Trafford to Chelsea?

[Ric_C]

Posters constantly dug out Trafford when in the team, Trafford got dropped, posters dug him out. Trafford gets linked with clubs far bigger than Burnley, Trafford gets digs. Trafford gets called up to the England, guess what, he gets digs.

If Trafford was to leave, would posters continue over scrutise and dig him out? What would they do if he went on to have a successful career? Be miserable probably.

Missing the point.

It's more of a response to posters who have this ever so smug tone about Trafford being in the England squad and linked with big clubs. Using these examples as ammo to aim at people people who think he's been bobbins all season. Bit of a "told you so" attitude which is a bit boring tbh.

Let's get some decent cash for him and move on.

Just for the record, I think Trafford MAY be a decent keeper in the future. Maybe in 5 years or so. But we are not in a position to be paying for his development, as last season has proved.

[IanMcL]

Time these teams coughed up!

[NL Claret]

Missing the point.

It's more of a response to posters who have this ever so smug tone about Trafford being in the England squad and linked with big clubs. Using these examples as ammo to aim at people people who think he's been bobbins all season. Bit of a "told you so" attitude which is a bit boring tbh.

Let's get some decent cash for him and move on.

Just for the record, I think Trafford MAY be a decent keeper in the future. Maybe in 5 years or so. But we are not in a position to be paying for his development, as last season has proved.

Not missing any point, the first two sentences are absolute rubbish however your post developed significantly and I would agree about selling him asap and his development.

[Elizabeth]

Which game was it? I will go back and check the teams coming out of the tunnel.

I'm not his biggest fan but putting personal stuff on about him is a bit wrong. Without evidence.

I haven't made it up, I know the father involved, but if you don't want to believe me that's up to you. I don't think it needs any forensic investigation.
I think Trafford wants away from the club and has never had the feel for the club I want to see from Burnley players. I want to be wrong because I'd like to see him play at Championship level because the PL was too much for him.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Missing the point.

It's more of a response to posters who have this ever so smug tone about Trafford being in the England squad and linked with big clubs. Using these examples as ammo to aim at people people who think he's been bobbins all season. Bit of a "told you so" attitude which is a bit boring tbh.

Let's get some decent cash for him and move on.

Just for the record, I think Trafford MAY be a decent keeper in the future. Maybe in 5 years or so. But we are not in a position to be paying for his development, as last season has proved.

So we can’t be smug when he’s linked with bigger clubs for more than we paid for him, after having spent the season watching people tear him to shreds on here?

Yeah that’s not how it works

[Pearcey]

There’s obviously a decent keeper there but he was mismanaged so badly by VK that it turned toxic. It’s a shame we won’t get to develop him but I think it’s best he leaves if we can make a profit.

[Quickenthetempo]

I haven't made it up, I know the father involved, but if you don't want to believe me that's up to you. I don't think it needs any forensic investigation.
I think Trafford wants away from the club and has never had the feel for the club I want to see from Burnley players. I want to be wrong because I'd like to see him play at Championship level because the PL was too much for him.

It's not about you making it up.

But if you want to assassinate somebody's character online. It's best to be double sure. Especially when there will be plenty of evidence on YouTube.

[Cooclaret]

Missing the point.

It's more of a response to posters who have this ever so smug tone about Trafford being in the England squad and linked with big clubs. Using these examples as ammo to aim at people people who think he's been bobbins all season. Bit of a "told you so" attitude which is a bit boring tbh.

Let's get some decent cash for him and move on.

Just for the record, I think Trafford MAY be a decent keeper in the future. Maybe in 5 years or so. But we are not in a position to be paying for his development, as last season has proved.

That’s driven by the absolute peltters some of the resident bedwetters gave out to those people who;

Said Kompany was an ego and just a bad manager.

And

Said Trafford was a good Keeper, but was constantly exposed by Kompanys awful tactics and in game management.

Months of walking through that allows you to give it back at times.

