.

[SirBob]

I think we’ll lose a lot of our big name players this summer

Muric 10m/Beyer 10m/Burge 20m/Odobert 20m/Zaroury 5m/Amduni 10m/Tresor 10m

I’d be looking at these kind of fees as a minimum.

We could also raise upto 20m trimming off players such as Delcroix, Twine, McNally to name but a few fringe players that aren’t in the managers thoughts.

We’ll have Ramsey, Redmond and Koleosho returning from injury and possibly Massengo entering the fold.

Let’s not forget the last time we went down and signed a load of unknown players, we’ll have our targets again. Picking up cheap talents from abroad seems to be high on our agenda when it comes to transfers. I can totally see us signing another 10 players this summer.

[Guller Bull]

Sometime reliable sometimes not but usually up to date with rumours

https://www.newsnow.co.uk/h/Sport/Footb ... ue/Burnley

[Woonderbah]

Imperative that we keep Berge and build a team around him. Beyer, Esteve and O’Shea for the centre backs, the rest can go for me. Cullen to be captain. Work with Koleosho and Oderbert to get them ready for the prem and a MUST is a new striker - I like Foster, but he did not cut it in the Championship. Get Zaroury and Benson onboard again because they will rip teams apart at Championship level. Muric is also a must keep and just as crucial as Berge. Trafford can go and no doubt he wants to.

All the others not mentioned - Thanks and goodbye !

I’m predicting we will beat our 101 points from last time and storm that league.

Berge is a must keep for me.. if we keep him and sell every single player, we still walk the Championship with Sander winning the Golden Boot and Golden Gloves.. he'll win the league at Ewood and relegate Rovers at the same time in a record breaking unbeaten season famously securing European football with an FA Cup winning master show

[GetIntoEm]

we dont "NEED" to sell anyone, however we have a lot of fat in our squad, can easily see 10-15 go, and with that we wouldnt need much coming in to be crowned champions

[KRBFC]

If we are to believe AP and VK that the progress starts now then our fringe players need to be sold or moved on quickly and we need to reinvest in quality players who after 12 months (hopefully) in the Championship can handle the Prem

Start with the spine and sell or move on loan Al Dakhill, Beyer (as he wants to go), Delcroix, McNally and get in Jacob Greaves of Hull. He is a proper centre half. Just won Hull City player of the year and made Championship team of 1923-24. He could do a job and have a good future value

How does Jacob Greaves get in ahead of Dara, Esteve, Ekdal, McNally, Beyer, Delcroix, Al Dakhil?

Central defence is the least of our worries, we’re incredibly stacked there.

[Big Vinny K]

we dont "NEED" to sell anyone, however we have a lot of fat in our squad, can easily see 10-15 go, and with that we wouldnt need much coming in to be crowned champions

Why do you think we don’t NEED to sell anyone ?
What information in our accounts and other financial information we know around our debt would make you reach that conclusion ?

[bumba]

Berge is a must keep for me.. if we keep him and sell every single player, we still walk the Championship with Sander winning the Golden Boot and Golden Gloves.. he'll win the league at Ewood and relegate Rovers at the same time in a record breaking unbeaten season famously securing European football with an FA Cup winning master show

He didn't walk the league last time he played in it

[GetIntoEm]

Why do you think we don’t NEED to sell anyone ?
What information in our accounts and other financial information we know around our debt would make you reach that conclusion ?

We have guaranteed income in the form of prize money, parachute money, season tickets, hospitality. Wage bill will be sufficiently low. 1 or 2 seasons like this would not be the death of the club, it'll hurt the financial side yes, but we wouldn't be in a disastrous unrecoverable position.

i imagine we will continue to see transfer activity on players in, as well as out.

[zippybid]

There has to be a middleground. We'll no doubt need to sell some to clear some debt, but at the same time keep enough to go back up.

[NewClaret]

How does Jacob Greaves get in ahead of Dara, Esteve, Ekdal, McNally, Beyer, Delcroix, Al Dakhil?

Central defence is the least of our worries, we’re incredibly stacked there.

One thing that amazes me is how much criticism some of our players get… compared to the suggestions for summer signings



I really struggle to see what some see in players often playing at a lower level and just wonder whether fans take that in to account when forming their views.

This isn’t about Jacob Greaves by the way. I’ve not seen enough to form a view but would reiterate he’ll need to have rapid recovery pace for Kompany to be interested in him.

[SirBob]

we dont "NEED" to sell anyone, however we have a lot of fat in our squad, can easily see 10-15 go, and with that we wouldnt need much coming in to be crowned champions

This is an incredibly short sighted take.

We absolutely do need to sell players to reduce the wage even further and raise money for a premier league return. How else will we strengthen if we are fortunate enough to go up and want to stay up? And that’s assuming we go up, we’d be absolutely f***** if we don’t go back up, the only difference between us and the likes of Preston is our parachute payments we can’t afford to waste it.

[forzagranata]

For those discussing whether we 'need to sell'. This is what the club's auditors said a few weeks back:

“In the event of relegation, the group as with all such clubs will incur a significant reduction in turnover as Premier League broadcasting revenue is replaced with parachute payments. The group will be required to take steps to reduce costs and borrowings to a level more sustainable for a Championship club.

“In this scenario the group would expect significant reduction in wages and salaries, which will be largely achieved by contractual means existing in player and employee contracts and player transfers.

“The group has also forecast a net inflow of cash from player trading, as is common for many clubs relegated from the Premier League. In such a case, to support the group’s obligations, the directors will consider and utilise financing options available, including but not limited to, player receivable financing.

In the event that the group’s financial performance varies or is less than that modelled, the directors are satisfied that sufficient funds can be generated or otherwise obtained by the Group, if this was absolutely necessary.

“If player trading results were to be materially less than forecasts, and the operating budget modeled otherwise remained unchanged, the resulting conditions if unresolved would indicate a material uncertainty which may cast doubt about the group’s ability to continue as a going concern if unresolved and therefore that it may be unable to realise its assets and discharge its liabilities in the normal course of business.”

[forzagranata]

Separate to that - if people think Sander Berge is a Premier League quality player, worth PL money, there is a strong chance he agrees with you.

[Goliath]

I think there we might end up getting a good fee for Trafford. Surely the reason we signed him is because we know the clamour at the top clubs for home grown players.

He'd be absolutely ideal as a backup keeper for one of the top clubs to ensure they fill the home grown quota. They wouldn't need to play him much, maybe in the cup comps, allowing him to develop until he's ready to be a number 1. Because of his age he could stay at a big club for over 10 years either as a number 1 or 2 depending on how well he develops so it could be a wise investment.

Also looking at how clubs account for their fees, if they give him a 5 year deal and sign him for say 25 mill. That would be broken down at about 5 mill per year which is a drop in the ocean for the big clubs.

[ClaretTony]

Well it sounds like that Sambo from PSV is a done deal

I believe he signed a pre-contract in March

[NewClaret]

I believe he signed a pre-contract in March

Are you aware of any other such deals or interest Tony?

[jedi_master]

This is pure speculation but I'd be amazed if we haven't offered Callum O'Hare a contract.

[warksclaret]

This is pure speculation but I'd be amazed if we haven't offered Callum O'Hare a contract.

Have a feeling and heard rumours he is Leicester bound

[summitclaret]

Any idea which club wanted koleosho for 25m, as much as I think koleosho would be scary next season we couldn’t turn down 25m on a player that cost 2m

We will. He's the one with a potential massive sale in a couple of years.