Cork & JBG leaving

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

Shame about Cork but can’t help but think JBG only has himself to blame. How many games he has missed through injury? Must be running into the hundreds over his years here. I do remember hearing Kompany saying he only likes players who are available for 90% of the games or they are going to be jettisoned. One of the only things I think he has got right this season.

[taio]

Shame about Cork but can’t help but think JBG only has himself to blame. How many games he has missed through injury? Must be running into the hundreds over his years here. I do remember hearing Kompany saying he only likes players who are available for 90% of the games or they are going to be jettisoned. One of the only things I think he has got right this season.

Only himself to blame?

70 appearances under Kompany.

[fidelcastro]

Shame about Cork but can’t help but think JBG only has himself to blame. How many games he has missed through injury? Must be running into the hundreds over his years here. I do remember hearing Kompany saying he only likes players who are available for 90% of the games or they are going to be jettisoned. One of the only things I think he has got right this season.

Did he inflict the injuries on himself like some sort of masochist?

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

Did he inflict the injuries on himself like some sort of masochist?

No idea but missing over 150 games through injury in 8 years time seems excessive in anyone’s book. Very lucky to have been contracted all through that time.

Doesn’t seem overly bothered about missing all those games either so good luck to him.

How many did Darren Anderton miss through injury? He must be neck a neck with him

[fidelcastro]

No idea but missing over 150 games through injury in 8 years time seems excessive in anyone’s book. Very lucky to have been contracted all through that time.

Doesn’t seem overly bothered about missing all those games either so good luck to him.

How many did Darren Anderton miss through injury? He must be neck a neck with him

How do you know he's not bothered about missing all those games? Do you know him that well?

No guarantee he would have been selected for ALL those games he could have played in anyway.

A good player on his day.

[fidelcastro]

Only himself to blame?

70 appearances under Kompany.

I don't think it was that many.

[Goliath]

No idea but missing over 150 games through injury in 8 years time seems excessive in anyone’s book. Very lucky to have been contracted all through that time.

Doesn’t seem overly bothered about missing all those games either so good luck to him.

How many did Darren Anderton miss through injury? He must be neck a neck with him

Wtf are you talking about

[taio]

I don't think it was that many.

Pretty sure it's there or thereabouts

[fidelcastro]

Pretty sure it's there or thereabouts

I'd be surprised.

[taio]

I'd be surprised.

26 this season; 44 last

[fidelcastro]

26 this season; 44 last

Without googling it, I guess there will be a fair few substitute appearances in there, so you may well be right.

Not as injury prone as some would make out then?

[taio]

Without googling it, I guess there will be a fair few substitute appearances in there, so you may well be right.

Not as injury prone as some would make out then?

It will include many coming on as a sub. As you allude, the point being he was fit to play in all those games. He only has himself to blame apparently.

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

Without googling it, I guess there will be a fair few substitute appearances in there, so you may well be right.

Not as injury prone as some would make out then?

I’m sure claret Tony will know his stats , only the two seasons under Kompany he has booked his ideas up, obviously it has come too late for his annual two good games and another contract renewal

[warksclaret]

I find a good barometer of a leaving players worth is the club he goes to join. Lets see who offers him a deal

[Carlos the Great]

Didn’t realise Cork has been at Burnley since 2010 … always thought of him as a Chelsea boy …

[CoolClaret]

Didn’t realise Cork has been at Burnley since 2010 … always thought of him as a Chelsea boy …

He hasn't - he came on loan for a season and half but then signed for Southampton, Swansea and finally back with Burnley in 2017.

[spt_claret]

Cork's legs have been gone at the top level for a while,not for fitness but pace. As good as he was at the start of last season he began racking up lots of "tactical" yellows because he couldn't keep up pace wise. Think he was worth a try at least but suspect he'd have been badly outpaced in the Prem even if his overall yardage is still good.

Gudmundsson should have been used lots more and I'd have offered him 2 years honestly. He's been our most creative player and has proven adaptable enough to play quite literally any midfield role. His fitness has held up the last two years, he's got experience, intelligence and technique. Think using him as a budget DeBruyne in the CAM role or as the most attacking playmaker in the midfield of a 433 would have got us more points this season.

[Uwe Noble]

Going to miss both of these guys, key players and great professionals during our good run in the Premier league.
Worrying to hear rumours that JBG was unhappy with the training standards slipping in this poor season. Hopefully VK will review the performance of his staff and take appropriate action....

THIS is exactly what I was afraid was happening behind the scenes. I suspected as much from the evidence on the pitch. Players clearly have not been coached nor drilled in some of the basics. I think Dyche and his team were far superior coaches. If this really is true then Kompany has to go.

[ecc]

Wtf are you talking about

Back of the queue the day brains were handed out?

[dandeclaret]

Even fewer leaders around the playing squad now….. will
Need to be rectified.

[warksclaret]

Even fewer leaders around the playing squad now….. will
Need to be rectified.

We've not had leaders since the departure of players like Heaton, Barton, Mee, Tarks, Barnes,Marney. Gave their all , led by example, and brought the best out of the rest

[GetIntoEm]

Do we really know, who is and who isn't capable of leading. It's incredibly difficult to tell.

[Poulton-le-Claret]

Do we really know, who is and who isn't capable of leading. It's incredibly difficult to tell.

Not always, for example Tresor and Amdouni are not capable, clear as day

[Burnley Ace]

Did JBG get to 200 appearances?