[Cooclaret]

I haven't made it up, I know the father involved, but if you don't want to believe me that's up to you. I don't think it needs any forensic investigation.
I think Trafford wants away from the club and has never had the feel for the club I want to see from Burnley players. I want to be wrong because I'd like to see him play at Championship level because the PL was too much for him.

Wanting out under Kompany is different to wanting being a part of the club. Wasn’t just Trafford who didn’t like the ‘boss’. Trafford is no diva and is a grounded lad. Ask ANY Bolton fan.

Think you can forgive an under fire young keeper walking out, not having his mind totally on the kid stood next to him.

Thankfully JT has a summer of being round professional coaches with England. If he goes, both parties will have done well and we can watch him go on to realise his potential and become Englands #1 soon enough.

[scamander]

Both perspectives about Trafford can be true, namely that he isn't ready yet and this was made worse by a porous defence in front of him.

Also that he has potential, hence the interest in him.

[boatshed bill]

Think you can forgive an under fire young keeper walking out, not having his mind totally on the kid stood next to him.

I agree with this, more serious things to concentrate on.
Also, I wonder if the younger players may find the holding hands bit a tad awkward. It's different for the older players who have kids and understand what this means to a young fan.

[Gordaleman]

Obviously, the Trafford thing has been exhausted over and over again, but it still completely baffles me how anybody sees anything at all in this lad. He's simply not got the basics in my opinion, and if he hasn't got that now you can't coach it at this stage. Every aspect of his game is just poor imo. Pope is literally light year's ahead of him. Yes, there's an age gap, but I just don't see Trafford ever getting anywhere near pope.

Trafford should go back to farming, or wasn't he any good at that either?

[mdd2]

Trafford should go back to farming, or wasn't he any good at that either?

Surely you don't want him to plough a lone furrow, even though there were plenty of banana skins in his games.

[Darnhill Claret]

David Jones, Brian Jensen, Robbie Brady, are three that come immediately to mind.

[Darnhill Claret]

Even Paul Cook had his share of critics who just wouldn't let it go.

[Darnhill Claret]

It's not the players, because all players make errors and have bad games, it's the critics who decide they have to complain continously until said player is dropped, but choose to get personal about it. The blame culture isn't a good look when you are talking about players you should be supporting. I do notice that some of the fans who are, shall we say, more heavily critical, often have a weird response when those players are defended. They often accuse fellow fans of attacking their own fans, which I always find ironic. If they are so offended, why not take Trafford's feelings into consideration. I don't think it's any coincidence that as the criticism built his form dropped, and it hadn't started that well had it?
I support all players and staff at my club, because I want the best for my club, but quite happy to criticise the same people when they are no longer at Burnley.
I have always been a fan, for example of Muric, but I can't see the point of battering Trafford to prove that point. The lad always tried his best, he just wasn't given the opportunity to settle into the club over a period of time before being considered as a first team player. He should have been given a similar basic grounding at the club, as Nick Pope was given. The Trafford/Muric situation was 100% a VK failure as was his reluctance to change it earlier. The only defence VK might now give is that we can now more than recoup our money on Trafford, due to now being a Prem League keeper due to the experience gained. But in getting to that point we lost our Premier League place.

[Holtyclaret]

Missing the point.

It's more of a response to posters who have this ever so smug tone about Trafford being in the England squad and linked with big clubs. Using these examples as ammo to aim at people people who think he's been bobbins all season. Bit of a "told you so" attitude which is a bit boring tbh.

Let's get some decent cash for him and move on.

Just for the record, I think Trafford MAY be a decent keeper in the future. Maybe in 5 years or so. But we are not in a position to be paying for his development, as last season has proved.

You’ve missed the whole point (of signing him in the first place). It’s exactly our desired position.

He has been bought for us to nurture his development over the coming years and then to sell at a grand profit, or city’s buyback valuation.

[boyyanno]

You’ve missed the whole point (of signing him in the first place). It’s exactly our desired position.

He has been bought for us to nurture his development over the coming years and then to sell at a grand profit, or city’s buyback valuation.

That's the narrative but it's been proven to be untrue- and it's easy to demonstrate: We started him for 70 percent for our games this season. So he was also signed as Number 1- Not just as some long term potential profit.

[Holtyclaret]

That's the narrative but it's been proven to be untrue- and it's easy to demonstrate: We started him for 70 percent for our games this season. So he was also signed as Number 1- Not just as some long term potential profit.

Getting experience in the PL would be all part of his development, he now knows the levels he needs to reach and the areas of his game that need working on.

But Trafford was obviously bought for us to profit from once he gets closer to his perceived ceiling and at his age he has years with us ahead of him………. If the new manager buys into that and also stands by him as our number one keeper, if not getting our money back would be next best option.

[boyyanno]

Getting experience in the PL would be all part of his development, he now knows the levels he needs to reach and the areas of his game that need working on.

But Trafford was obviously bought for us to profit from once he gets closer to his perceived ceiling and at his age he has years with us ahead of him………. If the new manager buys into that and also stands by him as our number one keeper, if not getting our money back would be next best option.

In which case Ric C hasn't missed the point at all- as he's said he may come good in the future- but as he's also said we are not in the position to pay for his development.

That's exactly the scenario you have described- signed someone and played them purely to develop and profit from them at the expense of a better goalkeeper and (based on the games Muric played) possible Premier League survival.

[Holtyclaret]

In which case Ric C hasn't missed the point at all- as he's said he may come good in the future- but as he's also said we are not in the position to pay for his development.

That's exactly the scenario you have described- signed someone and played them purely to develop and profit from them at the expense of a better goalkeeper and (based on the games Muric played) possible Premier League survival.

But we are in a position to pay for his development?

It’s what we signed up for when we signed him

[Raconteur]

But we are in a position to pay for his development?

It’s what we signed up for when we signed him

Totally agree.

If we weren't in the position to pay for his development that would be true for every player we sign.
Are we just going to sign established players from now on and never try to develop a player

[Im_not_Robbie_Blake]

We have Muric and BPF - did okay with those two last time we were in the Championship!

[boyyanno]

But we are in a position to pay for his development?

It’s what we signed up for when we signed him

But we arent- we got relegated as a result.

Having the funds to buy someone doesn't mean its in the best interests of the club. If it was why don't we spend every penny we have on new players, sack off any results and just keep selling players instead? We've literally shown it didn't work.

[Holtyclaret]

But we arent- we got relegated as a result.

Having the funds to buy someone doesn't mean its in the best interests of the club. If it was why don't we spend every penny we have on new players, sack off any results and just keep selling players instead? We've literally shown it didn't work.

Oh ok, you’re not talking of the financial cost of player development but more the intangible ‘what if’ costs of playing inexperienced players in order to give them experience.

Year in championship will do his development no end of good. It’ll be interesting to see the new managers take on the keeper scenario.

[blatherwickstattoos]

Yet another baffling transfer last summer this one. A player we didn’t really need but yet with his inclusion surely caused disruption in the dressing room.

Off load for whatever we can make on him. Muric is a far far better keeper

[Darthlaw]

Year in championship will do his development no end of good. It’ll be interesting to see the new managers take on the keeper scenario.

If you’re talking for Burnley, that’s not going to happen. A sizeable amount of fans will be waiting to jump on any error or misplaced pass.

His career here is done, so if we can break even or better yet make a profit it’s for the best we cash in.

[boatshed bill]

Yet another baffling transfer last summer this one. A player we didn’t really need but yet with his inclusion surely caused disruption in the dressing room.

Off load for whatever we can make on him. Muric is a far far better keeper

I disagree. We needed 2 goalkeepers for the PL, we had one and i'm not convinced about him at that level either.

[blatherwickstattoos]

I disagree. We needed 2 goalkeepers for the PL, we had one and i'm not convinced about him at that level either.

I understand that 2 keepers are needed but surely peacock Farrell would have been happy sitting on the bench. To cast muric off from the very first game was VK’s first huge mistake last season

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

Another get out of jail card if so.

Put the £20m into centre midfield where it should have gone in the first place.