[IanMcL]

Gudmundsson looked like he knew what he was doing today. The rest, clueless. Big miss.
Cork controlled the last few mins.

Kompany decision making highly questionable.

[Nonayforever]

I find a good barometer of a leaving players worth is the club he goes to join. Lets see who offers him a deal

My guess it will be a Premier league club, he's a PL player.

[wilks_bfc]

Did JBG get to 200 appearances?

227

[ClaretPete001]

Cork's legs have been gone at the top level for a while,not for fitness but pace. As good as he was at the start of last season he began racking up lots of "tactical" yellows because he couldn't keep up pace wise. Think he was worth a try at least but suspect he'd have been badly outpaced in the Prem even if his overall yardage is still good.

Gudmundsson should have been used lots more and I'd have offered him 2 years honestly. He's been our most creative player and has proven adaptable enough to play quite literally any midfield role. His fitness has held up the last two years, he's got experience, intelligence and technique. Think using him as a budget DeBruyne in the CAM role or as the most attacking playmaker in the midfield of a 433 would have got us more points this season.

On the other hand, it's possible to argue that having a squad of budget De Bruyne's et al in a 4-3-3 and more latterly a 4-2-2 is exactly what got us 24 points

[warksclaret]

My guess it will be a Premier league club, he's a PL player.

Would be brilliant for him, but must say that would really surprise me

[Burnleyareback2]

Would be brilliant for him, but must say that would really surprise me

Everton?

[Rick_Muller]

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Worrying to hear rumours that JBG was unhappy with the training standards slipping in this poor season. Hopefully VK will review the performance of his staff and take appropriate action....

Somewhat related to attitudes and the like relating to the players. When Al Dakhil first arrived here he was humble and shy and I remember seeing him walking outside the ground with his family after a game just soaking it all up.

Yesterday he arrived at the car park in his loud Dodge and struggled to park it (challenger I think - I didn’t have my 14 year old car encyclopaedia son with me) and he was far and away from the humble chap who first arrived. He had photos with fans and behaved like a celebrity. I also saw him doing 100+ in the same car through Bury on his way back to Manchester after the game.

The point is, the celebrity status attitude is IMO making some of our players forget that it’s humility and hard work that gets success - not fast cars and status.

[exilecanada]

I've read mention on this thread suggesting Kompany doesn't want players around his age at the club, personally I think there's something to that. Surely Cork leaving isn't a surprise to anyone, good servant to the club, wish him well. He'll find a gig at a mid range Championship club. J Rod will leave, possibly to MLS, I doubt a Championship club would have much interest, he's shown nothing for the last couple of years. Taylor will be offered a new deal even though he's getting up there in age, he doesn't seem to be the vocal type and wouldn't be a 'threat' to Kompany's authority. JBG leaving comes as a surprise to me, from what I gather he was offered a new deal but turned it down. I have no doubt he'll land on his feet at a mid table PL club, a very skilled player when used correctly and his injury problems appear to be behind him. Brentford or Brighton are my guesses.

It's obvious to most that this club needs some experienced players, but Kompany doesn't appear to agree.

[spt_claret]

I've read mention on this thread suggesting Kompany doesn't want players around his age at the club, personally I think there's something to that. Surely Cork leaving isn't a surprise to anyone, good servant to the club, wish him well. He'll find a gig at a mid range Championship club. J Rod will leave, possibly to MLS, I doubt a Championship club would have much interest, he's shown nothing for the last couple of years. Taylor will be offered a new deal even though he's getting up there in age, he doesn't seem to be the vocal type and wouldn't be a 'threat' to Kompany's authority. JBG leaving comes as a surprise to me, from what I gather he was offered a new deal but turned it down. I have no doubt he'll land on his feet at a mid table PL club, a very skilled player when used correctly and his injury problems appear to be behind him. Brentford or Brighton are my guesses.

It's obvious to most that this club needs some experienced players, but Kompany doesn't appear to agree.

Cork's sheer lack of pace was a problem last season in the Championship but I can see a lower Champ team still making very good use of him, he has technique and a top brain.
Jay, I tend to agree he's got MLS all over him, maybe linking up with Westy and Arfield at Toronto.
Taylor's been remarked on as one of the less intelligent players away from the pitch, so I'd agree that he's more likely a 'good lad for the dressing room' than an assertive threat.
If Dyche stays at Everton, given their financial situation I fully expect them to go in for him. Gudmundsson has proven in the last 2 seasons to be a very adaptable player and IMO was very underused this season, think playing him centrally in a playmaking role was blindingly obvious, doesn't have the pace to go wide in our current system but his creativity, technique, vision etc. is above any other midfielder we have. I can see him slotting comfortably into Everton for a year or two especially given Dyche has wrung life out of a 38 year old Ashley Young.

[louieollie]

I think it begs the question would either or both still be at the club if all of this Bayern malarkey had happened a fortnight ago for instance! ..........and I do wonder what the young lad from PSV is now thinking !

[Rick_Muller]

I think it begs the question would either or both still be at the club if all of this Bayern malarkey had happened a fortnight ago for instance! ..........and I do wonder what the young lad from PSV is now thinking !

Has Jack Cork done his coaching badges? Thought he had…

[louieollie]

Has Jack Cork done his coaching badges? Thought he had…

I'm sure I've seen somewhere that he has yes.

[helmclaret]

I'm sure I've seen somewhere that he has yes.

He did them at the same time as Ashley Barnes.

Barnes said he definitely wanted to go into managing/coache, Cork was undecided.