[boatshed bill]

I understand that 2 keepers are needed but surely peacock Farrell would have been happy sitting on the bench. To cast muric off from the very first game was VK’s first huge mistake last season

Peacock-Farrell will never play PL football again, so not an adequate 2nd choice.

[Holtyclaret]

If you’re talking for Burnley, that’s not going to happen. A sizeable amount of fans will be waiting to jump on any error or misplaced pass.

His career here is done, so if we can break even or better yet make a profit it’s for the best we cash in.

Don’t tell me, are they the same fans that turn a blind eye to murics clangers.

I like both keepers but both are far from finished article. Down to new manager who is first or second choice next season or sold or retained. I’ll support either.

[NL Claret]

Another get out of jail card if so.

Put the £20m into centre midfield where it should have gone in the first place.

And a CF who will get you 10 goals a season in the PL. Going into a PL season with Foster and Jay Rod as back up was a big risk. Think eventually the CH pairing was just about ok , last summer’s priorities should have been an experienced CH , in the Craig Dawson mode, a physical CM and CF. Spending so much on an inexperienced GK was crazy, perhaps one of the early signs that VK’s database and vision had gone on the blink.

£20m? Trafford’s fee has risen again

[blatherwickstattoos]

Peacock-Farrell will never play PL football again, so not an adequate 2nd choice.

I agree peacock Farrell isn’t the best but muric is too good to be sat on the bench for a side in the bottom 3 imo. As said above the alleged 19 million spent on Trafford should have been used elsewhere in the squad. Same with tresor. No need to sign him at all.

[boatshed bill]

I agree peacock Farrell isn’t the best but muric is too good to be sat on the bench for a side in the bottom 3 imo. As said above the alleged 19 million spent on Trafford should have been used elsewhere in the squad. Same with tresor. No need to sign him at all.

Are either Muric or Trafford too good to be sat on the bench for a bottom 3 side?
Or are we a bottom 3 side because of their dubious abilities at PL level?

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

And a CF who will get you 10 goals a season in the PL. Going into a PL season with Foster and Jay Rod as back up was a big risk. Think eventually the CH pairing was just about ok , last summer’s priorities should have been an experienced CH , in the Craig Dawson mode, a physical CM and CF. Spending so much on an inexperienced GK was crazy, perhaps one of the early signs that VK’s database and vision had gone on the blink.

£20m? Trafford’s fee has risen again

No I was just suggesting what Chelsea have allegedly offered for him. Anything over £19m should be accepted it just hasn’t worked out for him unfortunately.

Agree with the rest of your post

I think signing Jay rod again is a mistake , must be on really big wages and not much output the last few years. Only thing I can remember him doing is holding his head constantly after missing sitters.

[NL Claret]

Are either Muric or Trafford too good to be sat on the bench for a bottom 3 side?
Or are we a bottom 3 side because of their dubious abilities at PL level?

I’d agree with the dubious abilities however would also add that the 10 players selected to play in front of both of them were not good enough for the PL , making their task more difficult. Tactics and set up for defending corners also come into question. The GK debate , over done, has deflected from the real problems that the team had.

[boatshed bill]

I’d agree with the dubious abilities however would also add that the 10 players selected to play in front of both of them were not good enough for the PL , making their task more difficult. Tactics and set up for defending corners also come into question. The GK debate , over done, has deflected from the real problems that the team had.

I almost totally agree.

[blatherwickstattoos]

I’d agree with the dubious abilities however would also add that the 10 players selected to play in front of both of them were not good enough for the PL , making their task more difficult. Tactics and set up for defending corners also come into question. The GK debate , over done, has deflected from the real problems that the team had.

I agree with what you’re saying. But bar the one slip up against Brighton , Muric was our MOM most weeks he played .

[NL Claret]

I agree with what you’re saying. But bar the one slip up against Brighton , Muric was our MOM most weeks he played .

Bit of a slip up v Everton (A) too let’s not forget. I’d rather outfield players get MOM than GKs.

[blatherwickstattoos]

Bit of a slip up v Everton (A) too let’s not forget. I’d rather outfield players get MOM than GKs.

Jeez I think I mentally blocked that one out . Hopefully we get a manager In next who doesn’t want to fanny about passing between defenders and keepers to allow these to happen again.

[boatshed bill]

Muric could have been influential in keeping us up, but crucial errors can't be ignored: Everton, Brighton and Spurs... all game changing errors.
This is why he's unlikely to get another PL club.

[ClaretPete001]

Muric could have been influential in keeping us up, but crucial errors can't be ignored: Everton, Brighton and Spurs... all game changing errors.
This is why he's unlikely to get another PL club.

Indeed, saying that Spurs signed Joe Hart after unconvincing stints at a number of clubs.

[CoolClaret]

Muric could have been influential in keeping us up, but crucial errors can't be ignored: Everton, Brighton and Spurs... all game changing errors.
This is why he's unlikely to get another PL club.

(Spurs wasn't his error)

Them errors for the gazillionth time is because of the ridiculous playstyle employed last year. Why doesn't Berge get criticised for similar?

Get a manager that won't have his players force situations with training ground routines up and down the pitch and he'll be superb.

[Claretitus]

The bottom line here is that Muric is a better keeper. Get JT sold off sooner the better, and if it’s not BPF as no 2, so be it. But then get someone else in who is, and move on. We may even unearth another nugget like Pope, who knows. But Muric is no 1. By a country mile.

[HunterST_BFC]

I rated and still rate BPF.
Hope we keep Muric.

I'd have BPF above Trafford (especially in the Champ) as he takes control and catches / clears crosses etc.
Trafford gets pinned every set piece.

We won't make money on Trafford (City slice etc) but neither will he better than the two above in the Champ.
Sell (No Pun intended but) - just cut our loses

[Ric_C]

Linked with Bayern this morning. Good old Vinnie

[NewClaret]

I rated and still rate BPF.
Hope we keep Muric.

I'd have BPF above Trafford (especially in the Champ) as he takes control and catches / clears crosses etc.
Trafford gets pinned every set piece.

We won't make money on Trafford (City slice etc) but neither will he better than the two above in the Champ.
Sell (No Pun intended but) - just cut our loses

I also rate BPF. Feel he’s a very capable keeper.

On Trafford, I would be amazed if we sell him if it’s not for a decent profit. The club is in no rush, they have one of the, if not the, most talented young English goalkeepers under contract for 3 more years. The price is only going to go up as he further develops.

I also don’t think a sale will have to be as high as some are saying to make a profit. Nobody knows what we’ve paid but going with the widrly reported £14m rising to £19m, and it being likely we won’t have paid any add-ons after last season - £20m would be £6m profit, minus the 20% sell on clause. We’ll only pay that on profit, not the total fee.

If we get a bidding war we might do better. Trouble is with Bayern, Kompany will know our financial situation very clearly and likely what we’d accept too.

[CrosspoolClarets]

I’m an outlier in this in thinking Trafford could be a star for us next season. His shot stopping could make teams feel they could never score, his high claims won’t be as exposed in a shorter league (I checked) and one when set piece coaching isn’t as complex. His distribution won’t be as vital under a new manager.

So I would keep him unless the bid is £25m. The value will only go up.

I don’t trust the Kompany links either. The head coach has little say on transfers at Bayern. In fact, Vinny will have little say on anything. He’ll need permission just to go to the bathroom.

[boatshed bill]

(Spurs wasn't his error)

Them errors for the gazillionth time is because of the ridiculous playstyle employed last year. Why doesn't Berge get criticised for similar?

Get a manager that won't have his players force situations with training ground routines up and down the pitch and he'll be superb.

Sorry, Cool, but the Spurs goal is very much a goalkeeping error.
I'm not going into the tactical side of things, but the errors are there.
For me all 3 goalkeepers are good enough for the Championship, Trafford may end up higher but that's not a given.
I'd sell all 3, get a couple of new ones in, start afresh with our new GK coach... simple as that